Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.
Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press in an email late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.
Hawaii which has vouched for Obama's birth in the state several times as early as October 2008 didn't bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett he had to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.
Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed, so it gave Bennett's office the verification.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/05/22/national/a214050D02.DTL
Permanut
(5,705 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)You can't trust Hawaii! It's practically foreign anyway! It's not even physically connected to the US, dammitt!
treestar
(82,383 posts)spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I just can't believe this stuff.
lookingfortruth
(263 posts)spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I keep telling Mr. pig I need a Nerf brick to bang against my head.
The way things are going, I may just use a basic construction brick and render myself unconscious.
These people cannot be reasoned with and have no bounds.
Sigh.
christx30
(6,241 posts)more than 12 times with a brick. Might damage your intellect enough to vote for Romney.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)spiderpig
(10,419 posts)George was running for the presidency back in the Jurassic period.
George was born to American parents in the "Mormon colony" in Mexico. I don't recall anyone ever challenging George's citizenship when he was a candidate in 1968.
Mitten's great-grandfather had fled to Mexico with 12 wives, if I recall correctly.
You can't make this stuff up!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)spiderpig
(10,419 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)That it was discussed, but the teacher said George Romney was born overseas to American Parents and still made him a Natural Born American.
Who is a Naturally born American has been a problem ever since William Jennings Byran's daughter went to England before WWI, and married an Englishmen. He died in 1928, she ran for Congress in 1928 after his death.
After the war, she returned to Florida, started the procedure to become a naturalized American Citizen and ran for Congress. Under English Common Law a Woman lost her original citizenship and assumed the Citizenship of her Husband upon Marriage, thus why she started the procedure to become Naturalized, even through she had been born in the US to US Born Citizens.
Anyway, she ran for Congress and won. She ran in a then Solidly Democratic Congressional Seat. The GOP controlled the House and it is the House the decided who can sit in the House. Under the US Constitution a naturalized citizen can only be elected to the House after he has been a citizen for Seven years. She had NOT been a Naturalized Citizen for Seven years when she was elected.
Thus you had a situation where a GOP controlled House, had to rule that
1, the daughter of a three time Democratic Presidential Candidate,
2. who had been born in the US, to two US Natural Citizens
and worse
3. knowing all it would mean is another Democrat would take the seat,
was NOT a Natural US Citizen.
The GOP gave up and seated her, ruling an American Woman can NOT lose her Citizenship do to marriage.
Congress then passed the present law as to who is a Natural Citizen, and that includes anyone born to an American Parent, even if born overseas and even if born out of wedlock (i.e. illegitimate, even if the Citizen was male and the mother of the Child was NOT a Citizen).
Thus has been resolved over 80 years ago, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he is a Natural Born Citizen by US law. The same rationale was used by George Romney, that fact that one of his parents was a Natural born citizen made him a natural born citizen.
More on Ruth Bryan Owen, the daughter of William Jennings Bryan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bryan_Owen
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Moneysexual--he only gets off on rubbing hundred dollar bills on himself.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Outwardly, he's handsome.
Period.
To steal from Gertrude Stein "There's no there there".
I can't wait for the next inanity to pop from him so I can revel in disbelief.
If he steals the next election, I told my family I'm kayaking to Australia with Mr. pig and our pets.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Romney either has no soul or has it safely locked up in a trunk like a gimp.
stopbush
(24,398 posts)caseymoz
(5,763 posts). . . not that phony piece of paper the rest of us have been using without ever knowing all our passports, social security cards and drivers licenses are invalid?
Birthers should have their credentials, such as their drivers' licences revoked, and should have to re-apply for them using the type of "long form" birth certificate they've demanded from Obama. And not a copy. The original. It shouldn't be automatic, either. The DOB should be checked against newspaper announcements. Dr and hospital names should be checked. The fonts on the form should be scrutinized to see if they had actually been developed.
Let's see if those geniuses could even prove they exist by the standards they demanded.
For the record, though, I'm glad Arizona has been forced to let Sheriff Arpaio twist in the wind.
Why doesn't somebody demand the long-form to his birth certificate?
Thank you! Well said.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)...given that his father was born in Mexico.
And I'm still waiting to see what kind of incredible cognitive dissonance the '14th-ers' come up with to explain why Obama is not qualified to be President because his father was born in Kenya, but Mitt IS despite his father being born in Mexico. In fact, where were all those people when George Romney himself was running for Prez.?
jmowreader
(50,589 posts)It would be useless to demand Arpaio's long form BC because, as it is written in Martian, no one could read the damn thing.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)1. Obama is a Democrat, and Wisch is also a member of the 'Democrat' party. Coincidence? I think not.
2. I heard that Wisch was raised by Kenyans.
3. Isn't it just TOO convenient that Andrew Breitbart died of 'natural' causes just a month before the Arizona request was made?
4. Isn't it ALSO too convenient that Joe Arpaio was indicted at the same time?
5. Did Wisch even CONSULT with Alex Jones before sending Bennett an answer? I doubt it.
Where can I send money to Ron Paul's Campaign!?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)pprd
From The Ashes
(2,632 posts)...that was actually sarcasm.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)but u never know around this place
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)on any other website it would be alright to assume it's not sarcasm. Definitely a low point in modern American history.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Or maybe just a case of very bad spelling skills.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Last edited Wed May 23, 2012, 12:53 PM - Edit history (1)
The never-ending search for evidence that some white people will ever accept that a successful black man isn't a criminal or fraud.
And racism has nothing to do with it.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)He is doing nothing more than seeking vengeance because the Feds are on his ass for profiling and racism.
Arizona has been taken over by big time bigots.
wial
(437 posts)that with every breath he takes, Obama breathes about 20 atoms of the air Hitler breathed.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)And Hitler almost certainly used the word "Forward" at some point in his life.
Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)like Nazis will hope by changing the Weimar Republic.
Damn black nazi. Don't you know how many black nazis there were in the Party!?!?!
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Ergo, Libertarians are Nazi Communists.
randome
(34,845 posts)When he was making fun of Glen Back on The Daily Show. I happen to have that clip. It was the 5-12-10 show. Funny as hell!
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)That means 13 800 MORE people want Bennett to investigate whether Romney is a unicorn than want him to investigate whether Obama was born in Hawaii. If he had no choice but to investigate when 1200 people emailed about Obama, I wonder what he'll do now?
(As if Arizona hasn't been embarrassed enough. Don't forget, it was Arizona State University that invited Obama to talk at their convocation ceremony, but told him to go fuck himself if he expected to get an honorary degree out of it.)
former9thward
(32,136 posts)MountainMama
(237 posts)From "USA Today"
"In Tempe, Ariz., meanwhile, Arizona State University officials have created what one professor calls a public relations mess with conflicting explanations about why Obama will not receive an honorary degree.
The school's spokeswoman, Sharon Keeler, initially said Obama who earned his own Harvard Law School degree in 1991 hadn't established enough of a "body of work" yet to warrant a degree.
ASU President Michael Crow says that's not the case. He says the school has had a policy since 2003 not to give honorary degrees to donors and sitting politicians, but the school is thrilled to have Obama deliver the commencement address at Sun Devil Stadium. To honor the president, Crow says, the school has named a scholarship program after him. "His election is a fantastic historical turning point," he says.
The flap about the degree was "a public relations blunder," says ASU political science professor Marilyn Dantico. "Everyone is thrilled that Barack Obama is coming to Arizona State."
Crow covered his butt with the "policy" thing. They had no intention of honoring him and everyone was NOT "thrilled" that he was coming. I live here and I was embarrassed. Of course, I've had ample opportunity to be embarrassed since moving here. I hate it here.
former9thward
(32,136 posts)I went to ASU and they have always had (and still have) a policy of not giving honorary degrees to people in politics. The school's PR person may have goofed her explanation up but that does not change what the policy had been. It was a tempest in a teapot made by folks who were looking for way to be offended or in your case "embarrassed". President Obama certainly was not offended or embarrassed.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)"I went to ASU and they have always had (and still have) a policy of not giving honorary degrees to people in politics. "
ASU has given honorary degrees to George Romney (1962), Barry Goldwater (1961), Sandra Day O'Connor (1984), and Bob Stump (R-AZ; 2002) while they were all active, sitting politicians. Stump was even given the degree while ASU President Michael Crow was presiding, so the excuse that it was Crow's policy not to give degrees to sitting politicians doesn't wash. They've even given an honorary degree to RAUL CASTRO.
It was a stupid decision that embarrassed ASU and Arizona made by people who should have known better. It wasn't your decision, and you're not responsible for defending it. ASU may be a great university, but that decision was an embarrassment for them and the state.
former9thward
(32,136 posts)They had the policy when I went to school, I can't speak for the 60s. O'Connor was not "an active sitting politician" in 1984. She was a Justice of the Supreme Court. As your post below indicates the choice of Stump was made before Crow took over and Stump was retiring from office. This policy did not bother Obama why does it bother you? Oh I know looking for something to be outraged about.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)donors or sitting politicians."
Crow had to carefully parse his words on that one, given that he has been President of ASU since 2002 and has given two honorary degrees to politicians. Bob Stump, a sitting Arizona Congressman was given an honorary degree in 2002 five months after Crow had assumed office, and he apparently raised no objection. Kim Campbell, who was the Prime Minister of Canada for five months, but was defeated in the 1993 election was given an honorary degree in 2005, but was no longer sitting.
ASU released a statement that Bob Stump doesn't count because he was 'selected' before Crow assumed office, but when TPM asked if he'd raised an objection to a sitting politician getting a degree they received no answer. Maybe it would have made more sense for him to say "the school has had a policy since 2009 not to give honorary degrees to donors or sitting politicians."
sakabatou
(42,202 posts)Look what you did, you made Twilight cry!
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)The nut cases in Arizona love to waste taxpayer money and then impose that cost also on other states.
BootinUp
(47,211 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,379 posts)All good Arizonans, Libertarians, and True Americans should just reject this as one more attempt to fool us with fake documents.
I don't think this will end the birthers' bias.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)The Republic | azcentral.com
Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett said Tuesday night that he has received information from Hawaii that proves President Obama's American birth and satisfies Arizona's requirements for having the president on the upcoming election ballot ...
A Hawaii official sent Bennett's office verification of birth for President Obama on Tuesday, according to both Bennett and Hawaii officials.
Bennett said the issue is now resolved from his point of view. He has cancelled a planned Wednesday news conference where he was expected to discuss the issue.
"I'm happy that we got what we asked for and that's what I was expecting all along," Bennett said Tuesday night ...
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2012/05/22/20120522obama-birth-hawaii-arizona-verification.html
With this distraction behind him, Bennett can now return to his more pressing duties as co-chair of the Romney campaign in Arizona
Meiko
(1,076 posts)Will knock it off and work on something more constructive, like counting pink underwear...moron.
harun
(11,348 posts)struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)By Tim Gaynor
PHOENIX | Wed May 23, 2012 12:57pm EDT
(Reuters) - ... Bennett received verification on Tuesday of Obama's birth from officials in Hawaii in lieu of a certified birth certificate, Bennett's spokesman Matthew Roberts said.
"We never requested a birth certificate. What we requested was a verification from Hawaii that the information on the president's birth certificate was accurate," Roberts told Reuters.
"As far as we are concerned, the matter is closed," he added ...
In March an Arizona sheriff declared Obama's birth certificate a forgery ... at the request of conservative Tea Party activists in the Phoenix valley ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/23/us-usa-arizona-birther-idUSBRE84M13G20120523
goclark
(30,404 posts)Said they have final "verification" that he was not born here.
What they need to locate is the Birth Records for the ROMO family ( son and dad) in Mexico.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)bikebloke
(5,260 posts)Hawaii was attached to Kenya when Obama was born there. It since broke off and drifted to its present location.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Ask for proof of statehood?
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)George Romney is a Mormon. Both are Rethuglicans. Connect the dots.