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Omaha Steve

(99,580 posts)
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:13 AM Sep 2015

Obama gets Iran deal win as Senate Dems amass enough votes (UPDATED)

Last edited Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: AP-Excite

By ERICA WERNER

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama secured a landmark foreign policy victory Wednesday as Senate Democrats amassed enough votes to ensure the Iran nuclear deal survives in Congress despite ferocious opposition from Republicans and the government of Israel.

Democratic Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland became the crucial 34th vote in favor of the agreement.

"No deal is perfect, especially one negotiated with the Iranian regime," Mikulski said in a statement. She called the accord "the best option available to block Iran from having a nuclear bomb. For these reasons, I will vote in favor of this deal."

The backing from Mikulski, who is retiring next year, gives supporters the margin they need to uphold an Obama veto of a congressional resolution of disapproval if Republicans pass such a measure later this month.

FULL story at link.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20150902/us--congress-iran-nuclear-546f1c3061.html



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Obama gets Iran deal win as Senate Dems amass enough votes (UPDATED) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Sep 2015 OP
Suck on that, Schumer. Drunken Irishman Sep 2015 #1
Totally agree. And a big up yours to the following individuals.... 47of74 Sep 2015 #37
Thank you for your public service 47 of 74. Republicans have needed this form for a long time. Sunlei Sep 2015 #61
Who came up with that form? Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #79
This!^^^^^^10000! 2banon Sep 2015 #49
I suspect Schumer announced his opposition knowing full well it would survive. brooklynite Sep 2015 #55
AMEN to that! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #56
And Menendez orange you glad Sep 2015 #59
With you on that rpannier Sep 2015 #80
Definitely! Now, send a ham to both Schumer and Menendez. It serves two purposes.... 4lbs Sep 2015 #81
Lame Duck = Bad Ass Botany Sep 2015 #2
Love this picture! Thanks! eom Duval Sep 2015 #16
I thought he was called... fadedrose Sep 2015 #33
Great news.....she's going out with a bang!!! George II Sep 2015 #3
Another source... lamp_shade Sep 2015 #4
President Obama IS awesome! Please ignore all mass media spin and GOP heads exploding to come to the contrary! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #5
^ ^ like ^ ^ lamp_shade Sep 2015 #6
Who is gonna tell Lindsey Graham the news? Botany Sep 2015 #9
That deserves it's own thread! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #11
The "Southern Bell" was having a hissy fit in NYC yesterday Botany Sep 2015 #21
Priceless...."losing it" on a regular basis is not a good trait in a politician in my judgment. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #24
"Now that Obama reversed the economic collapse, passed Obamacare, killed bin Laden & got the.. Cha Sep 2015 #67
One senator protesting at another senator's office -- not cool LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2015 #47
She should send him a box and a note davidpdx Sep 2015 #89
^^Fabulous^^ zentrum Sep 2015 #22
Schumer and Graham can go cry in each other's arms with their mindless fear mongering.. n/t 2banon Sep 2015 #53
Corporate media allowing wing nuts to spout "end days" Iliyah Sep 2015 #23
Without doom and gloom pervading the electorate how will they ever vote for a fascist strongman?? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #30
Well Done, Fred! Thank you! Cha Sep 2015 #65
Good mainstreetonce Sep 2015 #7
Party time! RedSpartan Sep 2015 #8
Is that The Wiggles? AllyCat Sep 2015 #27
I think it's from Zoolander Android3.14 Sep 2015 #51
Ok, now ^that^ is pretty funny. PotatoChip Sep 2015 #32
Was just over at Yahoo forums. joshdawg Sep 2015 #10
At Yahoo, that whining and heads exploding and complaining would be "the usual". Thanks for the sacrifice! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #13
Isn't Yahoo just awful. SoapBox Sep 2015 #17
Stopped going there a couple of years ago rpannier Sep 2015 #78
That is great, but I will hold off celebrating until the vote officially happens. still_one Sep 2015 #12
Then you will be missing one helluva party!! Please stay! Americans do not celebrate near enough. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #14
I don't trust the republicans and what they will try to do. They have been discussing a "plan B", still_one Sep 2015 #18
Fantasy and pandering to the base in a Presidential election year, meet Mr. Veto Pen and Mr. Filibuster. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #20
Even Kerry isn't taking a "victory lap". The administration realize that if they can get a still_one Sep 2015 #36
That is true, to an extent. But the Plan C for the GOP will be a huge whine about no up and down vote.... Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #38
No question the republicans will spew out their garbage, but if we can get the deal approved without still_one Sep 2015 #46
Just heard Alan Grayson on MSNBC Duval Sep 2015 #15
The republicans also have a "Plan B" which concerns me, where they will try to reauthorize the still_one Sep 2015 #19
Just for show... they cant overide a veto. DCBob Sep 2015 #29
It is not a filibuster and it does not matter one wit....remember the agreement passed by Congress of 3 months ago? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #34
A Republican filibuster?? That makes no sense karynnj Sep 2015 #48
Bravo & thanks from a grateful world, Senator Barbara Mikulski! Divernan Sep 2015 #25
Kind of disappointing all Senate Democrats NewJeffCT Sep 2015 #26
This is a war and peace issue, so they should take their time and vote their conscience. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #40
+1 ozone_man Sep 2015 #72
My guess is, they're holding out for pork deals. eom BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #41
My Senator! DCBob Sep 2015 #28
Good news, Steve fadedrose Sep 2015 #31
Good news, but I have a feeling this isn't completely over. Renew Deal Sep 2015 #35
It is as completely over as Obamacare was completely over but the GOP had 59 pandering votes to Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #39
Our Senate is a fucking worldwide embarassment maxsolomon Sep 2015 #42
K&R BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #43
Great News! raindaddy Sep 2015 #44
Oh God, that's a relief! ananda Sep 2015 #45
Good. we need to hope that Iran does not cheat NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #50
Why? It isn't like they can use them, things finish rather quickly for them if they do. harun Sep 2015 #70
You are assuming they are rational. SnakeEyes Sep 2015 #82
Iran hasn't started a war with anyone in hundreds of years. I'd call that rationale. A certain harun Sep 2015 #86
Sure you can call their history rational SnakeEyes Sep 2015 #88
It's just politics. Judge by actions, not what they are saying. harun Sep 2015 #90
Woo Hoo - PEACE at last laserhaas Sep 2015 #52
Thank you so much for posting this! BlueMTexpat Sep 2015 #54
I wrote to Sen. Mikulski also chuckie29 Sep 2015 #74
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2015 #57
Sanity prevails. Martin Eden Sep 2015 #58
Celebrate Sanity! sorechasm Sep 2015 #73
I think Mikulski is correct - TBF Sep 2015 #60
My smile for the day -- actually a big grin for the big win Hekate Sep 2015 #62
She's my senator! NastyRiffraff Sep 2015 #63
Thank you, President Obama, SOS Kerry, VP Biden, and all the Dems who joined in! Cha Sep 2015 #64
Poor Bibi Dopers_Greed Sep 2015 #66
K & R historylovr Sep 2015 #68
Thank goodness! Great news. ! eom Karma13612 Sep 2015 #69
Great news! I look forward to a veto by Obama. sueh Sep 2015 #71
Thank you Omaha Steve! BeanMusical Sep 2015 #75
I love my President underthematrix Sep 2015 #76
How many read, "No deal is perfect" and thought, "That's what Republicans WANT is no deal at all.".. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #77
But Obama is a puppet of the MIC. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #83
HE'LL YEA THIS IS A HUGE VICTORY FOR THE PRESIDENT & THE WORLD! :-) Corey_Baker08 Sep 2015 #84
We Must Not Forget Secretary Kerry Deserbe a Alot Of Credit Corey_Baker08 Sep 2015 #85
DINO's against this should be ashamed, and primaried. harun Sep 2015 #87
 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
37. Totally agree. And a big up yours to the following individuals....
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:31 AM
Sep 2015

Tom Cotton (R-Traitor)
Chuck Schumer ("D"-Netanyahu)
Joe Liebermann (?-Douche)


4lbs

(6,855 posts)
81. Definitely! Now, send a ham to both Schumer and Menendez. It serves two purposes....
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:18 PM
Sep 2015

1.) It will show them how much of a pig's ass they are on this issue.

2.) It is guaranteed to be one thing that AIPAC *WON'T* want from them.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
33. I thought he was called...
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

the "untethered" President Badass....

I secretly believe he is living the part of Michael Rennie in the Day the Earth Stood Still. With this man, absolutely nothing would surprise me...

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. President Obama IS awesome! Please ignore all mass media spin and GOP heads exploding to come to the contrary!
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:24 AM
Sep 2015

That stunned silence you hear is a mass media scrambling to the propaganda war rooms to put a war-loving and Bibi-consoling spin.

No way the propaganda masters and propaganda warriors in ther posh boardrooms high above the rubble and rabble far below in Rockefeller Square had a Plan B (for Bomb) when Team Obama clinches the victory before the fourth quarter even started!

Please ignore the weapons of mass distraction when deployed, they are all unarmed.

Landmark and Legacy Victory.

Many more to come in in the next 17 months of Obama's awesome reign over the American Christian caliphate.

.................

I will stay on this thread - not the many others to be posted - until you update.

Make this a No Spin Zone!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
24. Priceless...."losing it" on a regular basis is not a good trait in a politician in my judgment.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:08 AM
Sep 2015

Kerry now on CNN Live with REAL Breaking News...total opposite of 'breaking' news on a Trump utterance....now being the consummate diplomat, child'splaining in a weary way to the Usual Idiots lying about the deal,.......while surely having a Great Happy Happy Joy Joy inside..."I will dispel some of the misinformation that has been circulating in Congress".

Go get me, sir.

And congratulations, sincerely.

Time to celebrate, America, and, to repeat, fuck the usual gloom and doomers and the mass media that refuses to let Americans celebrate anything.

Cha

(297,129 posts)
67. "Now that Obama reversed the economic collapse, passed Obamacare, killed bin Laden & got the..
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 06:27 PM
Sep 2015
David Corn
✔ ?@DavidCornDC
Now that Obama reversed the economic collapse, passed Obamacare, killed bin Laden & got the #IranDeal I wonder what the next failure will be
4:46 AM - 2 Sep 2015 · Washington, DC, United States
588 588 Retweets 506 506 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/02/irandeal-veto-proof/#comments


47. One senator protesting at another senator's office -- not cool
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:15 PM
Sep 2015

I've never heard of that happening before. Usually such protests take place on the floor of the Senate. Standing in front of Senator Gillibrand's New York City office throwing a tantrum is -- to use a Southern term -- just plain tacky.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
89. She should send him a box and a note
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 04:55 AM
Sep 2015

In the box put one little sausage, on the note put: "if you ever do that again I'll make sure you regret it"

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
23. Corporate media allowing wing nuts to spout "end days"
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:07 AM
Sep 2015

Cruz, Graham, Hukster, Trump, Bushies and their cronies and the rest of the chorus of doom and gloom will be out in full force with all the coverage the media will give them.

"Give peace a chance" - Pres O.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. Without doom and gloom pervading the electorate how will they ever vote for a fascist strongman??
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:16 AM
Sep 2015

Celebration of the achievements of President Obama must be like kryptonite to the silly doom and gloomers and the sky is falling screamers that inhabit the media and the GOP.

I say....bring in the kryptonite! If not now, when?

What a bunch of downers they all are, am I right?

joshdawg

(2,647 posts)
10. Was just over at Yahoo forums.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:41 AM
Sep 2015

Wow! All of the whining and crying and threatening going on over there makes me proud of our President more than ever.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. At Yahoo, that whining and heads exploding and complaining would be "the usual". Thanks for the sacrifice!
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:44 AM
Sep 2015

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
78. Stopped going there a couple of years ago
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 12:44 AM
Sep 2015

I can find that information from sources that attract less crazy people

still_one

(92,126 posts)
18. I don't trust the republicans and what they will try to do. They have been discussing a "plan B",
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:52 AM
Sep 2015

for some time, with the hopes to mess things up:

"Opponents of the Iran deal aren’t expecting the Congressional vote next month to go their way, but they are already planning for the day after their loss. Republicans in Congress are preparing several bills to sanction Iran. Even if those never reach a vote, the proposals could be problematic for Democrats well into 2016."

...

In the Senate, Kirk is now working with Marco Rubio to explore new legislation, several Senate aides said. Menendez is working separately with Lindsey Graham. Kirk and Menendez also have a bill to reauthorize the Iran Sanctions Act, set to expire at the end of 2016, for 10 more years.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-25/republicans-plan-iran-sanctions-after-vote-on-nuclear-deal

So while what is happening is good, it is far from over



Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. Fantasy and pandering to the base in a Presidential election year, meet Mr. Veto Pen and Mr. Filibuster.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

still_one

(92,126 posts)
36. Even Kerry isn't taking a "victory lap". The administration realize that if they can get a
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015

few more votes, the veto will NOT even be necessary, which is an even more important statement

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
38. That is true, to an extent. But the Plan C for the GOP will be a huge whine about no up and down vote....
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:33 AM
Sep 2015

even when they agreed to no such vote just 3 months ago!

Whatever garbage oozes out of the pieholes of any GOP politician the mass media will declare it apple pie!

still_one

(92,126 posts)
46. No question the republicans will spew out their garbage, but if we can get the deal approved without
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:04 PM
Sep 2015

a veto, it will effectively prevent a republican Plan B


 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
15. Just heard Alan Grayson on MSNBC
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:45 AM
Sep 2015

talking briefly about this. He mentioned the prospect of a Republican filibuster. Guess we'll have to "wait and see" how this pans out. Sigh! Just read on Kos that 7 more Dems needed to block filibuster.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
34. It is not a filibuster and it does not matter one wit....remember the agreement passed by Congress of 3 months ago?
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:20 AM
Sep 2015

This is all they got...theatre.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
48. A Republican filibuster?? That makes no sense
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:22 PM
Sep 2015

Unless, so many Republicans were so impressed by Lugar's words that they now support it and an APPROVAL resolution has more than 50 votes -- and they are trying to stop that by filibustering it.

That is actually what SHOULD happen, but that is not our current dysfunctional state.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
26. Kind of disappointing all Senate Democrats
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:09 AM
Sep 2015

haven't signed up to support the treaty. The support seems to be trickling in here & there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
40. This is a war and peace issue, so they should take their time and vote their conscience.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:37 AM
Sep 2015

I think that's why the red state Senators--Donnelly, McCaskill, Tester--are voting for it--they'd rather lose an election than have dead and maimed kids from their states on their consciences.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
72. +1
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 08:49 PM
Sep 2015

Hopefully we/they have learned the lesson of Vietnam. And more recently, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Diplomacy is the way to avoid these senseless wars.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
28. My Senator!
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

Love her! This is great news showing that good things can still get done in this congress.

Cheers to President Obama and the rest of his team pushing this through!


Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
39. It is as completely over as Obamacare was completely over but the GOP had 59 pandering votes to
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:36 AM
Sep 2015

repeal it anyway...it is all now just pure theatre to pander to the ever willing to be pandered to base...any blubbering is good enough if it involves hating the Muslim foreign-borne usurper President the base sincerely believes to be true.....according to all polls.

maxsolomon

(33,297 posts)
42. Our Senate is a fucking worldwide embarassment
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

34 Democratic Senators should have been lined up THE DAY THE DEAL WAS ANNOUNCED.

International Diplomacy is too important for these kind of games. We look like spoiled squabbling children to the EU. But they're probably used to it at this point.

BumRushDaShow

(128,824 posts)
43. K&R
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015


And my Senator (Casey) came out in support earlier this morning.

We just need to make sure we have a good turnout come the general election in 2016 so that we can retain the White House and hopefully pick up more seats (and maybe, just maybe take back a legislative chamber).
 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
50. Good. we need to hope that Iran does not cheat
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:32 PM
Sep 2015

on this deal, it is very important that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. Mikulski was right to do so. We'll see if Mark Warner and Cory Booker will support the deal.

SnakeEyes

(1,407 posts)
82. You are assuming they are rational.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:40 PM
Sep 2015

Or will be controlled by rational people in the future and not those that think they can hasten the end times and want to.

harun

(11,348 posts)
86. Iran hasn't started a war with anyone in hundreds of years. I'd call that rationale. A certain
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:39 AM
Sep 2015

other unnamed country can't quite say that.

SnakeEyes

(1,407 posts)
88. Sure you can call their history rational
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:09 PM
Sep 2015

if that is your criteria.

Currently, I'd say their rhetoric is pretty out there and I'd rather take those that threaten violence at their word.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
54. Thank you so much for posting this!
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:41 PM
Sep 2015

I wrote to Senator Mikulski THREE times to urge her support of this bill.

I received a response to my second letter in which she mentioned that several constituents had been concerned about the deal's adverse impact on Israel.

In my third letter, I posted links to J Street, to the 340 rabbis' endorsement, and to the ex-Mossad chief's endorsement, among others. I also mentioned that, as a MD voter, I believed that she as a member of the US Congress owed more to the US and to this President than she did to Israel and to the Israeli President.

I also mentioned that, according to most experts, Israel's two major problems today are not military: they are the in-area demographics and the growing trend toward de-legitimization of Israel in the global community due to Israeli policies of demolishing Palestinian houses in the West Bank, settling hard-liners on those lands, and continuing to treat Gaza as a 21st-century version of the Warsaw Ghetto.

Voting against this Iran Deal would only serve to isolate both the US and Israel even more - which is the far more dangerous course.

Whether those arguments were among those that persuaded her - or whether she had the good sense to come to that conclusion on her own - I am very happy that she did so. Now, I hope that Senator Cardin will have the good sense to do the same.

chuckie29

(9 posts)
74. I wrote to Sen. Mikulski also
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:14 PM
Sep 2015

I thought it was my email that convinced her. But I only sent one email, so you have me beat. I sent one to Senator Cardin also, but have heard crickets. Maybe it's good that she doesn't need to solicit any more campaign funds.

For those talking about filibusters and veto over-rides, I think that was the point of 34 Senators. Foreign policy is under the purview of the Executive branch unless the terms are made illegal by legislation. If the executive branch vetoes that legislation, the veto could be overridden by 2/3 of the Senate and 2/3 of the House. There are probably enough votes in the House but they need both houses to veto. In the Senate, 2/3 * 100 = 66.6666 (67 votes). If 34 are in favor, there are not 67 votes available to override (34+67=101) and it makes no difference what the house does. I may be wrong, I've never seen it spelled out except noting that 34 Senate votes is what the President needed, so I'm just filling in what I think I know about the Constitution. I assume somebody will tell me if I'm wrong.

TBF

(32,045 posts)
60. I think Mikulski is correct -
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

we've got to try a peaceful approach. I know some folks would rather just engage militarily, but I have to believe the vast majority of people in Iran (like the US) really don't want war.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
63. She's my senator!
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:59 PM
Sep 2015

Love her. We'll miss her at the end of her term. I wrote to her today to thank her for her support for this deal and also for all she has done in her years in the Senate.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
77. How many read, "No deal is perfect" and thought, "That's what Republicans WANT is no deal at all."..
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 12:29 AM
Sep 2015

They NEED Iran to be a boogeyman just like they needed UBL.

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