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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:47 PM Jul 2015

Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex

Source: Daily Beast

Ivana Trump once accused the real estate tycoon of ‘rape,’ although she later clarified: not in the ‘criminal sense.’
Donald Trump introduced his presidential campaign to the world with a slur against Mexican immigrants, accusing them of being “rapists” and bringing crime into the country.

“I mean somebody’s doing it!…Who’s doing the raping?” Donald Trump said, when asked to defend his characterization. It was an unfortunate turn of phrase for Trump—in more ways than one. Not only does the current front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination have a history of controversial remarks about sexual assault, but as it turns out, his ex-wife Ivana Trump once used “rape” to describe an incident between them in 1989. She later said she felt “violated” by the experience.

Michael Cohen, special counsel at The Trump Organization, defended his boss, saying, “You’re talking about the front-runner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can’t rape your spouse.”

“It is true,” Cohen added. “You cannot rape your spouse. And there’s very clear case law.”

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html

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Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex (Original Post) uhnope Jul 2015 OP
Karl and the gang are breaking out the big guns now Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #1
read the rest of that article bigworld Jul 2015 #2
Yes, and he threatened his ex into submission passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #18
asshat Cohen cannot seem to get it through his head.. chillfactor Jul 2015 #3
Yup, illegal in all 50 states for over 20 years n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #6
I'm not a lawyer, and... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #14
New York made it illegal in '86 n/t bobclark86 Jul 2015 #34
GAAAHH! The very idea of sex with that guy... The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #4
"The very idea of sex with that guy..." 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #15
suddenly feeling the need for a shower. nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #23
He probably yells out his own name when he climaxes eom eissa Jul 2015 #46
This is how they want to respond to Ivanas assertion asiliveandbreathe Jul 2015 #5
I'm sure Trump already has Cohen in mind for AG. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #7
Cohen? kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #8
Plenty leftynyc Jul 2015 #38
oh god!!!!!! wendylaroux Jul 2015 #9
Well that's the slippery slope we have gone down zeemike Jul 2015 #10
oMG jberryhill Jul 2015 #11
I wonder how many contractors on his projects... 63splitwindow Jul 2015 #12
Aaaaugggh! my eyes! thecrow Jul 2015 #16
How you doin' milestogo Jul 2015 #17
Spincter. Historic NY Jul 2015 #19
We all lose our charms in the end pscot Jul 2015 #24
She got better looking once she unloaded that unsightly growth to her own left! MADem Jul 2015 #29
TheTrumps divorced in …. ImaPolitico Jul 2015 #55
Yes....and the pic I posted was taken eight scant years ago! She looks better in MADem Jul 2015 #59
Speak for yourself. n/t tabasco Jul 2015 #43
Whoa! dhol82 Jul 2015 #57
No means no. roamer65 Jul 2015 #13
agreed DustyJoe Jul 2015 #51
I wonder which Republican got her talking. candelista Jul 2015 #20
Ha, the question is how do you pick which Republican these days cstanleytech Jul 2015 #22
Apparently there was a book authored by Harry Hunt III. No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #30
He's got a big head, duh!!! n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #33
key line 6chars Jul 2015 #37
"YOU CAN'T RAPE YOUR SPOUSE"???? What cave has Trump's "Special Counsel" been living in? George II Jul 2015 #21
Anyone who marries Donald Trump is making an egregious error in judgement davidpdx Jul 2015 #25
Many can be bought for a few million. olegramps Jul 2015 #42
Uh, Michael, you'd better review some of that more recent case law. Warpy Jul 2015 #26
I believe Ivana. MADem Jul 2015 #27
Whee! The GOP Is starting the no holds barred destruction of Donald Trump. Kablooie Jul 2015 #28
Ha, the man that accuses immigrants of being rapists is a rapist trillion Jul 2015 #31
This is only going to infuriate him, Whichever GOP muckraker did this made a huge mistake ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #32
His poll numbers will go up by 3 points. briv1016 Jul 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #36
Just when I thought he couldn't get any more repulsive - ugh! patricia92243 Jul 2015 #39
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Jul 2015 #40
wow, you know Republicans must think Trump the winner if they trot out SEX, sex, sex Sunlei Jul 2015 #41
Pass the brain bleach, please ... Myrina Jul 2015 #44
Michael Cohen might want to read up on his case law, since marital/spousal rape is now illegal 4lbs Jul 2015 #45
I almost posted this topic ericson00 Jul 2015 #47
Donald Trump makes ME feel violated, and I'm a man who's never even met him! Charles de Gaudless Jul 2015 #48
His second wife divorced him in a hurry Sanity Claws Jul 2015 #49
Someone got to Ivana big time…. ImaPolitico Jul 2015 #50
Many women who are raped don't understand that they have been raped tblue37 Jul 2015 #52
WTF? blackspade Jul 2015 #53
Most people feel that by just shaking his hand. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2015 #54
“You’re talking about the front-runner for the GOP" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #56
Ew I don't want to hear about Donald Trump and that gold digger wife. They're trash. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #58
I made the mistake of reading this story and told my husband how sorry I was... CTyankee Jul 2015 #60
Special Council Cohen is as ignorant as his boss, (probably hired to keep tRump the .... marble falls Jul 2015 #61
Without a slim margin, no doubt both trump and cohen are rapists. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #62
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. Karl and the gang are breaking out the big guns now
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jul 2015

Perhaps he can pick "The Cos" to be his VP?

Of course, if they think being a rapist will sully him in the eyes of the Teabagger crowd, they sadly misread the situation.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
18. Yes, and he threatened his ex into submission
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:47 PM
Jul 2015

This is a trajedy, for her and for everyone else who has to deal with Trump.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
3. asshat Cohen cannot seem to get it through his head..
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:51 PM
Jul 2015

forced sex w/o consent is a crime....even if it is a spouse...what planet does Cohen live on to makes such an absurd statement...

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
5. This is how they want to respond to Ivanas assertion
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jul 2015

she felt violated....seriously - who would know better than Ivana..a husband cannot rape a wife...seriously???? - By the very definition!!!!!! - Are they for real>>>> - Theres very clear case law - really????

But legally can one be raped by a husband? ... laws. Currently, rape of a spouse is a crime in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. - That was so easy to find out!!!

Disgusting people,!!!!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
7. I'm sure Trump already has Cohen in mind for AG.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jul 2015

He exhibits the perfect level of thuggery to act as Attorney General in a Trump administration. Alberto Gonzales can give him a few pointers.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
8. Cohen?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jul 2015

What kind of lawyer doesn't even know the law? Everything with Trump is crazy.

My takeway from this is GOP is really getting out the knives. I wonder who leaked this to the reporter. They must be really running scared.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. Plenty
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:27 AM
Jul 2015

He's a corporate lawyer so criminal law is far from his life. My sister is a lawyer but not a criminal lawyer and often has to look up laws to see what's what. Just like you wouldn't go to a neurologist for heart disease.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
10. Well that's the slippery slope we have gone down
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jul 2015

If Bush and Cheney can get by with torture then trump feels safe with these charges.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
12. I wonder how many contractors on his projects...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jul 2015

and suppliers to his properties felt raped by his bankruptcies?
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MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. She got better looking once she unloaded that unsightly growth to her own left!
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:55 AM
Jul 2015

This snap is eight years ago--it's not lighted or posed, but she looks ... happier.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
59. Yes....and the pic I posted was taken eight scant years ago! She looks better in
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jul 2015

2008 than she did in 1992 (or earlier) --it's because she lost that hundred and eighty pounds of unsightly ASSHOLE to her left~~~!!!!

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
51. agreed
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jul 2015

Leave the spouse alone, if you're not wanted go find a prostitute, there's millions of them. Forcing yourself on someone is assault and battery along with rape.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
22. Ha, the question is how do you pick which Republican these days
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:09 PM
Jul 2015

is the most sleaziest as they all look pretty much alike.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
30. Apparently there was a book authored by Harry Hunt III.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:23 AM
Jul 2015

I haven't looked it up yet, but it mentioned that Trump had unsuccessful scalp reduction surgery.

What the heck is scalp reduction surgery?
Is that why he wears the awful coiffeur?

6chars

(3,967 posts)
37. key line
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:37 AM
Jul 2015

"After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife"

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
25. Anyone who marries Donald Trump is making an egregious error in judgement
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:36 AM
Jul 2015

He is, has been, and always will be an asshole. I'm sure he treats all his wives (past and present) like crap given his personality.

The lawyer is a piece of work as well.

So the Trump campaign slogans are: "Who's doing the raping?" and "You cannot rape your spouse"

Just lovely people.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
26. Uh, Michael, you'd better review some of that more recent case law.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:50 AM
Jul 2015

Your take on it went out with Fedoras.

I'm not surprised she felt that way. After all, the whole world exists for his gratification. Any notion it should be a two way street just wouldn't compute.

I'm just glad for her she got away from him.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
28. Whee! The GOP Is starting the no holds barred destruction of Donald Trump.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:52 AM
Jul 2015

Trump could be a broken man by the time they finish with what could be the most intense smear campaign they've ever attempted. This is certainly just the beginning.

Or maybe not.

He could probably make a very nice deal with the GOP to pay him to leave the race and so he would just walk away richer than ever.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
32. This is only going to infuriate him, Whichever GOP muckraker did this made a huge mistake
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:54 AM
Jul 2015

I, for one, am going to enjoy Defcon 1 in the Clown Car.

Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
41. wow, you know Republicans must think Trump the winner if they trot out SEX, sex, sex
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:41 AM
Jul 2015

Now, it's fair for Mr. Trump to return the favor and start to trot out all the Republican fun private resort parties dirt and republican ties to the Porn industry.



4lbs

(6,858 posts)
45. Michael Cohen might want to read up on his case law, since marital/spousal rape is now illegal
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jul 2015

in all 50 states.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
49. His second wife divorced him in a hurry
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

They had a pre-nup that would be considered null if they remained married for a certain number of years. She bailed a year or two earlier than that just to be rid of him.

I'm writing this memory so I may be off on details but that is the gist of the story.

tblue37

(65,391 posts)
52. Many women who are raped don't understand that they have been raped
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jul 2015

because like far too many men, they simply don't understand that all nonconsensual sex is rape. If she didn't want sex or consent to it, if he forced himself on her, feeling violated and calling that violation rape was not an error.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
53. WTF?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jul 2015

“It is true,” Cohen added. “You cannot rape your spouse. And there’s very clear case law.”

What a sick fuck. And wrong.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
56. “You’re talking about the front-runner for the GOP"
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jul 2015

That's why people shouldn't vote for the GOP.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
60. I made the mistake of reading this story and told my husband how sorry I was...
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jul 2015

and told him that unless he wants to get too much information about Donald Trump's "private parts" he should avoid it. Otherwise I said he'd be looking for the brain bleach...

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
61. Special Council Cohen is as ignorant as his boss, (probably hired to keep tRump the ....
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jul 2015

smartest man in his room), but:


Man Found Guilty of Raping His Wife
By GEORGE JAMES
Published: December 6, 1995


Every year, the Manhattan District Attorney's office brings a few dozen cases against men accused of raping their wives. In all but a few cases, the men are not convicted, often because the woman decides not to pursue the case.

But on Monday, one of the cases prevailed, in part because the woman was upset that her husband never expressed any remorse over the attack.

The man, Jose Santos, a 37-year-old resident of Washington Heights, was convicted of first-degree rape, first-degree sodomy, first-degree sexual abuse and second-degree assault in the May 9 attack, which prosecutors said was so violent that his wife's ankle was broken.

Linda Fairstein, chief of the Manhattan District Attorney's sex crimes unit, said many of the marital rape cases her office handles never go to trial.

"We lose the victims before the trial," Ms. Fairstein said. "The victims withdraw, choose not to prosecute, some because of fear of reprisal, some because of the psychological feelings involved."

Ms. Fairstein, the author of the book "Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape" (William Morrow & Company, 1993), said that a wife who has been sexually abused or battered approaches the criminal justice system "with a lot of ambivalence," partly because of "societal attitudes."

"I think the perception has been nationally as a result of the Simpson case that these cases don't do well in the system," Ms. Fairstein said, referring to domestic violence cases in general.

She said the victim of a marital rape may have a love-hate relationship with her spouse and still hopes to resume the relationship. Also, she may not want to see the father of her children go to jail, or is fearful of financial hardship if the wage-earner receives a prison sentence.

In this week's case, the victim, a 35-year-old home-care attendant, saw the prosecution through to the end because her husband denied he had done anything wrong and never showed remorse, said Martha Bashford, the prosecutor handling the case.

"I think she got very indignant at that," Ms. Bashford said.

Since the woman was a rape victim, her name was omitted from the court record. The victim has a different last name than her husband.

Mr. Santos, an unemployed guitar teacher, testified that his wife slipped and broke her ankle as she attacked him with a kitchen knife. He said that he delayed calling an ambulance for three hours, even though she claimed to be intense pain, because she was getting dressed and putting on her makeup.

"You know how women are," he said on the stand.

The victim testified that she and Mr. Santos had been married about a year when they became estranged and he moved out. Several days later, after her two young children by another man had left for school, her husband showed up at her door and began choking and pushing her. She fell, her leg folded awkwardly under her, and her ankle broke.

According to her testimony, Mr. Santos grabbed a kitchen knife and began yelling that it was too late for both of them and they both were going to die. He began to rip her clothes off, she said, but when she screamed in pain he ordered her to take them off. Then he sexually abused her. Throughout the ordeal, he was drinking alcohol and talking incoherently about their relationship.

At one point, Mr. Santos tried to stab her but she moved aside and the knife pierced the mattress. Then he broke down and asked her forgiveness. She finally convinced him to call an ambulance about 11:30 A.M., about three hours after she broke her ankle.

At Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, the victim called a friend who worked for the Department of Correction. When the friend arrived, she got Mr. Santos to leave his wife's side and got a hospital social worker to interview the victim, prosecutors said.

"If he had been willing to admit what he had done and expressed remorse, she would have had a different view" about prosecuting, Ms. Bashford said. "But he kept saying it was her fault."

Mr. Santos faces a minimum of 4 1/2 to 9 years and a maximum of 12 1/2 to 25 years in prison when he is sentenced by Justice Franklyn R. Weissberg of State Supreme Court on Dec. 20.

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