‘Big 2nd Amendment person’ Donald Trump: Lafayette theater shooting ‘has nothing to do with guns’

[DonViejo]

Source: RawStory

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said over the weekend that a shooting at a theater in Lafayette, Louisiana could have been prevented if moviegoers were allowed to bring more guns with them.

During an interview with CNN host Jake Tapper on Sunday, Trump argued that it was wrong to focus on gun safety laws after John Russell Houser allegedly shot 11 people on Friday.

“These are sick people,” he explained. “This has nothing to do with guns, this has to do with the mentality of these people.”

Trump, who called himself a “big Second Amendment person,” said that people needed “protection against the bad ones who have the guns.”

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/big-2nd-amendment-person-donald-trump-lafayette-theater-shooting-has-nothing-to-do-with-guns/

[Jack Rabbit]

1. A shooting has nothing to do with guns

War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

Oh, and austerity is prosperity.

[packman]

2. Oh, yah

I definitely would go to a movie where everyone is armed. Imagine this, a guy fires a gun so everyone in a dark theater pulls out their guns and start blasting. Donald should insist that everyone in his next crowd of fellow wing-nuts be armed.

[Chipper Chat]

8. Inquiring minds want to know......

has Donald Trump ever played a video game?

[Chili Pepper]

21. Can't Wait ...

... To make my next trip to the OK Corral Cineplex. Should make for a relaxing evening.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

64. What if the guy on the movie screen fires a gun?

[packman]

65. A man's got a right to defend

himself from any threat - real, imagined, or virtual (especially in Florida) . God, the times we live in.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

66. Just saying that it could cause a huge firefight.

[Turbineguy]

3. OK, so the crazy ones

go after women and dark-skinned people. No worries for the Donald.

[Paladin]

4. There's your candidate, DU Gun Enthusiasts.

Come and cover him with kisses, because he isn't saying anything I haven't heard from you, dozens of times before....

[SwankyXomb]

16. +1000000

[NutmegYankee]

18. Association fallacy

People on both sides of the political aisle defend rights in the Bill of Rights. If this wasn't a fallacy, I could quote Trump on the Mohammed cartoon shooting in Texas: "Nobody would fight harder for free speech than me but why taunt, over and over again, in order to provoke possible death to audience. DUMB!" and note how much of DU was perfectly in line with the Donald!

[Paladin]

24. "Attempted guilt by association," hell---I'm leveling an ACCUSATION of it.

And mark my words on this: 20 mass murders from now, DU Gun Enthusiasts and Trump will still be spewing the identical idiocy about gun policy.

"Association fallacy," my ass.

[NutmegYankee]

25. People may applaud it, but sophistry is still a debate loss. NT

[Paladin]

26. Applause vs. an empty claim of sophistry? Guess which side wins that one. (nt)

[NutmegYankee]

29. Given the 2014 election results where Republicans used Sophistry to great effect...

Touche!

[Paladin]

32. Your concern is noted, and accorded the attention it deserves. (nt)

[KG]

23. word.

[Fred Sanders]

37. Gun nuts will be on the thread with the passive aggressive tone they abandon in the Gungeon,

even as they avoid all mention that all their policy positions align perfectly with the NRA and the GOP and now Trump pretending he is one of them.

[Paladin]

40. Well and truly said. (nt)

[hack89]

51. Should we adopt the strident, emotional and insulting tone controllers use? Nt

[hack89]

52. If Obama is any indication

any Dem will be good for gun owners. The 2A has no bearing on my vote for president - no one of either party is a threat to my guns.

[Bjorn Against]

5. The safest place to be is a place where everyone has guns

This is why we should spend all of our time in war zones, there are lots of good guys with guns in those places to protect us.

Do I really need a sarcasm tag here?

[truthisfreedom]

6. Movie theaters should install metal detectors on every door.

Including exits that can be propped open.

[wheniwasincongress]

15. Why movie theatres?

What about grocery stores, churches, post offices, schools, workplaces, gyms, restaurants...

And if metal detectors are installed, you have to have employees oversee it and request that people remove their metal items... It is such a huge task and will not stop someone with a loaded gun from shooting the employees and continuing into the theatre.

[truthisfreedom]

20. They're already at some malls and in schools.

They should be in movie theaters and churches.

If we're not going to control guns, we should be tracking them.

[Fred Sanders]

45. An example of the illogic of advocating for trading freedoms for a false security - freedom also means freedom from fear.

But who am I to say that?

[GoneFishin]

7. What a maroon.

[Thor_MN]

9. Donald thinks maybe there should be a hunting season on sick people.

Wouldn't have to be guns, could be bow and arrow, sling shot, pointed sticks.. Could help out with whole health "entitlements" thing too, open season on the disabled and elderly...

[sarge43]

10. So, Houser threw a handful of bullets; two people died and 9 were injured

No gun(s) involved.

That creature that lives on Trump's head must feed on his brain {sic}.

[Sunlei]

11. Trump right again. people whos parents say they have been trying to get help for their 'young man'

for years and years..should be able to flag the national data base and tell the FBI, they recommend no one sells that young man a gun. Or the Doctors should be able to flag the national data base.

[TexasBushwhacker]

28. Furthermore, we need to have a legal way to remove guns

from people who have no business having them. Houser was assaulting his wife and committed to a mental hospital in 2008. He was denied a concealed carry permit, but it's unlikely any guns he already owned were removed. There should be a legal avenue for that. If you are a felon, you can't OWN a weapon. It should be the same way for people with a history of mental illness. BTW, that includes me.

[Sunlei]

35. some posters mentioned the law says a domestic violence conviction, means no gun ownership.

so however the authorities take away those persons guns is fine with me.

I know a person who got convicted of 145 felonies. Well before the trial the local Nebraska Law took his guns away. all of them.

[hack89]

53. There would have to be strict criteria and an appeals process

But would certainly help.

[TNNurse]

12. The GOP

The political party of the Wild West....looking for a shoot out.

[wheniwasincongress]

14. Could you imagine?

People pulling out their guns at their fellow theatregoers for using their bright phones during the movie, talking, making lots of noise, putting their feet on the back of your seat...

[COLGATE4]

17. Don't you remember the case (about a year ago)

of the retired police detective who blew away the guy in front of him in the movies because he was fooling around with his (the guy's) cell phone?

[samsingh]

19. how do you prevent the first shot or SHOTs? i wonder if trump would be willing

to let everyone carry at his board room meetings?

[truthisfreedom]

22. hey hamster... you can't reconcile these two positions.

1] Trump argued that it was wrong to focus on gun safety laws after John Russell Houser allegedly shot 11 people on Friday.

2] “These are sick people,” he explained. “This has nothing to do with guns, this has to do with the mentality of these people.”

It's a logical fallacy to say that we shouldn't focus on gun safety laws (restricting the mentally ill) when mentality is involved in a gun-related crime, ESPECIALLY when the gun was purchased legally after the guy was found to be seriously mentally ill.

[ann---]

27. And, this

billionaire idiot has convinced some middle and low income
crazies that he is for the little guy. What a disgrace.

[bucolic_frolic]

30. Trump has nothing to do with money

It's the casinos that rake people

[BlueJazz]

31. I say some nasty stuff here>

Give me a .45. Give everybody else a .45.
Lets go to the movies.
I'll kill 8 people before anybody hardly even knows what's happening.

End of fucking argument.

[Fred Sanders]

46. You forgot the sarcasm emoji, I trust?

[BlueJazz]

49. Nope. Most the people who do those types of murders care little for life...even their own.

Takes about 5 or 6 seconds to realize something horrible like that is going on. By the time somebody (even in daylight) answers the firing, most of the damage is already over. Plus, I'd hate to be in the back of the shooter, or even at his right or left....I'd be carried out on a stretcher also.
I don't want people who have seldom fired a weapon to be aiming at a target with myself in the vicinity.
If the public were more trained with weapons, I might feel different.

[cosmicone]

33. Rather than a gun registry

We should just tattoo "Don't sell this person guns" on people's foreheads ... then no "bad guys" will be able to own guns ... amiright?

[The CCC]

34. ‘Big 2nd Amendment person’ Donald Trump: Lafayette theater shooting ‘has nothing to do with guns’

And car wrecks have nothing to do with cars. What a maroon.

[Fred Sanders]

36. Trump and the NRA just attacked the Pentagon for disrespecting civilian armed guards.

The Pentagon needs to weigh in again on the insanity of the NRA and it's supporters.

[wordpix]

38. can you imagine what the US will be if this idiot billionaire gets in the WH?

The man is an angry nutcase

[red dog 1]

42. It could happen.

Trump is leading the GOP pack right now, and if he does win the nomination, he may pick Ted Cruz as his running mate, since Cruz is the only other GOP contender who hasn't attacked him.

How scary would a President Trump and a Vice President Cruz be?
(Along with a GOP-controlled Congress)

[bvf]

43. It won't happen. n/t

[red dog 1]

54. I hope you're right.

"Anything that can, does happen." (Your signature line)

[bvf]

56. Got me there!

Well, in some universes, I guess he does get elected!

But there are other ones in which he suffocates because all the air molecules in the room he's in spontaneously gather in an upper corner of the room.

I figure they're about equally likely possibilities.

[mrmpa]

39. What stupid pill did he take this morning........eom

[kydo]

55. It's the other blue pill, the "I'm running for the GOP presidential nominee" pill

The side effects are pretty bad just look what has happened to the 16 people this year that are on this medication. It makes a person nuts.

[mrmpa]

57. I needed a laugh.......Thank you....eom

[paleotn]

41. Ok....

....and just what does he intend to do with the "sick people?" Better yet, how does he expect to keep guns out of their hands? Oh, I get it....gun fights in dark, crowded theaters. Gun fights between sick people, willing to commit suicide and take as many innocents with them as they can, and well meaning, but deluded and at best poorly trained gun owners as apt to shoot more innocents or themselves accidentally as the "bad guy(s)." What amazes me more is that many actually believe that's a viable solution.

Trump dishes out more stinking red meat for the propagandized and they eat it right up.

[Initech]

44. A shooting has nothing to do with guns. A shooting has nothing to do with guns.

A shooting has nothing to do with guns. No matter how many times I say it it still sounds stupid.

[Fred Sanders]

47. Also, a stabbing with multiple knives has nothing to do with knives", the NRA absurdity is painful to the

brain.

The voices of corpses and "lucky" ones who survive, of the now thousands of men and women and children killed and maimed in mass murders, one a day, by a handful of the 320,000,000 easypeasy to get GUNS in gun shops and pawn shops thoughout the land - all these GUNS in civilian hands - those are the voices of experience and reason I choose to give regard.

Those voices say very clearly, "Melt The Guns Down".

[Initech]

48. I'm convinced they want to take us back to the old west days.

Where dueling was legal. That explains their bizarre obsession with cowboy culture and tough-guy sounding slogans like "don't tread on me". That's why the NRA wants to make it easier to get guns and how they just about look the other way when shit happens like this. And nothing will ever get done. Legislation will just sit in Congress that will keep guns out of the hands of domestic terrorists. They just want more guns in the hands of more deranged people which will lead to more catastrophes like this. A good guy with a gun? That's bullshit.

[red dog 1]

50. K&R...Thanks for posting

As usual, Trump is dead wrong... It does have to do with guns!

On Face The Nation today, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia) said:
"I don't know of a law-abiding gun owner who wants a person adjudicated mentally or a criminal to be able to be able to get a gun...And all we're saying is shut down the loopholes as far as in the background checks."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-july-26-2015-paul-perry-jindal-manchin/

While a majority of NRA members favor universal background checks; NRA leadership is even opposed to that.

It IS about guns, and it IS about the damn NRA leadership, who are so beholding to gun manufacturers that they won't allow ANY new gun control legislation, and they won't even allow
the closing of loopholes in current gun control laws, such as the gun show loophole.

[OldRedneck]

58. Shooting deaths have nothing to do with guns.

Fatal wrecks caused by drunk drivers have nothing to do with booze.

Oxycontin OD deaths have nothing to do with prescription drug abuse.

Infants dying from being left in parked cars have nothing to do with stupid parents.

Republican presidential candidates have nothing to do with reality.

Did I leave anyone out?

[ileus]

59. Up yours trump...we don't need you to tell us the obvious.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

60. Do you suppose Trump rallies allow/encourage concealed carry or open carry at the rallies?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

62. "um...that's different"

Yeah, isn't it funny how the same guys who condemn and blame businesses for barring guns employ a totally different standard for their own events?

[MurrayDelph]

61. Hey, Trump!

Those women weren't killed with Jujubes!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

63. Most of the time you only identify the "bad ones" after they've done something "bad". What a moron!