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alp227

(32,072 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:47 PM Jul 2015

Report: Social Security disability fund to run dry next year

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — The 11 million Americans who receive Social Security disability face steep benefit cuts next year, the government said Wednesday, handing lawmakers a fiscal and political crisis in the middle of a presidential campaign.

The trustees who oversee Social Security and Medicare said the disability trust fund will run out of money in late 2016. That would trigger an automatic 19 percent cut in benefits, unless Congress acts.

The average monthly benefit for disabled workers and their families is $1,017. The typical beneficiary would see a reduction of $193 a month.

"Today's report shows that we must seek meaningful, in some instances even urgent, changes to ensure the program is on stable ground for future generations," said Jo Ann Jenkins, the chief executive officer of AARP.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ad37e2108fc84c4a8e091d7c5d30128e/officials-rating-health-social-security-medicare

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Report: Social Security disability fund to run dry next year (Original Post) alp227 Jul 2015 OP
I guess we will ignore that too, being a long time away. We've been denying the issue way too long Hoyt Jul 2015 #1
The problem is that there won't be any adults in charge until at least 2017. PSPS Jul 2015 #2
SS Trustees have been warning of this for at least a decade. former9thward Jul 2015 #8
Yes, damn them for wasting those two years and not fixing this and all the other problems. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #18
This was a pretty major thing to ignore. former9thward Jul 2015 #19
Two years? ... aggiesal Jul 2015 #22
So in that 72 days was the only time they could have former9thward Jul 2015 #29
Even if they (The senate) had or he (The president) had ... aggiesal Jul 2015 #37
So what, exactly, did they fix? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #24
And there haven't been adults in charge for "at least a decade." PSPS Jul 2015 #26
This is bullshit. Take the money out of the Social Security fund, get rid of the FICA cap!!! YOHABLO Jul 2015 #3
+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #32
Why am I skeptical - "the government said".....? Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 2015 #4
This is not new. Hoyt Jul 2015 #5
Social Security Targeted on Day One of New Congress 2015 Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #12
WashPost Article from May 2012... 4139 Jul 2015 #16
Bad news, but could be politically beneficial for the Democrats. BlueEye Jul 2015 #6
I'm sure the republicans will get right on it. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #7
Aren't there any republicans on SSDI that might be affected by this? kimbutgar Jul 2015 #9
The majority of people on disability I know are Republicans and hate Obama. hollowdweller Jul 2015 #10
Payback will be so delish to these republucans kimbutgar Jul 2015 #14
I think that's a little inappropriate. Disability knows no party affiliation. pinto Jul 2015 #20
True, but people on disability vote, and their families vote too Trajan Jul 2015 #30
A Republican couple I know is already eating their words on the ACA csziggy Jul 2015 #27
Ah....sorry about that.... daleanime Jul 2015 #34
With half of them riding scooters, I would bet a good share of the tea party is on SSDI. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #11
why don't you shut-up? CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #39
Aren't you in a good mood? Tell me just what I wrote that was offensive to scooter users. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #42
Just as the Republicans want to happen neverforget Jul 2015 #13
Let the bastards that sent the people to war and caused some of the people who came back to.. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #15
A Summary Of the 2015 Annual Reports (Social Security Admininstration) pinto Jul 2015 #17
Get rid of the fraudsters and that would free up a lot more money for those who need it. 7962 Jul 2015 #21
It's not fraud Hydra Jul 2015 #25
The disability program is intended for those who have a disability, 7962 Jul 2015 #28
Try applying for disability sometime and then come back to me on this Hydra Jul 2015 #31
Really, if you've never applied for disability, be quiet. "Unemployed" is not a qualification. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #35
Really?? Apparently some here think it is fine. 7962 Jul 2015 #38
Not as easy to get as u imply dembotoz Jul 2015 #43
I'm curious ... aggiesal Jul 2015 #23
Raise the stupid cap, and pay back the money you stole to finance the Iraq war still_one Jul 2015 #33
Here here !! YOHABLO Jul 2015 #36
and the Democrats should be leading the charge on this still_one Jul 2015 #41
Government may have to transfer some funds. Run fer yer lives!!! N/T Jerry442 Jul 2015 #40
OK. Hatchling Jul 2015 #44
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. I guess we will ignore that too, being a long time away. We've been denying the issue way too long
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

former9thward

(32,121 posts)
8. SS Trustees have been warning of this for at least a decade.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jul 2015

Democrats did nothing about it when we had both Houses and the President from 2009-2011.

former9thward

(32,121 posts)
19. This was a pretty major thing to ignore.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jul 2015

But I guess all those other problems they fixed were more important.

aggiesal

(8,943 posts)
22. Two years? ...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jul 2015

Try 72 days.
That's how many days they had a filibuster proof majority in the senate.

And they got a lot done in that time.

Great sarcasm!!!

former9thward

(32,121 posts)
29. So in that 72 days was the only time they could have
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jul 2015

introduced legislation? Did they introduce legislation at other times? Nope. Did Obama say anything about this in the last 6 years? Nope.

aggiesal

(8,943 posts)
37. Even if they (The senate) had or he (The president) had ...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jul 2015

it would have never made it through congress so why bother?

I don't like it, but that is the reality.

PSPS

(13,628 posts)
26. And there haven't been adults in charge for "at least a decade."
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jul 2015

The republicans want the entire Social Security system to fail so they can give the trust fund to their cronies.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
3. This is bullshit. Take the money out of the Social Security fund, get rid of the FICA cap!!!
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jul 2015

We're getting screwed again, and again and again. These sons of bitches need to go to hell. Just bastards. Hell many people in this country make $1,017 in an hour. March on Washington for Social Security and Disability Now. This makes me soooooooooo fucking mad.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
4. Why am I skeptical - "the government said".....?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jul 2015

A big fat crisis again right as elections about to happen. Maybe if theyd stop jerking us around with phony overblown "crises" all the time, I'd be more likely to believe it when "the government" tells me SS is in peril.

Omaha Steve

(99,832 posts)
12. Social Security Targeted on Day One of New Congress 2015
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015



There are many DUers on SSDI or that have applied.

We have known about this since January. It was normal in the past to do the transfer.


http://www.ncpssm.org/EntitledtoKnow/entryid/2101/social-security-targeted-on-day-one-of-new-congress

Members of the new 114th Congress had barely taken their oaths of office today when they passed a proposal threatening millions of Americanswho receive Social Security benefits. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities describes the plan:

“Buried in the new rules that the House Republican majority {adopted} for the 114thCongress is a provision that could threaten Disability Insurance (DI) beneficiaries — a group of severely impaired and vulnerable Americans — with a sudden, one-fifth cut in their benefits by late 2016. The provision bars the House from replenishing the DI trust fund simply by shifting some payroll tax revenues from Social Security’s retirement trust fund.”

As NCPSSM’s Max Richtman explains, this move was pure politics:

“Today’s unprecedented House vote preventing a routine rebalancing of the Social Security Disability Trust Funds puts politics ahead of policy and partisanship ahead of people. This House Rules change would allow a 20% benefit cut for millions of disabled Americans unless there are broader Social Security benefit cuts or tax increases improving the solvency of the combined trust funds. It is difficult to believe that there is any purpose to this unprecedented change to House Rules other than to cut benefits for Americans who have worked hard all their lives, paid into Social Security, and rely on their Social Security benefits, including Disability, in order to survive.

A modest and temporary reallocation of part of the 6.2 percent Social Security tax rate to the DI Trust Fund would put the entire Social Security program on an equal footing, with all benefits payable at least until 2033. Democrats and Republicans have authorized this same strategy eleven times without controversy (including four times during the Reagan administration); however, this new House majority would rather play politics with the livelihoods of millions of Americans than solve this important funding issue. This sends a clear message to middle-class families about the House majority’s priorities -- targeting Social Security for cuts clearly ranks high on their list.”

FULL story at link.

BlueEye

(449 posts)
6. Bad news, but could be politically beneficial for the Democrats.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jul 2015

The American people will be paying closer attention to the GOP assholes when they make comments like "People on Disability are lazy" and threaten to make huge cuts to the program.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
10. The majority of people on disability I know are Republicans and hate Obama.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jul 2015

I'm sort of excited for them to finally experience what they have been wishing on someone else.

kimbutgar

(21,240 posts)
14. Payback will be so delish to these republucans
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jul 2015

Unfortunately my son who is disabled is going to suffer the republican evil.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
20. I think that's a little inappropriate. Disability knows no party affiliation.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jul 2015

It is what it is, disability.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
30. True, but people on disability vote, and their families vote too
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jul 2015

Blowback seems appropriate, but, I don't wish it either ...

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
27. A Republican couple I know is already eating their words on the ACA
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:22 PM
Jul 2015

They were on Medicaid and are both on SSID. Because Rick Scott refuses to accept the Medicaid expansion, they lost their coverage and were panicking until the found out that they could get coverage and a fat subsidy with Obamacare.

Now they will get a big cut in their SSID payments - they are only getting $1800 a month now. The cut that is being discussed will make an immense difference to their ability to pay rent, buy food and keep their heads above water.

These are two people who worked as long as they could even after their medical problems get bad. Now they are completely unable to hold a job and they rely on friends to give them rides to doctors and to buy necessities.

I hope they will see the light and change their votes in the future but they have always voted Republican despite the fact that means they are voting against their best interests.

CountAllVotes

(20,879 posts)
39. why don't you shut-up?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jul 2015

Some people that have & use scooters require them in order to live, like those on SSDI than have progressive diseases like multiple sclerosis!!!





A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
42. Aren't you in a good mood? Tell me just what I wrote that was offensive to scooter users.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jul 2015

An apology for your rudeness would also be nice.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
15. Let the bastards that sent the people to war and caused some of the people who came back to..
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jul 2015

....BE disabled, pay for it.
Take the fucking money from the war profiteers.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
17. A Summary Of the 2015 Annual Reports (Social Security Admininstration)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jul 2015
A SUMMARY OF THE 2015 ANNUAL REPORTS
Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees

A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC:

Each year the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds report on the current and projected financial status of the two programs. This message summarizes the 2015 Annual Reports.

Social Security’s Disability Insurance (DI) Trust Fund now faces an urgent threat of reserve depletion, requiring prompt corrective action by lawmakers if sudden reductions or interruptions in benefit payments are to be avoided. Beyond DI, Social Security as a whole as well as Medicare cannot sustain projected long-run program costs under currently scheduled financing. Lawmakers should take action sooner rather than later to address these structural shortfalls, so that the uncertainty now facing disability beneficiaries will not eventually be experienced by other programs’ participants, and so that a broader range of solutions can be considered and more time will be available to phase in changes while giving the public adequate time to prepare. Earlier action will also help elected officials minimize adverse impacts on vulnerable populations, including lower-income workers and people already dependent on program benefits.

Social Security and Medicare together accounted for 42 percent of Federal program expenditures in fiscal year 2014. Current trust fund operations including General Fund transfers into SMI, the portion of interest payments made to the trust funds that are necessary to pay benefits, and any drawdowns of a trust fund’s assets—are resulting in mounting pressure on the unified budget. Both Social Security and Medicare will experience cost growth substantially in excess of GDP growth through the mid-2030s due to rapid population aging caused by the large baby-boom generation entering retirement and lower-birth-rate generations entering employment and, in the case of Medicare, to growth in expenditures per beneficiary exceeding growth in per capita GDP. In later years, projected costs expressed as a share of GDP trend up slowly for Medicare and are relatively flat for Social Security, reflecting very gradual population aging caused by increasing longevity and slower growth in per-beneficiary health care costs.

Social Security

The DI program satisfies neither the Trustees’ long-range test of close actuarial balance nor our short-range test of financial adequacy and faces the most immediate financing shortfall of any of the separate trust funds. DI Trust Fund reserves expressed as a percent of annual cost (the trust fund ratio) declined to 40 percent at the beginning of 2015, and the Trustees project trust fund depletion late in 2016, the same year projected in the last Trustees Report. DI costs have exceeded non-interest income since 2005, and the trust fund ratio has declined in every year since peaking in 2003. While legislation is needed to address all of Social Security’s financial imbalances, the need has become urgent with respect to the program’s disability insurance component. Lawmakers need to act soon to avoid automatic reductions in payments to DI beneficiaries in late 2016.

To summarize overall Social Security finances, the Trustees have traditionally emphasized the financial status of the hypothetical combined trust funds for DI and for Old Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI). The combined trust funds, and expenditures that can be financed in the context of the combined trust funds, are hypotheticals because there is no legal authority to finance one program’s expenditures with the other program’s taxes or reserves.


http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. Get rid of the fraudsters and that would free up a lot more money for those who need it.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015

The number of people on disability has skyrocketed over the past 5-6 yrs. At a much higher rate than previous years. yet we've had no crippling plague sweep the nation. A LOT of these new claims are likely bogus because there's no other reason for such a jump. I've reported 2 people that I know are defrauding the system and nothing has ever been done to either of them. Although, to be fair, its been about 11 months so they COULD still be investigating. But I doubt it.
We have too many folks that really need this help to allow a ton of money to go out the door by fraud.
Doing away with the cap will also bring in a helluva lot of money. Shouldve been done years ago.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
25. It's not fraud
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jul 2015

It's being forced out of the workforce but having a disability to apply for. Because the jobs and unemployment are not available, people are moving down the line for whatever else they qualify for.

Of course, the people wrecking the economy would prefer they starve, so I'm not sure what your suggestion would be to deal with the gaping hole in our safety net and economy.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
28. The disability program is intended for those who have a disability,
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jul 2015

not those who cant find a job. Its a DISABILITY program. Someone who cant walk shouldnt get reduced benefits because some others have had a hard time finding work. I'm talking about people who are NOT really disabled.
Its NOT the same thing and using "i cant find a job" as an excuse is just helping to dry up the system.
Once they're on the system, do you think they'll get OFF of it? The economy has improved since the President took office, but the increase in the number of new applicants hasnt slowed. Thats wrong.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
31. Try applying for disability sometime and then come back to me on this
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:31 PM
Jul 2015

They make it almost impossible for qualified people to get on, and often the wait times are over 2 years with nothing before that. As for "getting off," they throw you off if you don't qualify for a permanent disability.

That last line of yours is the problem- the economy has substantially improved for Wall St., not Main St. I've asked the local business owners as I make my rounds how many applicants they are getting each time they put a position up. The number is consistently over 100 now. Back in the Clinton Era, it was 4, with 2 showing up in their pajamas.

Unemployment is still ridiculously high, 40+ million on food stamps(try getting on that too while you're at it), and Lloyd Blankenfein and Jaime Dimon are now billionaires. That's not an accident.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
35. Really, if you've never applied for disability, be quiet. "Unemployed" is not a qualification.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jul 2015
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
38. Really?? Apparently some here think it is fine.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jul 2015

Its always mentioned every time I bring up fraud. I'm fully aware of how hard it is to be approved. Yet as I said, I know people defrauding the system for a few years. Easy doctors helped them.
If youre fine with it, great, have at it. Meanwhile the system goes broke that much faster

dembotoz

(16,864 posts)
43. Not as easy to get as u imply
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jul 2015

Do not know if there r now golden tickets but disability has traditionally been hard to get. I used to work at an agency that helped folks appeal.

Realized my wife was dying when her disability status glided thru without a hassle

aggiesal

(8,943 posts)
23. I'm curious ...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:59 PM
Jul 2015

How many of these 11 million voted for Republican representation in the house in 2014?

If statistics matter, it has to be about 5.5 million, that are dragging the rest of those
that need this, with them.

Idiots!

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
44. OK.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jul 2015

I wonder what is going on that they need to scare us old and disabled folks again? WHat do they want?

I'm way too worn to freak out any more.

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