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alp227

(32,073 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:46 PM Jul 2015

Woman who died in cell mentioned previous suicide attempt

Source: AP

DALLAS (AP) — A woman whose death in a Texas jail has raised suspicions about the official conclusion that she hanged herself told a guard during the booking process that she had tried to kill herself in the past, the sheriff said Wednesday.

Waller County Sheriff Glenn Smith told The Associated Press during a telephone interview that Sandra Bland told a jailer July 10 about a previous suicide attempt, while being asked a series of questions posed to each person booked into the jail. He did not provide further details about the conversation.

Asked about Smith's assertion, the attorney representing Bland's family, Cannon Lambert, said relatives have "no evidence" that she ever attempted suicide or had been treated for depression.

It was not immediately clear why the department hadn't previously disclosed details of conversations with Bland, or whether they were shared with other jail staff. It also wasn't clear whether Bland was on suicide watch or otherwise specially monitored during her weekend incarceration.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f955cda39da041c883233b88b3238043/dashcam-video-shows-confrontational-texas-traffic-stop

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Woman who died in cell mentioned previous suicide attempt (Original Post) alp227 Jul 2015 OP
All the more reason to get her help, and monitor her closely. Hoyt Jul 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #47
Lawrence O'Donnell featured this claim last night on his show brush Jul 2015 #51
Pretty much same thing if you just don't care about someone, isn't it? Hoyt Jul 2015 #56
how convenient. suppose that is on recording? nt msongs Jul 2015 #2
Yeah, right? I don't believe that for a minute. brush Jul 2015 #40
It was on some form or other. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #54
unless that was a videotaped booking process virtualobserver Jul 2015 #3
Unless that statement is on video, I don't believe it. Ino Jul 2015 #4
My sentiments exactly. (nt) Paladin Jul 2015 #9
"Woman who died in cell"? Seriously? Is that what AP is calling Sandra Bland? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #12
Especially Sherriff R. Glenn Smith! Anansi1171 Jul 2015 #17
easy to add that to the form restorefreedom Jul 2015 #19
Ditto. SoapBox Jul 2015 #25
Then she should have been on suicide watch. Warpy Jul 2015 #5
99.99.9% agree. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #21
She should have been given a warning for such an outrageous offense Warpy Jul 2015 #24
I agree the officer was in the wrong regardless of how she behaved with her name calling cstanleytech Jul 2015 #26
Whoa boy have they stepped in it now. JimDandy Jul 2015 #22
Exactly. Hopefully it also means there will be a new sheriff in office soon and maybe new cstanleytech Jul 2015 #27
Indeed! n/t JimDandy Jul 2015 #29
I'll believe it only if I see her saying it on tape. City Lights Jul 2015 #6
Question: how did a bogus and illegal arrest for a turn signal infraction turn into 3 days in jail?? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #7
Because her family was working on raising the bond money from what I heard. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #23
My point wasn't the money...it was on what ginned up charges? The cops anger started it all. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #30
Agreed, his attitude didnt help but her calling him a pussy certainly didnt help much either. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #36
Neither One of Them RobinA Jul 2015 #49
1 yr cop knew she would sue & would win, and the pu.COWARD was going to shut her mouth with a felony Sunlei Jul 2015 #70
the charged was ginned up when the officer was his front to her back, pulling her wrists back to Sunlei Jul 2015 #52
The bail part troubles me. She was from Naperville IL, the wealthiest town riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #33
Well assuming they are not poor cstanleytech Jul 2015 #35
Agreed on all points riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #37
Total nonsense devoid of facts or reason. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #41
I grew up in Dupage County and I'm intimately familiar with this area riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #42
Growing up in the same general area as a crime scene gives no one special knowledge of crimes in the area. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #53
Sandra Bland is from Naperville. Her arrest was in TX riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #63
It's a reasonable point. Igel Jul 2015 #66
what is the bail on the felony charge of assault a police officer, with 'injury' to officer & Sunlei Jul 2015 #61
Sandra Blands bail was set for $5000. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #64
she did make 3 calls from jail, one to a bail bondsman, 2 to family. Sunlei Jul 2015 #69
her family or therapist know bout a previous attempt? irisblue Jul 2015 #8
damn, apparently she did have a history, poor woman. irisblue Jul 2015 #46
Who does not have "a history"? The point being deflected from is: why was she arrested in the first place? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #50
He believes double hearsay evidence repeated on the TV and has already blamed the dead victim? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #57
CYA has started heaven05 Jul 2015 #10
yep Quayblue Jul 2015 #68
Allegedly. "Sandra Bland told a jailer...the sheriff said." This reeks of lies uhnope Jul 2015 #11
Headline should be "Sheriff Now Claiming Sandra Bland Mentioned Suicide to a Guard" uhnope Jul 2015 #13
+1. Misleading headline. Nt lostnfound Jul 2015 #34
Not the OPs fault though, LBN rules dont allow for altering headlines of articles. nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #39
Yes, it was AP's fault. Not criticism of the OP. lostnfound Jul 2015 #71
Unless its on tape I do not believe it. marble falls Jul 2015 #14
If thats true they are guilty of negligent homicide for not putting her on suicide watch tularetom Jul 2015 #15
Looks like they are starting to just make shit up now. jalan48 Jul 2015 #16
Liars. n/t tazkcmo Jul 2015 #18
suuuuure she did restorefreedom Jul 2015 #20
They are making shit up. If that were true it would have been a 24/7 Fox News crawl GoneFishin Jul 2015 #28
Just like in Ferguson, cops making shit up and selectively releasing hearsay not evidence with no value but to deflect. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #31
Yep. And then it gets repeated by media until it becomes a "proven fact". GoneFishin Jul 2015 #32
Reckless negligence or stupidity, but someone needs to be fired 1Greensix Jul 2015 #38
They are flat out lying. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #43
I'm white. Everyone I know is white. tavernier Jul 2015 #44
I'm with you! This is the point where we need to STOP THIS CRAP! Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #48
the police then are guilty of not caring for a prisoner and should be charged with negilent homicide samsingh Jul 2015 #45
Then there should be a video of her interview with the jail staff sufrommich Jul 2015 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #59
I'd be willing to bet interview rooms in jails are equipped sufrommich Jul 2015 #60
I bet so too. It sure should be. Hoyt Jul 2015 #62
I'd be willing to bet some are. Igel Jul 2015 #67
Fuck this bullshit. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #65

Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

brush

(53,971 posts)
51. Lawrence O'Donnell featured this claim last night on his show
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:31 AM
Jul 2015

He showed the form this claim from the Texas jail was written on. It had a series of checkboxes with hand-written marks on it.

There was no time stamp or any evidence that Sandra Bland checked the boxes, no Sandra Bland signature.

In other words, that form could have been done at anytime, by anyone — even after she was killed to bolster the claim that she was suicidal.

Let's don't fall for the okie doke. Those racists killed that woman because she didn't "know her place".

brush

(53,971 posts)
40. Yeah, right? I don't believe that for a minute.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jul 2015

Are we supposed to be that gullible that we believe that that tough, big city, young woman activist we saw

on that video would volunteer something like that to some small town questioner who she probably viewed

as complicit in her illegal arrest — and a hick at that?

I think not.

That BS is all a part of planting seeds in the public mind to help cover-up her murder IMO, and it's an old trick

practiced by oppressor societies to eliminate activists. During the apartheid era in South Africa arrested

activist quite often were alleged to have committed suicide while in custody. It came out years latter in the

"truth and reconciliation hearings" that the authorities actually murdered them.

This might explain the recent rash of 3 black women in police custody who have allegedly committed suicide in

this country. And btw, black women have the lowest rate of suicide of any demographic segment.

We are not fools. We do not believe Sandra Bland committed suicide.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
54. It was on some form or other.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:48 AM
Jul 2015

Looks like it was after a miscarriage or stillbirth or something. Certainly something far more wrenching that getting tossed in jail for a traffic violation.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
3. unless that was a videotaped booking process
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jul 2015

maybe, by an unusual coincidence every one that they abuse happens to mention previous "suicide" attempts.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
25. Ditto.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jul 2015

Tape? Witnesses? Was anyone told? Was she on a watch?

This is just too bizarre.

My gut says it's a lie and part of the cover up.

Warpy

(111,429 posts)
5. Then she should have been on suicide watch.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jul 2015

There is no reason for this woman to be dead except gross misconduct by the arresting officer and gross negligence by jail staff, at the very least.

No one should die for changing lanes without signaling on a very lightly traveled road.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
21. 99.99.9% agree.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:43 PM
Jul 2015

The fraction of a % loss is for the whole "No one should die for changing lanes without signaling on a very lightly traveled road." part because she didnt die for changing lanes she died by taking her own life assuming of course the investigation doesnt find anything to counter the medical examiners ruling.

Warpy

(111,429 posts)
24. She should have been given a warning for such an outrageous offense
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jul 2015

That pig cop just couldn't resist escalating the whole thing into trumped up resisting and assault charges.

He and that negligent jail were the proximate causes if she committed suicide.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
26. I agree the officer was in the wrong regardless of how she behaved with her name calling
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jul 2015

he showed he was either not properly trained or he is just an idiot but he didnt kill her.
I agree with you on the negligent part though but thats for her time in jail as she should have been on a suicide watch you would think based on this supposed statement that she said she had tried to kill herself before that the sheriff is now claiming she made when they were booking her.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
22. Whoa boy have they stepped in it now.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

The family is going to have reason for a lawsuit either way now.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
27. Exactly. Hopefully it also means there will be a new sheriff in office soon and maybe new
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jul 2015

officers in general for the department and hopefully far better trained ones as well.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
6. I'll believe it only if I see her saying it on tape.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jul 2015

If it is true, she should have been monitored closely, which she obviously wasn't. Plus, she shouldn't have had a plastic bag in the cell with her.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Question: how did a bogus and illegal arrest for a turn signal infraction turn into 3 days in jail??
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jul 2015

Double hearsay is doubly dangerous and irrelevant and this release of "information" shows the complete ignorance of the law and the rule of law by this outed, racist Texas County Sheriff and his entire department.

The same ignorance Sandra Blamd came to Texas to take a job and fight to be rid of.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
23. Because her family was working on raising the bond money from what I heard.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jul 2015

5000 might not be alot for you but for most of us its next to impossible to get right away.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
36. Agreed, his attitude didnt help but her calling him a pussy certainly didnt help much either.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jul 2015

They both were behaving more like children than they were like mature adults.

RobinA

(9,903 posts)
49. Neither One of Them
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:16 AM
Jul 2015

really helped matters in this case, although the onus was solidly on him as the professional in the situation. One thing I see in a bunch of these cop cases is police starting down the power struggle road without (apparently) asking themselves if they are prepared to play it to its possible conclusion and whether or not it is worth it. This guy, like the Garner police, waded in beyond the point of no return and then had to complete the scenario to everyone's detriment.

I am not a police, but I work in mental health and before I start to exercise authority, I try to make a conscious decision as to whether I can get the result I want in a way that I am willing to accept, and is the result worth what I might have to do to get it. Most often, the answer is no when safety is not involved. This guy should have asked himself where he was going before he ordered her to put her cigarette out. As well, as a citizen dealing with police, she should have asked herself the same thing before she refused. But again, he had the greater responsibility in this case.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
70. 1 yr cop knew she would sue & would win, and the pu.COWARD was going to shut her mouth with a felony
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jul 2015

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
52. the charged was ginned up when the officer was his front to her back, pulling her wrists back to
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jul 2015

cuff. naturally she was moving, as he was moving her & bending her wrists, holding her fingers hard enough for her ring to 'scratch' him. close enough so when she raised her feet, her sandaled foot touched his shin.

instant 'ginned up' FELONY charge.

He even had another officer 'witness'. Watch the video. The female officer who pulled up later, said "I saw" and made a small back wards foot lifting motion with her leg. I bet that officer who said they saw 'the kick' was in the police report.

A felony charge ruins peoples lives and police officers know that. The bail is very high for those felony charges.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
33. The bail part troubles me. She was from Naperville IL, the wealthiest town
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:38 PM
Jul 2015

in one of the wealthiest counties in the country - Dupage.

Her family isn't poor. There's no section 8 housing there. Rentals are astronomical even if they don't own a home there.

Don't you have to post 10% of the total bail $?

That would be $500.

$500

Why didn't her family bail her out on day 1?

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
35. Well assuming they are not poor
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jul 2015

you would have to ask her family why, maybe they were on the outs with her at the time or maybe they were trying "tough love" for some reason.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
42. I grew up in Dupage County and I'm intimately familiar with this area
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jul 2015

I've made no assertions. Just observations based on direct knowledge.

I know Naperville. I grew up nearby in Naperville's closest relative. I lived in Wheaton IL for 25 years as an adult - an absolute neighbor of Naperville.

My.post isn't nonsense or devoid of facts. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone familiar with the
Chicago area who'd dispute what I've said.

I don't like the "facts" of Sandra Blands arrest either. But damned if I'll sugar coat facts.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
53. Growing up in the same general area as a crime scene gives no one special knowledge of crimes in the area.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jul 2015

And does nothing for logic or logical nonsense.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
63. Sandra Bland is from Naperville. Her arrest was in TX
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

so Naperville is relevant because her family is there.

The median household income for Naperville is in excess of $100,000 last time I checked.

$100,000

Those are facts. I lived in Wheaton, the town next door for years and was in Naperville daily for work, shopping and friends since I lived right on the border and Naperville was closer than downtown Wheaton for me. My doctor, dentist, chiropractor, and attorney are there. I swam daily at the Naperville YMCA pool for 25 years. It's ridiculous to say a person can't "know" a place when they've had decades of daily experience there.



Igel

(35,386 posts)
66. It's a reasonable point.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jul 2015

She's been described as being from Naperville. That might mean "Naperville adjacent", it might mean center of Naperville. Can't know.

Poverty rate is under 3% in Naperville, and a good chunk of that is retirees. Median household income is over $105k, over $130k for a family. 82% white, under 3% black.

That said, it's not speculation that the bond was set at $5k. And it's not been speculated, but the bondsman was quoted to say that all she had to pay was $500 for the bond. That suggests either her family was in that "under 3%" in poverty, or at least near poverty and didn't have easy access to $500; or her family wasn't rushing to bail her out.

I've seen her family quoted as saying she didn't have epilepsy. She said she did. I've seen it reported that she had her license suspended 3 times in the last few years, and she had a run-in or two with the locals in Waller and in Harris counties when she was a PV A&M. And while her self-diagnosis doesn't rise to clinical standards, and we can't rule out hypochondria, she did say she felt a bit depressed and suffered from a little PTSD. Perhaps from her previous run-ins with police or the bureaucracy, perhaps from just the fear of run ins.

The thing about making somebody into a symbol is that then their entire history has to be open for discussion. If she did "everything right," then she really has to be shown to have done everything right. If her family is to be fully trusted, then her story and their story have to agree.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
61. what is the bail on the felony charge of assault a police officer, with 'injury' to officer &
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:37 AM
Jul 2015

resist arrest.? I don't think $500 to a bail bondsman will cover those charges.

The police officer had already set-up the felony 'with injury' charge, he said on video 'I have cut on my hand from her and my leg hurts"

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
64. Sandra Blands bail was set for $5000.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jul 2015

i believe you only have to post 10% to be released.



That would be $500

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
69. she did make 3 calls from jail, one to a bail bondsman, 2 to family.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jul 2015

then once the $500 is paid to bail bondsman, crown towing took her old car...how much is that cost to get car back & the transportation to get to crown towing? what if she didn't have a local family member or one with $500, or she didn't have the money. Car wasn't new.

How much is the court costs and travel to their court?

It was her first day in Texas, she was to start a new job.

It sickens me how easy it is for one asshole police officer to ruin some ones life and drive them to suicide. And all the other police are just as guilty, to allow that shit to happen hundreds, thousands of times.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
58. Who does not have "a history"? The point being deflected from is: why was she arrested in the first place?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jul 2015

Why did an illegal arrest and detention end in death 3 days later in the custody of a racist police force in a racist county?

Response to irisblue (Reply #8)

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
11. Allegedly. "Sandra Bland told a jailer...the sheriff said." This reeks of lies
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jul 2015

Bad headline, biased writing

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
15. If thats true they are guilty of negligent homicide for not putting her on suicide watch
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

I don't see where that story does anything to reduce their culpability in this young woman's death.

It's time for Obama's DOJ to step in and take charge of this case before anymore evidence can be destroyed. Only he's probably afraid to because, well, it is Texas and you know, Jade Helm 15.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
20. suuuuure she did
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jul 2015

and IF she did, which I don't believe for a second, is even more reason not to put her in a cell with a plastic bag.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
28. They are making shit up. If that were true it would have been a 24/7 Fox News crawl
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jul 2015

from the first instance.

They are back-filling now.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
31. Just like in Ferguson, cops making shit up and selectively releasing hearsay not evidence with no value but to deflect.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jul 2015

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
32. Yep. And then it gets repeated by media until it becomes a "proven fact".
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jul 2015

I had someone get quite angry as he told me positively that 20 witnesses saw Michael Brown charge at Darin Wilson. When I calmly said "Nope, your wrong. That is absolutely not true". He told me that he was certain it was true because it was reported all over the TV news channels.

1Greensix

(111 posts)
38. Reckless negligence or stupidity, but someone needs to be fired
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jul 2015

there is no part of this case that doesn't wreak of stupidity, racism, negligence and criminal conduct on the part of the police. Somebody needs to be fired and banned from police work.

tavernier

(12,413 posts)
44. I'm white. Everyone I know is white.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jul 2015

NO ONE believes she committed suicide.

This is total fiction.

Nothing about this incredulous story rings true.

No one pulled over for a lane change hangs themselves unless they are tortured or made to do so.

I've never felt as strongly in my life to go and advocate for anyone, but in this case, I will buy a ticket to be in the front line!

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
48. I'm with you! This is the point where we need to STOP THIS CRAP!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jul 2015

Every other murder has come and gone, but this has to be the end. This has to mean something! That racist prick officer should have just given her the warning and let her on her way. This fuck has to pay something for this. She WOULD NOT be dead except for his unprofessional and harassing behavior.
#BLACKLIVESMATTER Goddammit!!

samsingh

(17,604 posts)
45. the police then are guilty of not caring for a prisoner and should be charged with negilent homicide
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jul 2015

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
55. Then there should be a video of her interview with the jail staff
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:50 AM
Jul 2015

in which this happens,right? In the video showing her cell after her death, the trash bag is still in the receptacle.They're lying.

Response to sufrommich (Reply #55)

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
60. I'd be willing to bet interview rooms in jails are equipped
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:10 AM
Jul 2015

with video cameras.In fact,I'd be willing bet your journey from arrest to jail cell is recorded for legal purposes.

Igel

(35,386 posts)
67. I'd be willing to bet some are.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:35 AM
Jul 2015

Waller County?

There I think I'd have to disagree and just say "it's possible." Population's a bit over 50k for the county. The sheriff's office doesn't have a huge budget for anything, except perhaps gasoline.

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