Clinton lays out economic vision, calls out Republican opponents

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Source: MSNBC

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KANSAS CITY, Missouri — In her most comprehensive remarks on economic policy yet, Hillary Clinton said she would focus squarely on raising middle-class wages and went after her Republican candidates by name. As Republicans call for growing the economy and liberals call for tackling economic inequality, Clinton chose a different tack, saying, “The defining economic challenge of our time is clear: We must raise incomes for hard-working Americans.”

To do that, she called for increasing the minimum wage, corporate profit-sharing, boosting the power of unions, reducing health-care costs, and expanding the role of women in the economy, among other ideas. She also suggested she would increase taxes on the wealthy and crack down on Wall Street. Clinton, who has so far declined to go after her potential Republican presidential opponents by name, lined up the three top contenders in the GOP field and whacked each one on a different issue emblematic of what she called failed conservative economic polices.

With former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Clinton called out a comment he made about workers needing to put in longer hours — a remark Bush’s campaign said was taken out of context. “You may have heard Governor Bush say last week that Americans just need to work longer hours. He must not have met very many American workers,” she said. Next up was Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, whose corporate tax reform plan she knocked as a giveaway to big business.

Finally, she had especially strong words for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who announced his candidacy for the presidency today. “Republican governors like Scott Walker have made their names stomping on workers’ rights,” she said of his push to crack down on public-sector unions. She called Walker’s moves on unions “mean-spirited” and “misguided,” and added that “We have to get serious about supporting union workers.”


Read more: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-lays-out-economic-vision-calls-out-republican-opponents

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[hrmjustin]

1. K&R!

[SamKnause]

2. Shouldn't this be in the General Discussion:

Primaries forum ???

I do not trust Hillary.

She has earned my mistrust.

She will say or do anything to get elected.

If she wins, she will not follow through on any

of her promises.

She would not be saying any of these things if

Bernie was not her opponent.

[shenmue]

3. Line breaks - was that a poem?

[SamKnause]

5. I always post double spaced because it is easy to read.

Is that against the rules ?????

[heaven05]

20. no

and neither are your words.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

61. Makes me want to read it like a haiku.

[Plucketeer]

103. Just funnin'

Can a leopard change it’s spots
A politician can to win
They say what ’er you wanna hear
Trying to blend in.

What’s that you say dear voter
You yearn for this and that
Of course, I can deliver
If you’re a fattened cat

If you can pac my coffers
I’ll do what ’re you ask
Fear not, my campaign promises
Your needs are my prime task

[Spitfire of ATJ]

104. That's good, but...

A haiku is five
followed by seven syllables
ending in five more.

[Plucketeer]

105. T'wasn't meant to be a Haiku

which I do too

What you see, you get
Honest as his hair color
Senator Sanders

[wordpix]

110. Bernie haiku

Bernie with white hair

speaks truth to puppet masters

1 percent run hide

[wordpix]

109. lol, it reads like one, doesn't it? lmao

[JDPriestly]

8. True. But her statements on these issues show that the Democratic Party is beginning

to acknowledge that Bernie is on the right track.

How sincere Hillary is about her statements, who she is willing to anger and alienate by acting on her statements remains to be seen.

But I am happy that she is at least following Bernie's lead and speaking out on some of these issues.

I trust Bernie to really insist on putting good policies into place. I think Hillary will give in to the pressure from the oligarchs. They are, after all, her good friends. While Bernie has not bothered quite so much to develop close relationships with the people who, as he says, want to have it all.

I am a strong Bernie fan, but I am happy to see that Hillary is following Bernie's lead.

I think Hillary's support for Bernie's policies is a good.

[SamKnause]

11. She should be ashamed for parroting

Bernie and co-opting his message.

What kind of a leader does that ???

I don't want to vote for someone who evolves

and copies their opponent.

I want the real deal.

That is Bernie !!!!

[FreeState]

25. yes because all of the is 100% Bernie no one else has a right to those opinions

His ideas are not unique, neither are any of the candidates, they did not come up with these concepts on their own nor are they theres.

[lewebley3]

37. Bernie is copying FDR and Dem's: He wasn't even member of the party!

Nothing new about Bernie, he has not thought of anything new:

Bernie is trying to steal FDR ideas, which belong to the Dem's:
he was an independent, the Dem were not good enough for him.

Now he wants to lead the party, I say no Thanks

[JDPriestly]

66. Who cares about the party label.

You are right that Bernie is bringing back the FDR ideas. They should be the ideas that the Democratic party champions and lives by. But the fact is that most Democrats in Congress and Hillary fall for the charm of money, of the money of a lot of people like Wall Street's Pete Peterson, Hillary's and other politicians' many donors from Wall Street banks and huge corporations -- not ordinary, middle class employees' donations, but big donations from the managers and leaders of those companies whose interests are in some key ways opposed to ours.

So, you are right that Bernie is standing for FDR ideas, for what should be but too often are not the ideas and ideals of the Democratic Party.

And that is why I am supporting Bernie. If it takes an independent person to bring the Democratic Party back to its ideas, back to its ideals, back to its constituents, then I'm going to vote for him. That's Bernie. He will return the Democratic Party to what it should be.

[JaneyVee]

71. "Who cares about party labels"....It's called DEMOCRATIC Underground.

Probably a lot of people here care about it. And the Dem party is a big tent party, you don't win elections by exclusion.

[JDPriestly]

82. Very true. I''m not the one who wanted to exclude Bernie.

If your ideas are in sync with the Democratic Party, you are welcome in the big tent. That's my view. And Bernie's are more in sync on a lot of issues than some of our supposedly Democratic members of Congress. So I'm glad he is running as a Democrat.

[lewebley3]

73. You do, Hillary is a Dem she get ideas from the Dem pary! Not Bernie

Hillary is a team player, and Bernie is an independent

[JDPriestly]

86. "Team player" What does that mean?

Have you read Elizabeth Warren's book?

She describes a dinner with Larry Summers in which Larry tells her that if you criticize people in the "in" crowd, you won't be let "in."

I think that attitude and practice, of having an "in" crowd with "team players," those who don't criticize has led the Democratic Party away from its basic values.

One of the concerns of those of us who support Bernie Sanders is that we wonder what team Hillary is really playing for. Is she on the side of ordinary people or on the side of her wealthy donors.

That wasn't such a big issue 30 years ago. But since the 2008 crash, we have become very aware that Wall Street doesn't care about most of us,, that the corporations have been awarded the status of people in terms of our campaign finance and that we have to be very careful about whose team, whose side candidates are on.

Hillary has said some good things in this speech reported above, but she is still indebted, greatly indebted to the interests that fund her campaign, and those interests do not include most of us.

That's yet another reason that I support Bernie.

He is putting his campaign where his mouth is and not taking donations from the oligarchs.

[lewebley3]

91. Hillary, has worked in the Dem party system: She can be counted on to be a Dem

Bernie always dis the Dem's. Now he wants lead the party, sorry
too little to late.

I want a real Dem,: that's Hillary, she has raised money and campaigned
for her fellow Dem's, : Obama, Senate races, houses races etc,
Bernie, can only credit working for himself and his state only

[JDPriestly]

97. Here is where we disagree.

You define the Democratic Party as an organization.

I define the Democratic Party as the representation of certain ideals.

We will never agree.

For me, Bernie Sanders is the true Democrat.

For you, he hasn't paid his dues to the organization.

I think your standard is superficial and irrelevant.

Maybe you think mine is naive and foolish. I'm not sure, but I would be interested to know why you think that the Democratic Party is the organization and not the ideals. Or maybe you think I am wrong in my analysis from the get go.

Anyway, "Democratic Party" means different things to different people.

[lewebley3]

100. You are not Dem: That is why you don't understand party loyalty

The Dem's do represent certain ideals, and Hillary has fought
for them. While Sanders sat in the Senate talking, and refusing
to join the Dem's. Hillary and the Dem put their lives and families
on the line in fight the GOP.

There to no way Sanders is true Dem!!

[JDPriestly]

101. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War!

That was a Republican war, and her vote was a Republican vote.

Party labels don't mean much.

I have been very active in my local Democratic Party. Even attended a state convention and have registered many, many voters. I have tabled and worked for Democrats and the Democratic Party.

I am a Democrat. I do not like Hillary. Many of the bills that Bill Clinton signed, like the repeal of Glass-Steagall, welfare reform, the telecomunications act, and many others have hurt our country.

And even now, Hillary has many good ideas that I support, but her stances on breaking up the too big to fail banks and on reinstating a modern Glass-Steagall prevent me from ever voting for her. I saw what the 2008 banking crisis did to famlies I know personally. That would have been prevented had Clinton not gleefully signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

I do not think that Hillary has good judgment. She is too quick to go to war. She does not have the wisdom that Bernie Sanders has. Regardless of what party he claims to adhere to, Bernie Sanders is that rare individual who checks his every word and action by a moral standard that is far above the standard that most people have the capacity to apply. Watch his face after he says something meaningful. It is as if he listens carefully to an inner moral voice that tells him whether what he has said was right or wrong. He is a one-of-a-kind opportunity to get good moral leadership in the US. I don't want to us to miss that.

Hillary is a nice lady, but she does not have the kind of moral judgment that Bernie has. Bernie's judgment is a rare gift.

Obama is a wonderful person and he is morally also one who tries to check himself and to do the right thing. But Bernie even surpasses Obama in this respect. That does not mean that Bernie is infallible, but his innate sense of morality really causes him to rise above party labels. Please watch and listen to him more. And I am not saying that Hillary is a bad person. She is a good person. But Bernie is just a person with a rare vision and sense of social morality.

[lewebley3]

102. Hillary Clinton, voted to support her President: Bush choice war!

The Clinton's didn't hurt the country, they had one of the most
successful Presidency in History: The repeal of Glass-Seagull did
not hurt the economy.

The economy crash 8 years after the Clinton's left office, sorry
you cannot hold the Clinton's responsible for GOP policy, any
more than up can hold Obama and the Clinton's for 911.

Hillary does have more moral judgment that Bernie, she didn't
sit in the Senate until she was 73, doing nothing but talking.

Hillary and other Dem's have put their lives and family on the line
to fight the GOP: while Sanders morality has been, talk, talk, talk.

[CTBlueboy]

78. Jim webb

Jim Webb is democrat but sure as hell sounds like a confedrate flying segregationist talking about persevering "southern culture"

So rather choose sent Sanders who has (I) by his than Webb who is just seconds away from qouting Bull Connor

[lewebley3]

81. Jim Webb mostly a GOP person most of his life

[CTBlueboy]

88. hmm

You and others have an issue with Sen. Sanders for having (I) by name but Jim Webb has that (D) by his name
He could be spouting the same racist venom as Trump but as long he has that (D) by his name is what count since label matter right?

[JaneyVee]

62. Can you find me the first time Bernie mentioned the 1%?

[SamKnause]

68. 1981, the video is from 1989.

His message is consistent to a fault.

Hope that helps.

[JaneyVee]

69. 1-That's 1989. 2-Can you give a time in the video?

I don't have time to watch it all.

[SamKnause]

72. 1. He has campaigned on the same message since 1981.

2. The video is from 1989.

Watch the first 10 minutes.

[JaneyVee]

76. That was my point. He's not the first one to talk about it, so...

Everyone can stop pretending this is Bernie's idea and only he can discuss it. Hillary was also talking about the wealth gap in 1980s.

[LuvLoogie]

43. And Bernie's support for Eisenhower's policys is good too.

And Eisenhower's support of FDR's policies is good too....

America can't wait until Bernie invents progressive taxation and converts Capitalists, Oligarchs and Plutocrats and the GOP with his authenticity.

Because if it's a good idea, Bernie already thought of it.

[lewebley3]

27. Bernie: has earned my mistrust: He can not keep is promises!

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He is offering pie in the sky! He has no tested political skills

[pnwmom]

34. No, it is a recent news story and listed such. n/t

[arcane1]

53. Yes, it should be in GD-P. Apparently, you hurt someone's feelings with that suggestion

Shouldn't this be in the General Discussion:
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[SamKnause]

56. Thanks for letting me know.

This place is a circus.

If people don't want opposing views they should

only post in forums.

Have a great day.

[murielm99]

83. This is LBN.

[L0oniX]

4. She's learning a lot from Bernie.

[SamKnause]

6. Sad her supporters are being sucked

into the corporate abyss.

[lewebley3]

30. Says who? Hillary supporters didn't just join the Dem's

Hillary, skills are in public service, she has never favored
corporations over people.

She was the one that took on the whole Medical industry:,
Bernie has never been in a national fight against the a corporates,
he has staid in his small state doing nothing.

[Man from Pickens]

35. correction

Her skills are in self-service, not public service. With a strong minor in aggressively covering up her husband's extensive history as a sexual predator.

[lewebley3]

44. If Hillary were in self-service: She would be a much richer person!

Your statements about Bill is right wring trash talking, the GOP
has been attacking the Clinton's like the Obama from the moment
they were elected to help the country.


If there were anything on Bill remotely like a what you are suggesting:
the GOP would have found it. Bill is clean he was investigated
by the GOP, so we know Bill is good man. (not perfect)

[ucrdem]

47. Good point. Well put.

Couldn't be clearer. Kind of sad tho that it needs to be said here.

[lewebley3]

39. Bernie has not been on the national stage, or worked for the party!

Bernie, has sat out all poltical fights until now, he is the one
that has to play catch up.

[L0oniX]

92. ~

[jeff47]

7. Lovely sentiment. Why didn't these deeply held beliefs inform her previous actions?

For example, was inequality in 2008 just too small to be an issue?

I'm happy she's finally talking about these issues. I'm still waiting for why she didn't in 2000, 2006 or 2008, or why she didn't advance those causes while she was in the Senate.

[SamKnause]

9. The majority of politicians will say or do

anything to get elected.

After they are elected all bets are off.

They lie their way in and ignore the people

who voted for them because of their lies.

Sad, very sad indeed.

[jeff47]

14. Hence my belief that campaign speeches are worth the air they are carried upon.

Concrete actions, especially for people with lengthy track records, show what a candidate really believed.

They can, of course, change their opinion. But I'm going to find it hard to believe the change without some specific information about what changed.

For example, Clinton could say "I thought the 90's boom would come back when a Republican wasn't in the White House." And that would explain why she didn't talk about it previously. (It's a poor explanation, and very unlikely to be what she believes. It's just a sample off the top of my head)

[JDPriestly]

10. She's "evolving." Bernie's "evolving" her. Love it.

I wonder if she will be able "evolve" her friends at the Peterson Institute too.

I don't see anything about improving Social Security benefits on her list.

I don't see anything about free college tuition for students. Just wait. She will be on the Bernie bandwagon totally before you know it. She is opportunistic enough to recognize where the wind is blowing.

And the wind is blowing Bernie to the top of the polls. It's just a matter of time.

[JaneyVee]

45. She did. Try paying attention.

Outraged at CEO compensation[In Bill’s cabinet, Labor Secretary] Robert Reich was gladdened by Hillary’s passionate condemnation of corporate-executive compensation. “These are real issues, Bill,” she said, pointing out that the average CEO of a big company “is now earning 200 times the average hourly wage. Twenty years ago the ratio was about forty times. People all over this country are really upset about this.”-HRC 2006

The pension system is broken. We’ve got to stop companies going into bankruptcy in order to get rid of their pension responsibilities. We have to have defined benefits pension plans again. When I am president, we’ll have a Department of Labor that actually cares about labor.-HRC 2007

Let’s finally do something about the growing economic inequality that is tearing our country apart. The top 1% of our households hold 22% of our nation’s wealth. That is the highest concentration of wealth in a very small number of people since 1929. So let’s close that gap. Let’s start holding corporate America responsible, make them pay their fair share again. Enough with the corporate welfare. Enough with the golden parachutes. And enough with the tax incentives for companies to shift jobs overseas.-HRC 2007

In the 1980s, Hillary Clinton had overheard a conversation between her husband and a Japanese executive. "You could do a lot to stimulate your economy," the executive told Clinton, "if your executives in American industry weren't so greedy." Her husband replied that American executives were being given permission to grab the most at the top by Reagan economic policies, which were designed so wealth would allegedly trickle down to those at the bottom. But those at the bottom weren't seeing the benefits. Hillary agreed. She was angry at what she called "the unacceptable acquiescence in greed that had occurred during the 1980s."-HRC 1996

Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore.Amendment to repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore.-HRC 2005

Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contractsI believe that the foundation of a strong economy doesn’t begin with giving people who are already privileged and wealthy even more benefits. I think it comes from shared prosperity.

Let’s start by cleaning up the government, replacing this culture of corruption and cronyism with a culture of competence and caring again. Let’s stop outsourcing critical government functions to private companies that overcharge and underperform! Let’s close the revolving door between government and the lobbying shop, and let’s end the no-bid contracts for Halliburton and the other well-connected companies!

And how about the radical idea of appointing people who are actually qualified for the positions that we ask them to hold for us! Well, when I’m president, the entrance to the White House will no longer be a revolving door for the well connected, but a door of opportunity for the well qualified.-HRC 2007

You get the point.

[jeff47]

52. Perhaps a better way of phrasing it is "words are cheap".

Let's go through your list and pull out the ones that are not a speech or similar comment.

Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore.Amendment to repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore.-HRC 2005

Doesn't look quite as much as a laundry list.

Where were her bills to do everything else in those quotes?

[JaneyVee]

54. Has Bernie ever passed a bill besides just talking?

[jeff47]

57. Yep!

He's actually managed to push through several veterans-related bills in the last few years. Even with the crazy Republicans in Congress.

Again, where are Clinton's bills to address any of those quotes? If those are her deeply-held beliefs, surely she would have proposed legislation to address them. Even if it can't pass, it can alter the debate.

[JaneyVee]

59. She has, you can find them all online. If you're really...

Interested, you can look them all up.

[Keep-Left]

58. Nice Post

I love Hillary and Sanders. Whoever wins gets my vote!

I know Hillary is well connected but I also believe she has been fighting for the middleclass her whole life. Both would make great Presidents. I know Sanders is more left and I agree with him more but I have no problems with Hillary and would love to see the first women President.

And one more thing. Hillary is a good Dem. When Obama won she gave a great speech for the party to bring everyone back together.

[lark]

12. "Boom goes the dynamite"

Indeed.

[uwep]

13. More Hillary bashing by the Sanders crowd.

If you cannot say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Hillary has worked hard all her life and has specifically worked for women's and children's issues. She has been ridiculed and disparaged most of her political career. Even when she ran against Obama, I do not remember her being savaged as is being done here on DU. The Sanders supporters cry every now and then when he is criticized and ban anyone who does not support him.

My belief is that we have trolls that are doing their best to get Sanders nominated because they believe he can be beaten in the national election, where Hillary cannot.

Sanders is firing up the liberal base with his rhetoric, but when the time comes and if he is elected, he will be in the same position as both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama where in. As soon as he makes an effort to implement all of his agenda, the Republicans will do the same as they did to previous Democratic Presidents. Anyway, I still believe that Sanders is not a Democrat. I have seen nothing but an independent. Sanders needs to stay in the Senate where he can provide the support. We cannot lose another seat, even if it is an independent.

[heaven05]

22. the HRC group

bans also. Go figure

[kath]

60. "My belief is that we have trolls that are doing their best to get Sanders nominated because they

believe he can be beaten in the national election, where Hillary cannot."

Ohmygod. Conspiracy theorist much?
Or denial?
Or WHAT??
Shaking. My. Head.

[Phlem]

112. OMG. Really?

That's a nice story. Who was the author again?

[kath]

113. Uwep. Post #13.

[Phlem]

116. Give me a fucking break.

Poor, poor Hillary and her $200,000 speaking fee's. So abused.

[leftynyc]

15. Up until now

I haven't posted on one story about Sen Sanders where it wasn't a positive comment but have been on dozens of Hillary threads that Bernie supporters continue to trash not only Hillary, but her supporters. It's on this one now. The worst thing about Sen Sanders is his supporters who are some of the nastiest posters this site has ever had. Sick of every single one of them and are making this site unbearable.

[brooklynite]

16. It doesn't bother me...

...because I see the difference between a handful of anonymous posters on an internet blog, and the millions of Democrats in the real world who see her a both a solid advocate for mainstream Democratic principles and a well-prepared candidate who's able to take on any of the Republican candidates.

[leftynyc]

19. It bothers me because

they behave like trolls and they've taken control of this board. I happen to agree with you on the support for Hillary. I don't personally know one person who thinks Bernie can win the general - in fact, they ALWAYS mention McGovern.

[JaneyVee]

50. Yeah, they really are making this place suck.

[murielm99]

89. Put some of them on ignore.

Stay out of their playpen.

When HRC wins the nomination, they will go away again, or get banned. Look at the posting history of many of them. They only show up during primaries, then they go dormant. They are only here to stir shit, and there is plenty to stir this time.

Once she is the nominee, anyone who says they will not vote for Hillary in the general, will vote third party or repubbie, does not belong here. I don't think they should be here now, but that is not up to me. I have voted for and worked for many Democratic candidates when I had reservations!

Stay strong. They only control the board if we let them. Not all of them are Democrats. Remember that, too.

[BlueMTexpat]

107. I take comfort in that

when the trashing is OTT.

I am sure that Bernie himself would not countenance their nastiness. They seem to forget that - or perhaps they never really understood it - or him - in the first place.

[LiberalLovinLug]

111. You're probably right

Those millions of Democrats do see her as their champion and will vote for her. And they outnumber Sander's supporters on some news message board.

Lets face it, even studies have shown that Democrats are more likely to be better educated, more empathetic, among other things, than their Republican counterparts. They can recognize that Hillary is the obvious choice if it is between her and any clown in the clown car. But even though they are better informed than the vote-against-our-best-interests crowd, most voters, (of either stripe) have busy lives and get their news clips from headlines and a minimal time digging deeper.

People who join DU and other political forums, are more invested in the political discourse of the country. They spend more time investigating and digging. So......IMO......my take is that you have an extra-ordinary percent of Bernie supporters in here as compared to the general Democratic registrars, because we in DU are that much better informed and most here have a more intimate knowledge of both candidates voting records, donors, and past positions and how those positions affect the country. Sorry if that sounds insulting.

[Beacool]

28. Meh, don't let them bring you down.

My solution is to dismiss the nastiness and not come to this site too often. That way I avoid getting too riled up and ticked off by the perpetual negativity.

[leftynyc]

32. They only make me angry

I would never let them bring me down. With all the nastiness they spread around here about Hillary, I find it amusing they're whining about being called Bernistas on another thread. They have zero self awareness.

[Beacool]

51. Some of the comments make me angry too.

I don't mean those about policy differences, that's fair. I mean the ones that are personal and nasty. When it comes to the Clintons, sometimes it's hard to differentiate this site from any RW site. That's when I tune them out. Although, on occasion I do respond.

[calimary]

93. Sigh - no kidding. You'd think they were responsible for everything bad from the day

Eve ate the apple forcryingoutloud.

Some of the same people also diss President Obama when he gets a hangnail they don't like.

I try not to respond. I try. And sometimes I succeed!

It's just not worth it to keep arguing. Besides, I've not seen it sway any of the true believers on the Bernie team.

Life is too short. And I value my low blood pressure. Kinda like to keep it that way.

[murielm99]

87. Look at it this way:

We have to know more details about Hillary's history, plans and platform to answer them.

Of course, no answer is good enough for them. But we learn more about our candidate and ourselves.

You will find, when you go out to work for Hillary IRL, now or later, that it is not like this. The two groups of supporters do not treat each other like children on a playground.

[lunamagica]

17. K&R.

[panfluteman]

18. Campaign Rhetoric is Merely Talk. For Actual Policies Once in Office, Follow the Money!

Hillary is being schooled or "evolved" in her campaign rhetoric by Bernie Sanders - there's no doubt about that. But campaign rhetoric is only talk, and is often - maybe even usually - abandoned once the candidate gets into office.

To know how the candidate will govern, and which policies he or she will implement once in office, you have to follow the money. You have to see who their biggest campaign donors are. And in Hillary's case, the big Wall Street firms are right up there at the top of her donor list. So, when Hillary talks about reining in Wall Street, how could she ever do that in any real and meaningful way? Would she bite the hand that feeds her? This is definitely a case of saying anything to get elected, in my humble and realistic opinion.

Nevertheless, Hillary has worked hard and done a lot of admirable work for many fine causes during her political career, and would bring a lot of fine qualities, competence and experience to the Oval Office if she is elected president. And if the general election came down to Hillary versus Jeb or any one of the other Republican "clown car" candidates, I would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat.

But I would never, ever expect her to really rein in Wall Street.

[erronis]

21. Careful, don't say nothin' bad about my baby!

[heaven05]

23. she won't

EVER rein in that runaway Wall Street team of horses supporting her.

[Locrian]

26. well said

I think she has a lot of good ideas, and her heart is in the right place vs the GOP clowns.

I just feel she cannot think outside the corporate / wallstreet way of solving problems. It's too ingrained and too difficult to break free from.


But I too say: If the general election came down to Hillary versus Jeb or any one of the other Republican "clown car" candidates, I would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat.

[SunSeeker]

24. K & R

[bvf]

29. Strategy.

1. Shut up, don't answer questions.
2. See what the other candidate says that resonates.
3. Say "me too."
4. Smile and wave.

[ybbor]

36. You forgot

Deliver in a speech pattern reminiscent of the robot on "Lost in Space".

[retrowire]

48. exactly

how can anyone be blind to this? also remember that she has to mimic to accent of those she is speaking to so she can sound familiar.

[Le Taz Hot]

98. That is what blind partisanship does to you.

No original thought needed. Just blindly support whoever has the correct letter next to their name. Campaigns like hers don't WANT thinkers, they want minions who will agree with everything she says and never ask questions.

[McCamy Taylor]

31. You tell them, Hillary!

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. Uh, Oh ...

Liberal Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, who has advised Clinton on economics and was briefed on the speech over the weekend, however gave it a strong endorsement.

“Today Hillary Clinton began to offer the kind of comprehensive approach we need to tackle the enormous economic challenges we face, one that is squarely in line with what we have called for at the Roosevelt Institute,” he said of the progressive think tank where he serves as chief economist.

Somebody's about to go under the bus!

[silenttigersong]

42. Began to offer

is a far cry from tackling the economic issues.The debates shall begin to get interesting.Who are you refering to _going under the bus?

[1StrongBlackMan]

55. Liberal Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz ...

who has advised Clinton on economics and issued a "strong endorsement."

[silenttigersong]

70. Oh hey

havent seen that ahh but I guess I will have to wait for the" BOOM"from DUs team Clinton.

[closeupready]

74. lol yup.

BOOM is so 2005, lol...

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. Why would that upset "DU's team Clinton"? n/t

[sadoldgirl]

38. May be I don't understand this very well

Bernie supports coops and a $15 minimum wage.

HRC proposes profit sharing in return for tax cuts.
Considering that many companies use accountants,
who can minimize the profit, it means mainly
tax cuts for the corporations again.

Did I get this wrong?

[SamKnause]

41. No, you are correct.

[d_legendary1]

117. I was complaining about that the other day

Why give corporations more tax breaks in order for them to shell out a few bucks to their employees? This is as corportists as it gets. How many people do you know that work for corporations? The last company I worked for did not have profit sharing since it was a small business. This coprorate boot licking has to end! Stop their monopolies! Encourage competition! Close the tax loopholes!

Let's hear sensible answers instead of concessions that work with the current system that makes the corporates rich and buries the rest of us.

[ucrdem]

40. K&R, one point about the dateline tho . . .

HRC's economic policy speech was delivered in NYC; apparently it's Sanders who is in KC:

Hillary:

"As we all know in the years before the crash, financial firms piled risk upon risk, and regulators in Washington either couldn’t or wouldn’t keep up," she said at The New School, a liberal university in Manhattan's Greenwich Village.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/13/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN0PN0FA20150713

Bernie:

The Vermont senator spoke Monday in Kansas City at a conference of the National Council of La Raza, a Latino advocacy group.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-says-us-immigration-policies-should-unite-families/2015/07/13/ee6796ea-2981-11e5-960f-22c4ba982ed4_story.html

[Beacool]

46. K&R

[onehandle]

65. LOL! nt

[Beacool]

77. A fellow Trekkie?

If "Wall Streeters" were aliens. The Ferengis would sell their soul for gold pressed latinum.

The Ferengi's Rules of Acquisition.

http://www.sjtrek.com/trek/rules/

[Keep-Left]

49. Give them hell, Hillary!!!!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

63. Stiglitz approves

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/joe-stiglitz-gives-thumbs-clintons

[Spitfire of ATJ]

64. IOW: Every employee should own stock in the company they work for....

And that's they way they make money instead of their paycheck.

[Gloria]

114. ERRRR, until the company runs into trouble and

people who have most of their savings in company stock get wiped out...

That has happened many times....
So, people have to try to diversify their holdings and get savvy

[Spitfire of ATJ]

115. "That has happened many times...."

Oh sure,....next thing you'll claim is that real estate values can drop.

[ibewlu606]

67. No surprise.

Why can't people who ought to know better just see Clinton for what she is? And I used to think Teabaggers were willfully ignorant.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/247700-adviser-clinton-wont-push-glass-steagall-bank-bill

[BainsBane]

80. You mean what you and your friends have decided she is

completely detached from actual positions on policy or voting record. Yet people who actually pay attention to that are the ones who are ignorant, whereas you just know. Naturally anyone who disagrees with you in anyway is as ignorant as a teabagger because your views are the source of absolute truth in the universe. Anyone whose life experiences or views in anyway depart from yours is "ignorant." Why listen to Clinton at all when we can just go straight to you to learn all about her? Why even have a campaign, when anonymous detractors on the internet already know everything there is to possibly know?

[BainsBane]

84. Given that you are so much smarter than I am

as evidenced by your opposition to a Democratic candidate, perhaps you can explain to me what will happen with all the companies that have been formed since Glass-Steagall was repealed? Will they be dissolved? Is that constitutional? What will happen to the people who work for those firms, numbers I would guess range in the hundreds of thousands if not more?

[hrmjustin]

90. Are you saying Clinton supporters are ignorant?

[dballance]

79. I really hope she is sincere

And not just pandering for votes.

[Gothmog]

85. Hillary made some really strong economic proposals

[Doctor_J]

94. I wish she would stop pretending to believe in Sanders' beliefs

I thought she was going to run an honest campaign - "I'm aligned with the republicans on every economic issue, but won't take away abortion rights. Also as of 2008 or so I'm OK with gay marriage". Instead she's going to pretend to be a liberal, like Obama in 2008. Not very many people will be fooled.

[William769]

95. Kick & highly recommended!

[Cha]

96. Mahalo onehandle!

[raouldukelives]

99. Interesting. I like the idea of turning Wall St into worker owned co-op's.

Not sure a President has the power to do that but I'd like to hear more.

[wordpix]

106. what? She didn't mention Jebbie's top competitor, Trump?

[onehandle]

108. She did later on Monday...

“It was appalling to hear Donald Trump describe immigrants as drug dealers, racists and criminals,” Clinton said. “He’s talking about people you and I know. He’s talking about people who love this country, work hard and want nothing more than a chance to build a better life for themselves and this country.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251442966