SC Senate Votes to Remove Confederate Flag from State House
Source: New York Times
South Carolina Senate Casts First Vote to Remove Confederate Flag
TRAVIS DOVE FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
By ALAN BLINDER
JULY 6, 2015
COLUMBIA, S.C. The South Carolina Senate voted Monday to remove the Confederate battle flag from the grounds of the State House. The bipartisan proposal, which emerged after last months massacre at a historic black church in Charleston, was approved by a 37-to-3 vote in the Republican-controlled Senate.
The Senate has one remaining ratification vote, now virtually assured of success.
The debate will shift to the House of Representatives, which Republicans also dominate, where the timeline for and tenor of the debate remains less clear.
The Senates vote on Monday marked a resounding shift in South Carolina, where less than three weeks ago removing the Confederate battle flag from a memorial near the State House was viewed as politically impossible.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/07/us/south-carolina-capitol-confederate-battle-flag.html
hlthe2b
(102,509 posts)kiri
(802 posts)Please be aware that this is carefully orchestrated charade.
The House will not accept the Senate bill; which needs a "3rd reading" in order to be passed. Which is delayed by waiting for the House. Then the SC House and Senate versions go back and forth for weeks or months. Attention dies down.
I would like to be wrong, but I predict the confederate treason flag flies for years to come.
SCantiGOP
(13,878 posts)Zero, zilch. It is - pun intended - history.
onenote
(42,829 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Archae
(46,373 posts)Just wondering.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)For Tillman, though, it was not enough to be the primary architect of Jim Crow in South Carolina. Tillman spoke far and wide around the South, urging the suppression of blacks. He went to North Carolina 1898 to aide in the violent overthrow of the racially tolerant city government of Wilmington. Responding to an editorial by the mixed-race editor of the Wilmington Record, Tillman taunted, Why dont you lynch the n****r editor ? Send him to South Carolina, let him publish such offensive stuff, and he will be killed.
Tillman was offensive in many ways beyond his attitudes on race and voting rights for example, in 1902 the Senate censured Tillman for assaulting Senator John McLauren on the Senate floor. But it was race where he made his mark.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,878 posts)Bill needs one more reading in Senate and then goes to the House. Unless something totally unexpected happens, it can be on the Governor's desk Thursday, and will then come down immediately.
Judi Lynn
(160,662 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,601 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Good lord .
If this was a gun bill or an abortion bill, it would be rammed through like a hot knife through butter.
cstanleytech
(26,349 posts)dont want to lose their jobs come the next election.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The bigots who passed probably thought there would never be enough votes to get a 2/3 majority.
Im sorry it took 9 deaths to make this happen, but I'm glad these legislators are doing the right thing.
SCantiGOP
(13,878 posts)The so-called compromise of 2000 was crafted to purposely make it extremely difficult to ever remove it.
24601
(3,967 posts)really believed it, or believe that truth doesn't matter on DU as long as you say something you think will be popular?
The research is easy. Here's the legislative history on a current abortion bill under consideration in South Carolina.
It's the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act"
Here's the source: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess121_2015-2016/bills/3114.htm
It was prefiled December 11th, 2014 and as of June, 2015 was in committee.
HISTORY OF LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS
Date Body Action Description with journal page number
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12/11/2014 House Prefiled
12/11/2014 House Referred to Committee on Judiciary
1/13/2015 House Introduced and read first time (House Journal-page 100)
1/13/2015 House Referred to Committee on Judiciary
(House Journal-page 100)
1/28/2015 House Member(s) request name added as sponsor: Putnam, Rivers
1/28/2015 House Committee report: Favorable Judiciary
(House Journal-page 6)
1/29/2015 House Member(s) request name added as sponsor: V.S.Moss,
Whitmire
1/29/2015 House Requests for debate-Rep(s). Delleney, Wells, Taylor,
Pope, Weeks, Hiott, Spires, Corley, Huggins,
Ballentine, Toole, Brannon, Allison, Forrester,
Nanney, Hicks, Loftis, Hamilton, Burns, VS Moss, GR
Smith, Beddingfield, Ridgeway, Douglas, McKnight,
Anthony, Knight, Williams, Jefferson, Whitmire,
Sandifer, Crowford, Gagnon, MS McLeod
(House Journal-page 18)
2/3/2015 House Member(s) request name added as sponsor: Bedingfield,
Hill
2/4/2015 House Debate adjourned until Wed. 2-11-15
(House Journal-page 39)
2/11/2015 House Member(s) request name added as sponsor: Duckworth,
Clemmons
2/11/2015 House Read second time (House Journal-page 41)
2/11/2015 House Roll call Yeas-80 Nays-27 (House Journal-page 52)
2/12/2015 House Read third time and sent to Senate
(House Journal-page 33)
2/12/2015 House Roll call Yeas-71 Nays-22 (House Journal-page 34)
2/12/2015 Senate Introduced and read first time (Senate Journal-page 6)
2/12/2015 Senate Referred to Committee on Medical Affairs
(Senate Journal-page 6)
4/21/2015 Senate Committee report: Majority favorable with amend.,
minority unfavorable Medical Affairs
(Senate Journal-page 26)
4/22/2015 Scrivener's error corrected
4/23/2015 Senate Special order, set for April 23, 2015
(Senate Journal-page 92)
5/12/2015 Senate Debate interrupted (Senate Journal-page 68)
5/13/2015 Senate Debate interrupted (Senate Journal-page 34)
5/14/2015 Senate Debate interrupted (Senate Journal-page 34)
5/19/2015 Senate Amended (Senate Journal-page 23)
5/19/2015 Senate Read second time (Senate Journal-page 23)
5/19/2015 Senate Roll call Ayes-37 Nays-7 (Senate Journal-page 23)
5/20/2015 Scrivener's error corrected
5/27/2015 Senate Read third time and returned to House with amendments
(Senate Journal-page 14)
6/2/2015 House Senate amendment amended (House Journal-page 25)
6/3/2015 House Returned to Senate with amendments
(House Journal-page 76)
6/4/2015 Senate Non-concurrence in House amendment
(Senate Journal-page 92)
6/4/2015 House House insists upon amendment and conference committee
appointed Reps. Ridgeway, Nanney, Delleney
(House Journal-page 51)
6/4/2015 Senate Conference committee appointed Cleary, Hutto, Shealy
(Senate Journal-page 92)
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Thankfully, they saw that public opinion was against them. Now let's work on the guns.
calimary
(81,594 posts)who suspects the same thing I do. The bill succeeds in the state senate and then has to go to the house where it'll either be slow-walked into NeverNeverLand or changed or whittled away or allowed to wither on the vine. All those votes and deliberations and readings take time, dontchaknow. A way to run out the clock for those who think the "Honor" and "Respect" of that Dixie Swastika are all important to preserve. I don't know how you can possibly "honor" OR "respect" that symbol of hate.
One of my friends who lives in Texas was all on about "you know the Civil War was about economics, don't you? It was states rights!" Well, "States Rights", 'eh? Tip-off RIGHT THERE. We have cracked your code, assholes. We KNOW what you're up to and what you're trying to telegraph under-the-radar. (Btw, that atwater video is in the link here too) :
http://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/
EVERY TIME any of 'em says "states rights" - we KNOW what they're really saying.
As with reagan, I do see ONE thing good in lee atwater. He's DEAD.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)320 million guns is....too many guns. Three weeks from now, who knows what is politically possible if there is public will and common sense combined?
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)the woodchucks will be out in force, and armed to the teeth.
Watch out, and be careful in S.C.
OakCliffDem
(1,274 posts)Next we need to remove the Republicans from South Carolina.
Midnight Writer
(21,845 posts)That would be nice.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Their real state flag is beautiful.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)just curious