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Judi Lynn

(160,661 posts)
Fri May 4, 2012, 10:15 PM May 2012

I am proud of what I did, says Rabin murder accomplice as he walks free

Source: Independent

I am proud of what I did, says Rabin murder accomplice as he walks free
Catrina Stewart
Jerusalem
Saturday 05 May 2012

The brother of the man who murdered the Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin walked free yesterday after 16-and-a-half years in jail for being an accomplice, declaring that he was "proud" of what he did.

Hagai Amir, 43, conspired with his brother, Yigal, to assassinate Rabin in retaliation for his efforts to seek peace with the Palestinians and cede parts of the biblical heartland in the West Bank and Gaza.

His brother, an ultra-nationalist Jew, who is serving a life sentence in a high-security jail, fired three rounds into Rabin at a peace rally in Tel Aviv in 1995. His actions helped set in motion the events that would bring a right-wing government back to power.

Ahead of Amir's release early yesterday, peace activists gathered outside the prison, chanting "Disgrace" and "We won't forgive, we won't forget". As family members led the former prisoner to a car, he held his fingers aloft in a V for victory sign and told Israeli radio: "I am not regretful. I am proud of what I did." He was to spend his first night of freedom in a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank.

More:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/i-am-proud-of-what-i-did-says-rabin-murder-accomplice-as-he-walks-free-7715651.html

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/i-am-proud-of-what-i-did-says-rabin-murder-accomplice-as-he-walks-free-7715651.html

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I am proud of what I did, says Rabin murder accomplice as he walks free (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2012 OP
The blood of everyone who has died in the I/P dispute since Rabin's murder Ken Burch May 2012 #1
Agreed. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #2
+1000 Blue_Tires May 2012 #4
Ugh, yeah. It felt like they were edging towards something when Rabin died, too. Posteritatis May 2012 #6
Yup. The Amir brothers wanted the bloodshed since. They are sadistic. applegrove May 2012 #9
Not sadistic... Ron Obvious May 2012 #17
Yeah...definitely "in blood and fire Judea was born" types. n/t. Ken Burch May 2012 #18
Which is sadistic. They want to see bloodshed of the enemies. applegrove May 2012 #20
The distinction is, though, that sadists inflict pain because they enjoy doing that. Ken Burch May 2012 #22
You are right. applegrove May 2012 #23
Exactly. harmonicon May 2012 #12
What nationality does Amir have, apart from Israeli? muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #14
There are precedents for stripping a person of their citizenship for being a terrorist. Ken Burch May 2012 #21
That doesn't create another nationality, though; who would be forced to take him? muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest May 2012 #3
Why? Bibi OWES him. Ken Burch May 2012 #7
Agreed LarryNM May 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest May 2012 #10
The blame should go to whoever sentenced him 16 years ago muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest May 2012 #15
Israel has only executed two people, Meir Tobianski (1948) and Adolf Eichmann (1962). Behind the Aegis May 2012 #16
And unlike Eichmann or the Amir brothers, Tobiansky was innocent Ken Burch May 2012 #19
Ick. Crunchy Frog May 2012 #5
Don't count on him living to 44. kestrel91316 May 2012 #11
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
1. The blood of everyone who has died in the I/P dispute since Rabin's murder
Fri May 4, 2012, 10:22 PM
May 2012

Is on the hands of the Amir brothers. The Israeli government should deport Hagai Amir immediately. It won't, however, because that government is only in power BECAUSE of what the Amir brothers did. Bibi probably sends them a thank-you note every year.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
6. Ugh, yeah. It felt like they were edging towards something when Rabin died, too.
Fri May 4, 2012, 10:56 PM
May 2012

So much lost time because of that.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. The distinction is, though, that sadists inflict pain because they enjoy doing that.
Sat May 5, 2012, 08:15 PM
May 2012

True Believers don't necessarily enjoy it...they just see it as that which is commanded by whatever deity they may believe in. Often, they are quite dispassionate about the suffering they cause.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
12. Exactly.
Sat May 5, 2012, 04:47 AM
May 2012

Almost every government since Rabin's assassination wouldn't have been possible without it. Maybe I was young and naive, but at the time I really thought there was going to be peace, and possibly even something resembling justice for both sides.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. There are precedents for stripping a person of their citizenship for being a terrorist.
Sat May 5, 2012, 08:07 PM
May 2012

If Hagai Amir gets to stay in the country, after conspiring to kill one prime minister(Rabin) and threatening another(Sharon), he wins.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,411 posts)
24. That doesn't create another nationality, though; who would be forced to take him?
Sat May 5, 2012, 08:54 PM
May 2012

If someone has dual nationality, one country can strip their nationality from him, frogmarch him onto a plane, and tell the other country he's their problem. But if he only has the one, you can't just tell another country to accept him - which is what deporting is. Even if a country decides to strip the only nationality from a person (so that he can't have a passport, or vote, or similar things), they're still left holding the baby, so to speak. If he's served his sentence, then he's back in public.

If they ignored habeas corpus, they could throw him in prison again, without a trial. But I think Israel would have constitutional problems with that.

Or another country could volunteer to take him in. But who wants a murderous Israeli fanatic?

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
7. Why? Bibi OWES him.
Fri May 4, 2012, 11:10 PM
May 2012

It's as simple as that. No Rabin assassination, no Netanyahu comeback.

Just like Nixon owed whoever wasted RFK.

Response to LarryNM (Reply #8)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,411 posts)
13. The blame should go to whoever sentenced him 16 years ago
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:13 AM
May 2012

or those in 2006, who only extended the sentence by half a year for a threat to arrange the killing of Sharon.

Amir was originally sentenced to 16 years, but that time was extended by six months after he was convicted of threatening the life of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2006. He spent most of his prison years in isolation.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbaioCQG5QxA5erdOvgZQQVKWZhg?docId=4b52bae9e6364c76a29f0b9aef9db027


When you say "he could be kept in for life", are you saying that someone - a judge? a politician? - should be able to overrule the original sentence?

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #13)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
19. And unlike Eichmann or the Amir brothers, Tobiansky was innocent
Sat May 5, 2012, 08:02 PM
May 2012

Isser Be'eri KNEW he was innocent throughout the drumhead trial, but did nothing to stop Tobiansky's murder.

As to Amir, even if he's not to be executed, he clearly deserves a life sentence without parole for his actions. You can't just let somebody walk the streets after he conspires in the assassination of a head of government. Allowing Amir to be freed is letting him, effectively, win.

Hagai Amir should be treated EXACTLY like a Palestinian who helped murder an Israeli prime minister would have been treated.
Agreed?

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