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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:14 PM Mar 2015

BREAKING: WikiLeaks Releases Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) - Investment Chapter

Source: WikiLeaks Press Release

@wikileaks: RELEASE: Secret draft for the Trans-Pacific Partnership - Investment Chapter https://t.co/GkBXbq8hTI/s/CmD9 #TPP #TTIP http://t.co/Ose0kwwdLH/s/NlgH

Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) - Investment chapter

WikiLeaks releases today the "Investment Chapter" from the secret negotiations of the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) agreement. The document adds to the previous WikiLeaks publications of the chapters for Intellectual Property Rights (November 2013) and the Environment (January 2014).

The TPP Investment Chapter, published today, is dated 20 January 2015. The document is classified and supposed to be kept secret for four years after the entry into force of the TPP agreement or, if no agreement is reached, for four years from the close of the negotiations.

The TPP has developed in secret an unaccountable supranational court for multinationals to sue states. This system is a challenge to parliamentary and judicial sovereignty. Similar tribunals have already been shown to chill the adoption of sane environmental protection, public health and public transport policies.

Current TPP negotiation member states are the United States, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Australia, Malaysia, Chile, Singapore, Peru, Vietnam, New Zealand and Brunei. The TPP is the largest economic treaty in history, including countries that represent more than 40 per cent of the world´s GDP.

The Investment Chapter highlights the intent of the TPP negotiating parties, led by the United States, to increase the power of global corporations by creating a supra-national court, or tribunal, where foreign firms can "sue" states and obtain taxpayer compensation for "expected future profits". These investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) tribunals are designed to overrule the national court systems. ISDS tribunals introduce a mechanism by which multinational corporations can force governments to pay compensation if the tribunal states that a country's laws or policies affect the company's claimed future profits. In return, states hope that multinationals will invest more. Similar mechanisms have already been used. For example, US tobacco company Phillip Morris used one such tribunal to sue Australia (June 2011 – ongoing) for mandating plain packaging of tobacco products on public health grounds; and by the oil giant Chevron against Ecuador in an attempt to evade a multi-billion-dollar compensation ruling for polluting the environment. The threat of future lawsuits chilled environmental and other legislation in Canada after it was sued by pesticide companies in 2008/9. ISDS tribunals are often held in secret, have no appeal mechanism, do not subordinate themselves to human rights laws or the public interest, and have few means by which other affected parties can make representations.

The TPP negotiations have been ongoing in secrecy for five years and are now in their final stages. In the United States the Obama administration plans to "fast-track" the treaty through Congress without the ability of elected officials to discuss or vote on individual measures. This has met growing opposition as a result of increased public scrutiny following WikiLeaks' earlier releases of documents from the negotiations.

The TPP is set to be the forerunner to an equally secret agreement between the US and EU, the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership).

Negotiations for the TTIP were initiated by the Obama administration in January 2013. Combined, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP. The third treaty of the same kind, also negotiated in secrecy is TISA, on trade in services, including the financial and health sectors. It covers 50 countries, including the US and all EU countries. WikiLeaks released the secret draft text of the TISA's financial annex in June 2014.

All these agreements on so-called “free trade” are negotiated outside the World Trade Organization's (WTO) framework. Conspicuously absent from the countries involved in these agreements are the BRICs countries of Brazil, Russia, India and China.

Read more: https://wikileaks.org/tpp-investment/press.html



@wikileaks: RELEASE: Analysis of Trans-Pacific Partnership Investment Chapter https://t.co/CiDjAT7ZfG/s/2hXl

FR: Lori Wallach and Ben Beachy, Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch

DT: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 RE: Analysis of Leaked Trans-Pacific Partnership Investment Text

After more than five years of negotiations under conditions of extreme secrecy, on March 25, 2015, a leaked copy of the investment chapter for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) was posted. Public Citizen has verified that the text is authentic. Trade officials from the United States and 11 Pacific Rim nations – Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam – are in intensive, closed-door negotiations to finish the TPP in the next few months.

The leaked text provides stark warnings about the dangers of “trade” negotiations occurring without press, public or policymaker oversight. It reveals that TPP negotiators already have agreed to many radical terms that would give foreign investors expansive new substantive and procedural rights and privileges not available to domestic firms under domestic law.

The leaked text would empower foreign firms to directly “sue” signatory governments in extrajudicial investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) tribunals over domestic policies that apply equally to domestic and foreign firms that foreign firms claim violate their new substantive investor rights. There they could demand taxpayer compensation for domestic financial, health, environmental, land use and other policies and government actions they claim undermine TPP foreign investor privileges, such as the “right” to a regulatory framework that conforms to their “expectations.”

The leaked text reveals the TPP would expand the parallel ISDS legal system by elevating tens of thousands of foreign-owned firms to the same status as sovereign governments, empowering them to privately enforce a public treaty by skirting domestic courts and laws to directly challenge TPP governments in foreign tribunals. Existing ISDS-enforced agreements of the United States, and of other developed TPP countries, have
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BREAKING: WikiLeaks Releases Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) - Investment Chapter (Original Post) Hissyspit Mar 2015 OP
I'll wait for the final release ,,,,,,, thank you. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #1
"The document is classified and supposed to be kept secret for four years after the entry into force n2doc Mar 2015 #6
So I suppose I could write and publish Chapter Three Cryptoad Mar 2015 #21
Don't hold your breath. Cleita Mar 2015 #7
You may have to wait awhile. sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #12
Don't sleep on this power grab by transnational corporations psychopomp Mar 2015 #26
Wow! Two minutes after the OP. Impressive! n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #27
"I'm going to wait until that Redwood is firmly inserted mindwalker_i Mar 2015 #28
So you think this is a lie? You trust Obama, who hasn't said shite about this, over all rhett o rick Mar 2015 #31
Lol! BeanMusical Mar 2015 #41
No need for a personal attack just cause you dont agree........ Cryptoad Mar 2015 #42
It have nothing to do with disagrement. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #43
I'll wait for the final release ,,,,,,, thank you. Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #54
This is an awesome development! Great work Julian, Thank you. -nt- 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #2
Thank goodness for WikiLeaks. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #3
so much for all those "transparency" promises, eh? villager Mar 2015 #8
If they weren't doing something horribly wrong, they'd never have had to go to such lengths to keep blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #40
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #4
NAFTA has the same sort of court BainsBane Mar 2015 #5
And look how wonderful NAFTA has been for workers in the USA... NOT! peacebird Mar 2015 #9
I certainly don't support it BainsBane Mar 2015 #13
It wasn't beneficial for Mexican workers either. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2015 #14
If not, why hasn't Mexico withdrawn, and is part of TPP negotiations. Hoyt Mar 2015 #47
The auto plants were already there WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2015 #61
Wrong. Audi just announced it is opening a big plant there, primarily because Hoyt Mar 2015 #62
This has Hillary's fingerprints all over it. Scuba Mar 2015 #10
the obama doctrine, created by obama, for his corporate toadies, in secret. hillary? nice try nt msongs Mar 2015 #23
Yes it does. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #44
The TPP is f*cking insanity LiberalEsto Mar 2015 #11
Cue up the Authoritarians..... blackspade Mar 2015 #15
Don't look now, but they're already here. RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #25
One has to understand FAITH. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #32
Kool-Aid overdose? BeanMusical Mar 2015 #45
Thank you, Mr. Assange Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #16
Wikileaks does it again. Thank you! n/t pa28 Mar 2015 #17
Well, it's the next step for corporations, right? To have powers extending beyond that of nations, mother earth Mar 2015 #18
Our "DEMS" are 100% sold out to the 1% blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #38
Indeed, they are. This is the very sorry state of the union, our gov't itself has been bought and mother earth Mar 2015 #60
New York TImes article OKNancy Mar 2015 #19
President Obama really supports this? Dragonfli Mar 2015 #20
Money for the few at the expense of the many. That's all that matters now. davidn3600 Mar 2015 #34
That's what I don't understand. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #56
Came with cool uniforms? Telcontar Mar 2015 #63
Bravo! Now this abomination needs to be KILLED! AzDar Mar 2015 #22
Call your Senators, Representatives and Whitehouse to express your opposition to this global Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #24
Without a call or letter or both, the rest is just hot air mahina Mar 2015 #30
You just warmed my heart. Thank you, mahina. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #57
The same tribunals are in NAFTA and are used by European Union nations. Who writes this BS? Hoyt Mar 2015 #29
I would love to see documentation showing how these trade agreements have helped rhett o rick Mar 2015 #33
You can't see what doesn't exist. eom Cleita Mar 2015 #35
Ask Robert Reich.. He still feels NAFTA was good, but didn't go far enough Hoyt Mar 2015 #46
I haven't seen any documentation that shows that NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, have done anything rhett o rick Mar 2015 #51
American workers might be hurting worse if we do nothing. Fact is, world is changing. Hoyt Mar 2015 #53
If I had a dollar.. sendero Mar 2015 #58
That's because the tribunals favor governments. joshcryer Mar 2015 #55
K&R. We had heard this type of Multinational Superpower was in the text. Overseas Mar 2015 #36
Am I incorrect in thinking this is the very essence of Fascism? WinkyDink Mar 2015 #37
It is Fascism. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #39
Smells like it to me. nt GliderGuider Mar 2015 #59
The provision, as bolded, seems unconstitutionally vague AND ambiguous. closeupready Mar 2015 #48
K&R!!!!!!!!!!! burrowowl Mar 2015 #49
Kick and R. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #50
more discussion grasswire Mar 2015 #52
"multinational corporations can force governments to pay compensation ..for claimed FUTURE profits"? Bill USA Mar 2015 #64
K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Mar 2015 #65
Thank you, Wikileaks! Matilda Apr 2015 #66
The usual: Nihil Apr 2015 #67

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
6. "The document is classified and supposed to be kept secret for four years after the entry into force
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:26 PM
Mar 2015

I guess just in time for Ted Cruz's second term….

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
21. So I suppose I could write and publish Chapter Three
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:29 PM
Mar 2015

and nobody would know teh difference but me and you and Rafael ...... I have found WiKiLeaks peddles as much BS as the Gubermint! just saying......

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
12. You may have to wait awhile.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:33 PM
Mar 2015

"The TPP Investment Chapter, published today, is dated 20 January 2015. The document is classified and supposed to be kept secret for four years after the entry into force of the TPP agreement or, if no agreement is reached, for four years from the close of the negotiations."

If that means what I think it means, and it's true, you and me will be pretty much screwed long before you get a change read anything that hasn't been leaked.



psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
26. Don't sleep on this power grab by transnational corporations
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:59 PM
Mar 2015

TPP promises to open Japan up more to the rest of the world, so part of me wishes that a new trade agreement that breaks down tariff barriers can be realized.

However, this is clearly going make state citizens beholden to corporate interests in a way heretofore unseen. Everyone whose state signs on to this will have new masters.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
28. "I'm going to wait until that Redwood is firmly inserted
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

... all the way up my ass before I complain."

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. So you think this is a lie? You trust Obama, who hasn't said shite about this, over all
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:12 PM
Mar 2015

those that say this is dangerous? That's real FAITH.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
43. It have nothing to do with disagrement.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:01 PM
Mar 2015

"I'll wait for the final release..."

It will be available to be read by the plebeians that we are 4 years after it is enacted. Gee.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,791 posts)
3. Thank goodness for WikiLeaks.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:20 PM
Mar 2015

Without this detailed explanation, we would be completely in the dark about what might be forced upon us.

K&R

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
40. If they weren't doing something horribly wrong, they'd never have had to go to such lengths to keep
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 10:27 PM
Mar 2015

it hidden from public view.

All of this says A LOT about the Prez, and NONE of it is good...


Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

BainsBane

(53,127 posts)
5. NAFTA has the same sort of court
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:25 PM
Mar 2015

a board that hears cases from businesses about trade infractions by member countries. It's not accountable to the high courts in any of the member states. People shouldn't need Wikileaks to tell them this was likely to be in TPP as well. The article mentions a couple of cases that board has rule on without attributing them to NAFTA. Ecuador is not in NAFTA, and I thought that case was adjudicated in the courts of Ecuador and the US, so I'm not sure what mechanism they are talking about in that particular case.

BainsBane

(53,127 posts)
13. I certainly don't support it
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:39 PM
Mar 2015

I didn't at the time, and I don't now. However, the article's repeated claim that the arbitration board would be kept secret for four years doesn't make much sense in light of that experience and the fact that companies need to know about it to file a grievance. I also don't know why the authors of the piece don't identify the disputes involving US, Mexican, and Canadian companies and states as a result of NAFTA. They also appear to conflate law suits in Ecuadorian and US Courts with the trade arbitration boards. If the public is to understand what's at stake in TPP, they should know how it has worked in NAFTA.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
47. If not, why hasn't Mexico withdrawn, and is part of TPP negotiations.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:18 PM
Mar 2015

I guess the auto plants going to Mexico don't help their people.

I've seen very few people here who care about foreign countries getting better jobs.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
61. The auto plants were already there
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:06 PM
Mar 2015

It's all about those with the gold making the rules, all that hype about good Mexican jobs, was mostly that, as the cheap labor market shifted to China.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
62. Wrong. Audi just announced it is opening a big plant there, primarily because
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:10 PM
Mar 2015

Mexico holds better trade agreements than the USA. It was posted here in the last few days.

msongs

(67,496 posts)
23. the obama doctrine, created by obama, for his corporate toadies, in secret. hillary? nice try nt
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:44 PM
Mar 2015

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
25. Don't look now, but they're already here.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:57 PM
Mar 2015

Boggles the mind how anyone could come to the defense of such an undemocratic abomination.
And yet some do.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
18. Well, it's the next step for corporations, right? To have powers extending beyond that of nations,
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:51 PM
Mar 2015

so somebody tell me how we can continue to cheerlead for either side?

Clearly our "candidates" are serving the oligarchy, which has nothing to do with the republic or democracy.

They don't even care that they are selling out human rights. They are part of what at some point, we should realize is the ultimate betrayal involving only sheer, outright greed.

K & R & TY for Assange & you, Hissyspit.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
60. Indeed, they are. This is the very sorry state of the union, our gov't itself has been bought and
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:10 PM
Mar 2015

no longer represents the people.

(Edited to add, there are but a few lone voices in our party that cannot win anything for the masses without a return to rule of law and accountability, starting first with campaign finance reform & a reversal of corporate personhood by our highest court.)

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
19. New York TImes article
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:17 PM
Mar 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/business/trans-pacific-partnership-seen-as-door-for-foreign-suits-against-us.html?smid=tw-share

The chapter in the draft of the trade deal, dated Jan. 20, 2015, and obtained by The New York Times in collaboration with the group WikiLeaks, is certain to kindle opposition from both the political left and the right. The sensitivity of the issue is reflected in the fact that the cover mandates that the chapter not be declassified until four years after the Trans-Pacific Partnership comes into force or trade negotiations end, should the agreement fail.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
20. President Obama really supports this?
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:20 PM
Mar 2015

Why on earth would anybody want to give foreign corporations sovereignty over our country and it's environmental and labor laws?

How is this rationalized as a good thing for us? (or any other target nation for that matter)

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
24. Call your Senators, Representatives and Whitehouse to express your opposition to this global
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 08:52 PM
Mar 2015

corporate coup' d'états.

Whitehouse Comments: 202-456-1111

United States Capitol switchboard: 202-224-3121

mahina

(17,751 posts)
30. Without a call or letter or both, the rest is just hot air
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:12 PM
Mar 2015

Thank you for getting us to the point. Every day!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. The same tribunals are in NAFTA and are used by European Union nations. Who writes this BS?
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

Philip Morris has been trying to stop Australia's tobacco packaging law for 4 years. They still haven't been successful.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
46. Ask Robert Reich.. He still feels NAFTA was good, but didn't go far enough
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:16 PM
Mar 2015

Last edited Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:11 AM - Edit history (1)

with worker rights and environmental issues -- exactly what Obama is trying to correct with TPP.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
51. I haven't seen any documentation that shows that NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, have done anything
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:48 AM
Mar 2015

to help American workers. And let's be honest, the American workers are hurting so obviously nothing has done much good.

"exactly what Obama is trying to correct with TPP" And you know that how? Because he told you? Why doesn't he want to tell us what's in the agreement? We've seen parts of the document leaked and some Congressional representatives have seen parts and NO ONE has said that it will help the 99%. You are going completely on FAITH.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. American workers might be hurting worse if we do nothing. Fact is, world is changing.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:18 AM
Mar 2015

Actually Obama has told us, you just don't care to listen or trust him.

To repeat what I have posted before, I'm still convinced Obama will not endorse a final agreement that sells us down the river. I know there are plenty who thought he'd gut Social Security, push the pipeline, work against net neutrality, etc., but he hasn't.

And I believe Obama when he responded to Matt Yglesias a few weeks ago by saying: "Where Americans have a legitimate reason to be concerned is that in part this rise has taken place on the backs of an international system in which China wasn't carrying its own weight or following the rules of the road and we were, and in some cases we got the short end of the stick. This is part of the debate that we're having right now in terms of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade deal that, you know, we've been negotiating. There are a lot of people who look at the last 20 years and say, 'Why would we want another trade deal that hasn't been good for American workers? It allowed outsourcing of American companies locating jobs in low-wage China and then selling it back to Walmart. And, yes, we got cheaper sneakers, but we also lost all our jobs.'"

"And my argument is two-fold. Number one: precisely because that horse is out of the barn, the issue we're trying to deal with right now is, can we make for a higher bar on labor, on environmental standards, et cetera, in that region and write a set of rules where it's fairer, because right now it's not fair, and if you want to improve it, that means we need a new trading regime. We can't just rely on the old one because the old one isn't working for us."

"But the second reason it's important is because the countries we're negotiating with are the same countries that China is trying to negotiate with. And if we don't write the rules out there, China's going to write the rules. And the geopolitical implications of China writing the rules for trade or maritime law or any kind of commercial activity almost inevitably means that we will be cut out or we will be deeply disadvantaged. Our businesses will be disadvantaged, our workers will be disadvantaged. So when I hear, when I talk to labor organizations, I say, right now, we've been hugely disadvantaged. Why would we want to maintain the status quo? If we can organize a new trade deal in which a country like Vietnam for the first time recognizes labor rights and those are enforceable, that's a big deal. It doesn't mean that we're still not going to see wage differentials between us and them, but they're already selling here for the most part. And what we have the opportunity to do is to set long-term trends that keep us in the game in a place that we've got to be. . . . . . ."

http://www.vox.com/a/barack-obama-interview-vox-conversation/obama-foreign-policy-transcript

sendero

(28,552 posts)
58. If I had a dollar..
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:22 AM
Mar 2015

.... for every time a politician sold us out while claiming it was for our benefit I could retire.

I see, after watching him elevate into power the bad actors that have wrecked our economy, no reason to trust Obama on this, none at all.

He talks really well. His actions are what matters.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
36. K&R. We had heard this type of Multinational Superpower was in the text.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:58 PM
Mar 2015

It is sad to see how strong the language is and hard to imagine how any Democrat could support it.

We heard lots of Job Creation platitudes about NAFTA that proved such a disaster in reality.

I hope this will be roundly defeated.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
48. The provision, as bolded, seems unconstitutionally vague AND ambiguous.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:59 PM
Mar 2015

A proper judiciary would throw out such a treaty as unenforceable.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
64. "multinational corporations can force governments to pay compensation ..for claimed FUTURE profits"?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:50 PM
Mar 2015

Hard to see how any country would sign up to that. Compensation for "claimed future profits".. sounds like science fiction to me.

Matilda

(6,384 posts)
66. Thank you, Wikileaks!
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:57 PM
Apr 2015

Australia is also a signatory to this, and it could also have an impact on our Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS), which allows us access to subsidised pharmaceuticals. That will affect every Australian, never mind any other clause of the TPP.

It's terribly wrong that our governments can sign these agreements which will affect every one of us at some time without telling us what is in it. It's very clear that we, the people, will not benefit in any way.

It's a given that Tony Abbott is an idiot, and we shouldn't be surprised at anything he does, but what's Obama's excuse?

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
67. The usual:
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:08 AM
Apr 2015

> what's Obama's excuse?

Politician on the way out wanting to ensure that his "nest egg" is sufficiently supersized ...

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