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Omaha Steve

(99,845 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:41 AM Mar 2015

Mercedes plant has highest per-hour labor cost in U.S.; VW and BMW pay least

Source: Auto News

DETROIT (Reuters) -- Workers at Daimler AG's Mercedes-Benz plant in Vance, Ala., have the highest hourly pay and benefits among employees at U.S. car factories while Volkswagen and BMW workers earn the least, a study shows.

Daimler workers earn an average of $65 an hour while employees at Volkswagen's Chattanooga plant are paid an average of $38 per hour and workers at BMW's Spartanburg, S.C., factory earn $39 an hour, a study of 2014 labor costs by the Center for Automotive Research shows.

Labor costs at General Motors' U.S. plants including benefits are $58 per hour. Ford Motor Co. is right behind GM at $57 per hour while employees at Fiat Chrysler Automobiles earn $48 per hour, reflecting the much higher percentage of lower-paid, entry-level workers at FCA.

The study was released as UAW officials prepare for contract talks with the Detroit 3. GM, Ford and FCA are the only automakers in the CAR report whose U.S. workers are represented by the UAW.

FULL story at link.



Daimler's Alabama plant, shown, has about 2,500 full-time and 1,000 temporary workers.



Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20150324/COPY01/303249971/mercedes-plant-has-highest-per-hour-labor-cost-in-u-s-vw-and-bmw-pay



Items that contribute to auto cost per hour:

Base wage

Overtime

Health Ins

Pension

Social Security

FICA

Sick pay

Vacation pay

Down time such as line equipment that failed or lack of parts. Lack of parts was in the HBO film "The Last Truck".

PAID FMLA (varies per employer)

On the job training for safety, new model changes, etc.

What did I forget?

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Mercedes plant has highest per-hour labor cost in U.S.; VW and BMW pay least (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2015 OP
All wages higher than many jobs. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #1
Could a plant open for only 4 years have less legacy cost Travis_0004 Mar 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueJazz Mar 2015 #3
NOT PLUS Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #4
I'm an idiot. (sometimes) BlueJazz Mar 2015 #8
Depending on any given flame war Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #9
The article is a bit confusing.. freebrew Mar 2015 #5
Auto Worker Salaries fact check.org Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #7
"Snip: Labor Costs Aren’t the Same as Wages Earned" freebrew Mar 2015 #10
heres a real simple way that benefit contributions top dollars earned pasto76 Mar 2015 #16
My benefit costs were higher than my wages too Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #22
The benchmark was set by many years of unionized collective bargaining. Snotcicles Mar 2015 #6
Agree 100%.... in fact my grandfather helped get the ball rolling groundloop Mar 2015 #11
Most white collar manufacturing folks realize the value of a unionized workforce. Snotcicles Mar 2015 #15
Yes, exacty! mountain grammy Mar 2015 #17
They're still pulling that same sleight of hand Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #12
+1 n/t Alkene Mar 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author pasto76 Mar 2015 #14
The mechanics who fix them at dealerships make $25.00-$32.00 an hour. GETPLANING Mar 2015 #18
thanks for breaking down awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #19
Nobody has mentioned a non-union plant has the highest cost yet Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #20
Real German Cars are built in GERMANY not AL or SC or TN, Stike One anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #21
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
2. Could a plant open for only 4 years have less legacy cost
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

Also the average employee is newer, and less experienced and makes less. Most of the employees were hired in 2011 I would assume.

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Omaha Steve

(99,845 posts)
4. NOT PLUS
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:59 AM
Mar 2015

Those are the total factors in the cost per hour! Pay tops out around $28 for long time workers.



freebrew

(1,917 posts)
5. The article is a bit confusing..
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:00 PM
Mar 2015

it says the Mercedes people are getting paid $65 per hour. Then later compares to Detroit's labor cost per hour.

You even as much as pointed that out. I find it hard to believe the $65 per hour figure as 'pay' to the employee.

Omaha Steve

(99,845 posts)
7. Auto Worker Salaries fact check.org
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:05 PM
Mar 2015

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/

Snip: The problem is, that’s just not true. The automakers say that the average wage earned by its unionized workers is about $29 per hour. So how does that climb to more than $70? Add in benefits: life insurance, health care, pension and so on. But not just the benefits that the current workers actually receive – after all, it’s pretty rare for the value of a benefits package to add up to more than wages paid, even with a really, really good health plan in place. What’s causing the number to balloon is the cost of providing benefits to tens of thousands of retired auto workers and their surviving spouses.

Snip: Labor Costs Aren’t the Same as Wages Earned

The result is the per-hour labor cost to the automakers, which is very different from "pay" or "wages" or even "wages and benefits" earned by their workers. As David Leonhardt pointed out in the New York Times (countering, in a sense, the earlier piece by Sorkin), the average GM, Ford and Chrysler worker receives compensation – wages, bonuses, overtime and paid time off – of about $40 an hour. Add in benefits such as health insurance and pensions and you get to about $55. Another $15 or so in benefits to retirees (known as "legacy costs&quot brings the number to roughly $70.

That last figure accounts for the biggest difference between labor costs of the Big Two and a Half and those of the "transplants," as foreign carmakers with manufacturing facilities on U.S. soil are called. Ford, in material it submitted to Congress for hearings this month (see "Congressional Submission Appendix (PPT)&quot , estimated the transplants’ legacy costs at about $3 per hour, a number that has less to do with the level of benefits paid than it does with the fact that the transplants don’t have many retirees yet, according to economist Kristin Dziczek of the Center for Automotive Research.

The Ford chart also estimates that, as a result of a historic 2007 labor agreement with the UAW, the legacy costs of the U.S. automakers are expected to fall – to about $3 per hour. That’s because the deal calls for a new voluntary employee beneficiary association (or VEBA), a seldom-used 100-year-old tax loophole. A VEBA is a tax-exempt trust that can be used to fund almost any sort of employee benefit, but they are most commonly used to pay for health care expenses.

FULL story at link.


freebrew

(1,917 posts)
10. "Snip: Labor Costs Aren’t the Same as Wages Earned"
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:15 PM
Mar 2015

Exactly. The article stated that the Mercedes employees were getting PAID $65.
Other references were made to labor COST. Different animals, IMHO.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
16. heres a real simple way that benefit contributions top dollars earned
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 01:02 PM
Mar 2015

retirements. Some ironworker locals are pumping as much as 12 bucks an hour into retirement, because they are underwater. Plus twelve bucks for health insurance. Not many locals have vacation funds any longer, but if they do its another couple bucks an hour.

I understand you are doubting that the benefit contributions are 2x the take home wage, and yes that seems high. The article may be misusing terminology to muddy the waters between COSTS and WAGES for sure. I have no doubt that the COSTS of the guys I had on the job I ran last year were 80 bucks an hour - yes, we were more than $500K in the hole on that one - to a take home wage of 24.80 back then, plus 15 more an hour in benefit contributions. I think 'total package' as we call it can easily be 50/50 these days. Some guys in the ironworker world have worked 30-40 years and basically are going to get almost zero pension.

Omaha Steve

(99,845 posts)
22. My benefit costs were higher than my wages too
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 10:38 PM
Mar 2015

Just the health insurance was $16,318.11 (12b dd on w2) for 11 months. I retired at the end of November or it would have been $17,801.57.

My HC is locked in until I get Medicare or die. Most of you already know I probably won't last long enough to get to Medicare. Marta will lose her HC when that happens.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
6. The benchmark was set by many years of unionized collective bargaining.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:04 PM
Mar 2015

Although there are non-union workers who enjoy those wages, they came after the unionized workers gained those standards.
Removal of unions will erode those benchmarks.

groundloop

(11,532 posts)
11. Agree 100%.... in fact my grandfather helped get the ball rolling
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:29 PM
Mar 2015

My grandfather participated in the sit-down strikes that forced GM to recognize the UAW. I remember hearing about how my grandmother and many of the other wives took baskets of food to the plant and handed them through windows to the strikers (being careful to avoid the police and private security). Although I'm in a "white-collar" profession I fully support unions and recognize the fact that gains made by unions are beneficial to all workers.
 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
15. Most white collar manufacturing folks realize the value of a unionized workforce.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 01:00 PM
Mar 2015

They support them and bargain in good faith.
As a matter of fact I grew up in Flint not far from those Fisher body plants you mentioned.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
12. They're still pulling that same sleight of hand
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:41 PM
Mar 2015

Inflating employee's hourly "wage" rates by adding every single labor related balance sheet item in order to make it seem like the employees are pampered. That, and inflame an intra-class war by inciting ignorant rubes who make less to be envious and angry at the former.

Notice how though, compensation of executives are conversely low-balled, mostly by omitting all their stock options and other executive perks.

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awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
19. thanks for breaking down
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 02:40 PM
Mar 2015

what constitutes hourly pay. Some hear $60 an hour and freak out. They don't take that home.

Omaha Steve

(99,845 posts)
20. Nobody has mentioned a non-union plant has the highest cost yet
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:03 PM
Mar 2015

Only to keep the unions out. So yes unions raise ALL auto plant jobs wages.

 

anotojefiremnesuka

(198 posts)
21. Real German Cars are built in GERMANY not AL or SC or TN, Stike One
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 04:46 AM
Mar 2015

All are built with NON UNION Labor, Strike 2

All are built in Red States, Strike 3

No self respecting supporter of labor would even consider buying one of the cars built here.

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