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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:11 PM Mar 2015

Howard Dean endorses Garcia over Rahm for Chicago mayor

Last edited Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Chicago Sun-Times



WASHINGTON – Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor, Democratic National Committee chairman and presidential candidate endorsed Jesus “Chuy” Garcia over Rahm Emanuel for Chicago mayor on Thursday.

Important back story: When Emanuel was the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, he stuck it to Dean in 2006 – when Dean was the DNC chair. Emanuel wanted Dean to funnel millions of dollars to help House candidates. Emanuel taunted Dean’s “50 State Strategy” and a leaked story about how little Emanuel thought of Dean found its way into print.

Now, back to the present: Enough with the payback. What could this mean?

Dean throwing himself in the mix adds a high-profile progressive voice to Garcia’s team and hits at Emanuel’s vulnerability that was so apparent in the February primary – Emanuel’s lack of a strong ground game to spur turnout in wards where he had supporters.

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Read more: http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/435595/howard-dean-endorses-garcia-rahm-chicago-mayor



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Howard Dean endorses Garcia over Rahm for Chicago mayor (Original Post) Starry Messenger Mar 2015 OP
After backing (shudder!) Our Next President™, MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #1
Or, more charitably, it's a signal from the Clinton camp that it is distancing from the Rahm wing? Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #2
I did my little part MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #5
Thank you! Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #8
Me, too. madfloridian Mar 2015 #14
!!! MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #16
Oh Manny... cui bono Mar 2015 #18
Manny's lying about the contribution. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #49
He never disappoints. cui bono Mar 2015 #56
I just sent a donation to Garcia as well.. Joe_michigan Mar 2015 #48
Thank you everyone who donated! Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #62
Me three! Lifelong Protester Mar 2015 #52
Good luck with that. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #83
This does not seem PRAGMATIC HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #3
Rather harsh DFW Mar 2015 #50
A little harsh, but not totally nuts MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #63
To be fair, Comcast pays Dr. Dean AngryAmish Mar 2015 #67
rubbish dolphinsandtuna Mar 2015 #87
Welcome to DU, dolphinsandtuna! calimary Mar 2015 #90
Howard does try to balance his idealism and his pragmatism. He now also has nothing to lose. DFW Mar 2015 #89
Ha. Remember when Rahm yelled and cursed at Dean? I do. Never forgotten. madfloridian Mar 2015 #4
*thumbsup* Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #6
Gotta love the quote that begins with "no disrespect" and ends with "That's fucking bullshit". cui bono Mar 2015 #19
Rahm's an arrogant prick and I could not be happier to see him whathehell Mar 2015 #36
+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #37
Yeah, Rahm is an idiot.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #41
I appreciate your posts! So much knowledge. Such good recollection. Thanks. merrily Mar 2015 #92
He sure did stick it to Dean then, elleng Mar 2015 #7
OK, you know that they are fitting the cement shoes for Dean DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #9
I have a hard time imagining that Clinton didn't know that DFA has been supporting Garcia. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #10
Don't hold your breath waiting for HRC to endorse Garcia! Divernan Mar 2015 #45
She sounded like Steppin Fetchit. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #68
How about comparing being a Senator when Republicans were in the majority to merrily Mar 2015 #93
Yup! Foot, meet mouth! Plus another interesting development. Divernan Mar 2015 #94
When Webb wrote his book on the Scots Irish, he did a book tour. I happened to catch his visit merrily Mar 2015 #113
You make good points about Webb. Divernan Mar 2015 #115
Maybe not really relevant. I got a donation request just yesterday from DFA to TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #47
Dean is a populist that many respect, that's what it means, and he wants a win in Chicago. freshwest Mar 2015 #11
It's a powerful endorsement. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #12
Rahm is not Machine. ieoeja Mar 2015 #57
Great history, thanks! Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #59
Only on the southside. ieoeja Mar 2015 #60
Rahm says his first foray in politics was with Paul Simon HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #82
Great read! bravenak Mar 2015 #26
ProSense posted the best stuff! Hey, better watch out for TEOTWAWKI on another thread. freshwest Mar 2015 #32
Oh, no. When are we all going to die? bravenak Mar 2015 #33
Just so long as we *all go together* I always say! freshwest Mar 2015 #34
Yes! We want a real Democrat!!! Go, go Garcia!! AllyCat Mar 2015 #13
I would think so! Cha Mar 2015 #15
Cool marym625 Mar 2015 #17
Don't. cui bono Mar 2015 #20
ok. marym625 Mar 2015 #22
I would vote for Chuy if I lived there as well. cui bono Mar 2015 #24
I miss the palm trees om lake Michigan marym625 Mar 2015 #25
When I read the title of your reply it made me think of when Faux Noise was reporting on cui bono Mar 2015 #31
I think the fake Wisconsin marym625 Mar 2015 #40
palm trees on Lake Michigan ?! steve2470 Mar 2015 #72
They also removed the big ones in the winter marym625 Mar 2015 #76
it was next to the Loop. I forget exactly which one, long time ago steve2470 Mar 2015 #77
Cool! I imparted wisdom! marym625 Mar 2015 #78
I'll come back one day, Chicago's a fun place steve2470 Mar 2015 #80
sounds great! summer in Chicago is THE BEST! n/t marym625 Mar 2015 #81
my daughter used to work there. oak street beachstro. mopinko Mar 2015 #97
It's a great little place. marym625 Mar 2015 #99
not forever. mopinko Mar 2015 #101
Daley was great about beautification marym625 Mar 2015 #102
they give you zip but a spot on the beach. mopinko Mar 2015 #103
I'm sorry. You lost me. marym625 Mar 2015 #104
it was part of what the restaurant had to provide in order mopinko Mar 2015 #105
AH! marym625 Mar 2015 #106
I hope he makes a difference marym625 Mar 2015 #38
I don't feel anything but Unknown Beatle Mar 2015 #29
When did he say that? marym625 Mar 2015 #39
Here you go Bradical79 Mar 2015 #43
Thank you for the link and info. n/t marym625 Mar 2015 #79
Bravo Dr. Dean! SoapBox Mar 2015 #21
I like the feeling Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2015 #23
Starry Messenger - thanks for the donation link Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2015 #27
Awesome! Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #28
Someone told me shortly after the first vote that almost all unions endorsed Rahm. ieoeja Mar 2015 #55
He's been endorsed by building trades unions, which are notoriously business-minded. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #58
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #30
we should all contribute a dead fish to Rahm yurbud Mar 2015 #35
Oh please Chicago tartan2 Mar 2015 #42
Rahm's true color (Green) is coming through IDemo Mar 2015 #44
SEIU has been mulling changing its decision to stay neutral Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #46
Rahm has hated Howard's guts since the famous shouting match of 2006. DFW Mar 2015 #51
DFW That was awful of Rahm. He was horrible. I posted more details. madfloridian Mar 2015 #61
Rahm should have been thrown out from the beginning, in 2006. android fan Mar 2015 #85
2006 was too early to be able to get rid of him DFW Mar 2015 #88
Howard Dean, making us proud of Democrats once again. lark Mar 2015 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #54
Good. K&R nt TBF Mar 2015 #64
, blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #65
No surprise I still think Rahm is why Obama marlakay Mar 2015 #66
News like this makes up for a lot of frustrating developments (nt) Babel_17 Mar 2015 #69
I'm glued to this election to keep me sane through some other stuff dominating the news cycle! Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #73
Shakespeare line of the day... nikto Mar 2015 #70
Hopefully, Rahm will WIPE-OUT in the election... nikto Mar 2015 #71
Good. But Rahm is going to win and it might not be close. Drunken Irishman Mar 2015 #74
Being forced into a history making run-off is already a loss Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #75
The only people who worry about whether there is a mandate are the losers alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #96
historic how? mopinko Mar 2015 #98
I tend to agree alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #95
I think Chuy gets more votes since Cook County President,Toni Preckwinkle, finally endorsed him, too ancianita Mar 2015 #84
I can't find her endorsement anywhere. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2015 #91
You are so right. I saw a Facebook OP and assumed she did, but she hasn't. Thanks. ancianita Mar 2015 #100
Rahm puke dolphinsandtuna Mar 2015 #86
That damned Rahm! Stellar Mar 2015 #107
Howard who? Badass Liberal Mar 2015 #108
"Chuy" what is that polynomial Mar 2015 #109
Um no, exactly none of that. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #112
Do we know who Dukakis endorsed? Badass Liberal Mar 2015 #110
And you are? Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #111
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #114
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. After backing (shudder!) Our Next President™,
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:16 PM
Mar 2015

Dean must have put his finger up in the air and realized that the winds have shifted hard.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
2. Or, more charitably, it's a signal from the Clinton camp that it is distancing from the Rahm wing?
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:19 PM
Mar 2015

Or it could be revenge, like the article suggests? Whatever the reason, I'll take a large name behind Garcia for this election. Rahm is outfundraising 13-1, last I read.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
83. Good luck with that.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:15 PM
Mar 2015

At most they've come to see (about 20 years too late) that Rahm himself has become radioactive (gee why would the vengeful baby-eating routine finally backfire?). Rhetoric may be played with but the camp's politics ain't going to change, can't after all these years and service to corporations and MIC.

DFW

(54,465 posts)
50. Rather harsh
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:48 PM
Mar 2015

Howard is the last Democrat about whom one could say he puts his finger up to test the wind. He never got to be president, or even our nominee, precisely because he too often spoke his mind for the tastes of TPTB. He says what is on his mind. He couldn't care less which way the wind is blowing, never did. Otherwise, he would have gone with brother Jim if he had felt it "expedient."

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
63. A little harsh, but not totally nuts
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:00 PM
Mar 2015

I'd argue that the only people who don't test the wind are true idealogues, and not too many exist in politics. The difference is in what they do once they know the wind speed and direction.

Dr. Dean seems to be a pragmatist. I think he has an idea of where he wants things to go, and will walk into a breeze but not a hurricane. I'm guessing this is why he's going with Hillary, who's probably precisely not who Dean was referring to when he used to speak of the Democratic Wing of our party. But perhaps he's beginning to see that Hurricane Hillary and the rest of that crowd, e.g. Rahm, are less a hurricane, and more an electric fan.

calimary

(81,557 posts)
90. Welcome to DU, dolphinsandtuna!
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:05 PM
Mar 2015

Glad you're here! AGREED! I'm STILL a dyed-in-the-wool Howard Dean fan. I STILL think that was the best decision for 2004.

And who the hell cares if Comcast is paying him? To do what? Be a recurring character on MSNBC's shows? And this is a bad thing? How is this a bad thing? I watch a lot of MSNBC and I never see him spouting the corporate message. I've never seen him doing anything of the kind. On the other hand, he's getting FACE TIME. This is giving him FACE TIME, and keeping him in the public eye and the spotlight, keeping him and what he says - RELEVANT. He's no wholly-owned subsidiary, like tim russert turned out to be, and how david gregory turned out to be, and we all know chuck todd is. I've never seen any evidence whatsoever to back an assumption that because Howard Dean is getting paid by Comcast or anywhere - he's now pushing the Gospel According to Comcast. It simply isn't happening.

Hey, if we can use their money to help get OUR guys back on the air frequently, and get OUR message out, then I'm all for it.

DFW

(54,465 posts)
89. Howard does try to balance his idealism and his pragmatism. He now also has nothing to lose.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:24 PM
Mar 2015

He doesn't need money unless he mounts another campaign, or retakes the DNC chair. Warren isn't running and Bernie is not a member of the party. Hillary hasn't yet said she ISN'T running, and although Howard would never tell me what they discuss in private, I believe him when he says she is absolutely not yet decided. One caveat here--this is from having breakfast with him Jan. 7, just us two. Two months have passed, and I haven't discussed the subject with him since. She may be singing a different tune now, and it could go either way.

I suspect (based on nothing, please note) that Hillary knows full well what would be expected of her if nominated and elected, beyond walking on water and turning lead into gold. She may not be interested in being elected just to get crapped on because of it. Whether or not this is the case, I would definitely expect her to have this kind of discussion with Howard, and she is probably less than thrilled with Howard's answers, since he'll give it to her straight. If Howard had told her "you're brilliant, you're wonderful, you have nothing to worry about," I suspect her candidacy would have been announced long before now. As things stand now, I'm still not totally convinced it ever will be.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
4. Ha. Remember when Rahm yelled and cursed at Dean? I do. Never forgotten.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:20 PM
Mar 2015
Rahm in The Thumpin: "We have no base." Said only thing matters is who can win.

Certainly Emanuel holds no such romantic notions that there even exists such a base of voters loyal to core Democratic values. He is adamant that "we have no base!," a view that clearly guided his strategy for selecting candidates. As Bendavid writes, "he would not support the most loyal Democrats, or those whose populism was purist. His only criterion, he said, was who could win." This kind of single-minded, values-be-damned vision is anathema to some on the party's left. Writing for The Nation after the election, John Nichols complained that "many of the Democrats who prevailed on November 7 did so despite Emanuel's efforts, not because of them" and argues that liberal candidates could have won had Emanuel made the decision to support them. Yet as Bendavid points out, "of the 30 candidates who took seats from the Republicans, about 20 had been nurtured, funded, advised, and yelled at by Emanuel for months. Perhaps a half dozen had been supported by grassroots activists with little help from the DCCC."

Howard Dean was chair during that time. Rahm simply appeared to despise him. He screamed at him, treated him rudely. Once that we know of for sure Rahm cussed Dean out.

"The relationship that epitomizes the rift between Emanuel and the party base is the congressman's tenuous partnership with Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean. As the book relates, Emanuel spent most of the campaign furious with Dean, whose Fifty State Strategy to build up party infrastructure nationwide he saw as little more than a way to throw money to the wind. In May 2006, Emanuel and Senator Charles Schumer, his counterpart in the Senate, met with Dean to ask for more money for their respective campaigns. Banging his hand on the table, Emanuel chided Dean's grassroots plan, "No disrespect, but some of us are arrogant enough, we come from Chicago, we think we know what it means to knock on a door. You're nowhere Howard. Your field plan is not a field plan. That's fucking bullshit." The two wouldn't speak again until election time.


We won all 3 wings for a while at least when Dean was chair.

I just donated through Act Blue to Rahm's opponent. Haven't donated for ages, but when I got the email just couldn't resist.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
6. *thumbsup*
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:24 PM
Mar 2015

I gave $100 last month, and my husband threw in $250. Rahm was wrong to stomp on progressives and teachers. He was wrong to treat Dean with such disrespect.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
19. Gotta love the quote that begins with "no disrespect" and ends with "That's fucking bullshit".
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:33 AM
Mar 2015

What a tool. "We have no base!" ??? Um, yes, we have a base Rahm, you told them to STFU, remember?

whathehell

(29,100 posts)
36. Rahm's an arrogant prick and I could not be happier to see him
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:35 AM
Mar 2015

getting a run for his money on the mayoral. I live in the Chicago 'burbs and am on a

GOTV call List for Chuy Garcia.

I can't wait to see Garcia win -- Rahm is overdue for a humbling experience.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
41. Yeah, Rahm is an idiot....
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 07:05 AM
Mar 2015

And we need Dean back at the DNC. Wasserman-Schultz has been a disaster.

elleng

(131,275 posts)
7. He sure did stick it to Dean then,
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:24 PM
Mar 2015

and when I asked rahm about Dean's 50 state strategy, when rahm was discussing his (rahm's) book about election strategy, he made a face and ignored the question.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
9. OK, you know that they are fitting the cement shoes for Dean
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:25 PM
Mar 2015

No way Hillary will be happy that Rahm, one of her partners in the Obama admin. will be going down, especially as it will ruin her centrist narrative.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
10. I have a hard time imagining that Clinton didn't know that DFA has been supporting Garcia.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:35 PM
Mar 2015

Perhaps Rahm is being cut loose as a liability, given the mood among unions to withhold $ from candidates who are working to hurt labor?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/unions-to-fight-trade-pact-by-freezing-donations-1426029735

I'm just speculating. I'm feeling optimistic about this endorsement though.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
45. Don't hold your breath waiting for HRC to endorse Garcia!
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:10 AM
Mar 2015

Although it would be a very good strategic move on her part. As per her 2008 campaign, she's not good at effective strategy.

I'm waiting for her to address an Hispanic gathering and fake a Hispanic accent! She got a lot of bad press for faking a southern accent w/black dialect in her 2008 campaign, but apparently remains clueless on how offensive it was. In 2013, she did it again. Yup, Hillary Clinton was ‘no ways tired’ of offensive fake accents. Word on twitter was that she used it again when she spoke in front of an African-American sorority about George Zimmerman and Treyvon Martin.

Also don't hold your breath waiting for her to "cut loose" Rahm. The two of them are soul mates. If he is not re-elected mayor, he'll be on her campaign team ASAP.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
93. How about comparing being a Senator when Republicans were in the majority to
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:45 PM
Mar 2015

being on "the plantation?" And then, there was the "racially charged" primary campaign.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
94. Yup! Foot, meet mouth! Plus another interesting development.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:50 PM
Mar 2015

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review endorsed Hilary in 2008 when uber-conservative Richard Scaiffe was the publisher and she asked for his endorsement. But today, it ran a long and extremely flattering article about Jim Webb's chances of being elected president. Hah! Kiss that one good-bye, HRC!

Former Senator Webb explores presidential bid, tests populist message


http://triblive.com/politics/politicalheadlines/7948450-74/webb-former-populist#axzz3UQzRkuTp

merrily

(45,251 posts)
113. When Webb wrote his book on the Scots Irish, he did a book tour. I happened to catch his visit
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 03:08 AM
Mar 2015

to one TV show where he spoke of "white culture." And then, there is his Reaganite background and his attitude toward women.

I don't think his candidacy will go anywhere. I am not even sure it is intended to go anywhere. But, a primary challenger like Webb sure is about perfect from the standpoint of the Hillary camp. If I were on her team, I'd even donate to him.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
115. You make good points about Webb.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 08:23 AM
Mar 2015

But consider this aspect of his candidacy. If there is a Democratic primary with Webb, HRC & a relatively progressive candidate (like O'Malley), Webb & Clinton will divide up the third way vote, increasing the odds for any more progressive candidate. At least that's what I've seen in other primaries (not just presidential ones) with 3 or more candidates. Candidates with the same political philosophy hurt each other's chances. Their egos and personal ambitions outweigh any desire they have to further the political goals they share. This can also happen if you have 2 progressive dems and one third way, well-financed corporate puppet running.

My hope is that Webb's willingness to challenge HRC will destroy her PR campaign (She's inevitable! She's invincible! And gosh darn it, it's her turn!) & encourage progressive Dem politicians to enter the primary, and encourage progressive Dem voters to offer their campaign support to new candidates.

TheKentuckian

(25,034 posts)
47. Maybe not really relevant. I got a donation request just yesterday from DFA to
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:55 AM
Mar 2015

encourage Warren to run just yesterday so it isn't always a same voice thing.

Anyway, it is a good endorsement for all, I don't know if Dean would ever find his way out of the doghouse if he endorsed Rahm of course but actually going against him has to be a rep plus for those outside the circle of "very serious people".

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. Dean is a populist that many respect, that's what it means, and he wants a win in Chicago.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:37 PM
Mar 2015

Populist mayors are on the rise. His other big endorsement is well known but not much remarked upon. This is an important trend for all progressives:

The Revolt of the Cities



During the past 20 years, immigrants and young people have transformed the demographics of urban America. Now, they’re transforming its politics and mapping the future of liberalism.


~ Harold Meyerson

Pittsburgh is the perfect urban laboratory,” says Bill Peduto, the city’s new mayor. “We’re small enough to be able to do things and large enough for people to take notice.” More than its size, however, it’s Pittsburgh’s new government—Peduto and the five like-minded progressives who now constitute a majority on its city council—that is turning the city into a laboratory of democracy. In his first hundred days as mayor, Peduto has sought funding to establish universal pre-K education and partnered with a Swedish sustainable-technology fund to build four major developments with low carbon footprints and abundant affordable housing. Even before he became mayor, while still a council member, he steered to passage ordinances that mandated prevailing wages for employees on any project that received city funding and required local hiring for the jobs in the Pittsburgh Penguins’ new arena. He authored the city’s responsible-banking law, which directed government funds to those banks that lent in poor neighborhoods and away from those that didn’t...

Peduto, who is 49 years old, sees improving the lot of Pittsburgh’s new working class as his primary charge. In his city hall office, surrounded by such artifacts as a radio cabinet from the years when the city became home to the world’s first radio station, the new mayor outlined the task before him. “My grandfather, Sam Zarroli, came over in 1921 from Abruzzo,” he said. “He only had a second-grade education, but he was active in the Steel Workers Organizing Committee in its early years, and he made a good life for himself and his family. My challenge in today’s economy is how to get good jobs for people with no PhDs but with a good work ethic and GEDs. How do I get them the same kind of opportunities my grandfather had? All the mayors elected last year are asking this question.”

They are indeed. The mayoral and council class of 2013 is one of the most progressive cohorts of elected officials in recent American history. In one major city after another, newly elected officials are planning to raise the minimum wage or enact ordinances boosting wages in developments that have received city assistance. They are drafting legislation to require inner-city hiring on major projects and foster unionization in hotels, stores, and trucking. They are seeking the funds to establish universal pre-K and other programs for infants and toddlers. They are sketching the layout of new transit lines that will bring jobs and denser development to neighborhoods both poor and middle-class and reduce traffic and pollution in the bargain. They are—if they haven’t done so already—forbidding their police from cooperating with federal immigration authorities in the deportation of undocumented immigrants not convicted of felonies and requiring their police to have video or audio records of their encounters with the public. They are, in short, enacting at the municipal level many of the major policy changes that progressives have found themselves unable to enact at the federal and state levels. They also may be charting a new course for American liberalism.

New York’s Mayor Bill de Blasio has dominated the national press corps’ coverage of the new urban liberalism. His battles to establish citywide pre-K (successful but not funded, as he wished, by a dedicated tax on the wealthy), expand paid sick days (also successful), raise the minimum wage (blocked by the governor and legislature), and reform the police department’s stop-and-frisk policy (by dropping an appeal of a court order) have been extensively chronicled. But de Blasio is just one of a host of mayors elected last year who campaigned and now govern with similar populist agendas. The list also includes Pittsburgh’s Peduto, Minneapolis’s Betsy Hodges, Seattle’s Ed Murray, Boston’s Martin Walsh, Santa Fe’s Javier Gonzales...“We all ran on similar platforms,” Peduto says. “There wasn’t communication among us. It just emerged organically that way. We all faced the reality of growing disparities. The population beneath the poverty line is increasing everywhere. A lot of us were underdogs, populists, reformers, and the public was ready for us.”

Much more at the link:

http://prospect.org/article/revolt-cities

The thread recieved no attention, but the link details a lot of what is going and not covered by national media

to ProSense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024859982#op

This is real grassroots, and something Dean excells at doing. He's honest and direct, saying truths many don't want to hear. His goal is to get majorities, my dream is to see a new Democratic majority such as we had in the 1970s. Garcia is a very good Democrat and will be better than Rahm who has closed schools and not listened to public workers like he should.

BTW, Willie Nelson has also endorsed Garcia.

And the article is wrong about it being payback. That's not the way that Dean operates. Most articles, shows, etc. are biased, so it's hard to find sources that don't play that game for the right.

I really hope that Garcia wins to restore public education in Chicago. What has been done to them under Rahm was disgusting to me.

JMHO.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
12. It's a powerful endorsement.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:49 PM
Mar 2015

It would be great to overturn the machine in Chicago the same way New York did with deBlasio.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
57. Rahm is not Machine.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:30 PM
Mar 2015

Your OP even references that fact by pointing out that he has no ground game. That is the pretty much the definition of not having a machine.

Most Chicagoans never understood the Machine. Old Man Daley pretty much let his underlings do whatever they want as long as they got out the vote for him. Many of them went to jail for doing what they wanted. Daley never lifted a finger to help them. And Daley remained untouched. Because he wasn't involved.

His son used this but did try to get things more under his control. Where his dad let the ward bosses do what the ward bosses wanted, he made some efforts to replace ward bosses. And suffered several embarassments for those efforts.

Hint: don't send southside Irish muscle to intimidate voters for a northside ward boss who spent decades involved in boxing's Golden Gloves tournament. Northside ERs ended up treating a lot of southside Irishmen that election day!

They always called it "Daley's Machine" so people always figured it was under Daley's control. But it was a Machine with many bosses who agreed to get along.

I don't know if young Daley's tampering is what damaged the Machine so much, or what. But neither of the two latest stars in Chicago politics, Obama and Rahm, were part of the Machine. Rahm's first foray into politics was with Bill Clinton. That provided him with enough Star Power to overcome the Machine. While Obama came out of a district Daley gerrymandered to keep liberal reformers segregated from the rest of the city.

I believe Chuy is actually a Machine guy. Been in city politics for a long, long time. Rahm's very first job in that regard is the one he has now: mayor. Rahm is most definitely somebody nobody sent. Chuy may never get the support of the southside Irish who seem to believe that the Machine must always have one of theirs as the front man. But I imagine the rest of the Machine will be very happy with Chuy.

You should like that, actually. Unions have always been the heart and soul of the Machine.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
59. Great history, thanks!
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:10 PM
Mar 2015

I appreciate your taking the time to provide a sketch. Civic politics in CA are hairy too, but Chicago seems to be unique in some regards.

The Irish aren't a discrete voting block here, for one. I'm Irish American and I don't think we form anything like a power grouping in CA. I'm not even sure what that would look like!

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
60. Only on the southside.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 03:17 PM
Mar 2015

Northside Irish don't care much for the southside Irish. And the feeling is mutual. The Irish don't form much of a voting bloc on Chicago's north side, and aren't part of the southside bloc.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
82. Rahm says his first foray in politics was with Paul Simon
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:34 AM
Mar 2015

How he moved from Simon to Clinton's director of fund raising isn't really clear to me. I suspect there is a story.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
25. I miss the palm trees om lake Michigan
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:09 AM
Mar 2015

I know that it could not be less important but I found them fun.

Hopefully, Chuy will bring them back

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
31. When I read the title of your reply it made me think of when Faux Noise was reporting on
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:35 AM
Mar 2015

protests "in" Wisconsin but there were palm trees in the background. That time it was because they weren't really in Wisconsin. (I think it was Wisconsin...)

I guess it could happen if there were palm trees in Chicago!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
40. I think the fake Wisconsin
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:49 AM
Mar 2015

Was also during the winter.

Every summer there were a couple palm trees at Oak Street Beech. Until Daley left office. I miss them. Was really cool driving south on Lake Shore Drive, heading into town. Just snaking on by on LSD, Friday night trouble bound. Watching the lake come into view, and then you get to about LaSalle St and there they were, palm trees!







steve2470

(37,457 posts)
72. palm trees on Lake Michigan ?!
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:57 PM
Mar 2015

I tried to go swimming in Lake Michigan, in Chicago, on Labor Day and about froze my ass off LOL

I imagine those trees froze solid.

eta: My bad

A good example of this is Chicago, Illinois. Several zip codes for the city of Chicago bring up zones 5-6. Microclimates occur in most large cities due to the urbanization effect that buildings bring about.


http://www.sunpalmtrees.com/Cold-Hardy-Palm-Trees.htm

marym625

(17,997 posts)
76. They also removed the big ones in the winter
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 08:43 AM
Mar 2015

Just took them out and brought in new ones, assume new ones, in the summer.

Where were you on the lake? Most of the areas where there are beaches, are pretty warm by labor day. Or was it just so hot out that the water felt colder than it was?

I know it's a stupid, unimportant thing to care about in an election. I surely would never vote for someone based on this. But I miss the palm trees!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
77. it was next to the Loop. I forget exactly which one, long time ago
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 08:57 AM
Mar 2015

Thanks to you, I learned palm trees can survive in Chicago! Amazing!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
78. Cool! I imparted wisdom!
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 09:07 AM
Mar 2015

My day is now a good one!

Maybe it was a cool summer. Strange it was still that cold. Yeah, the lake is pretty cool no matter what or when. Usually swimable by labor day though.

Let me know if you ever come back here.

mopinko

(70,283 posts)
97. my daughter used to work there. oak street beachstro.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:54 PM
Mar 2015

they were potted, and removed and replaced each year. the restaurant is there every summer, but since you cannot build a permanent structure there, it comes down every winter.

pretty sure they were still there last year. maybe fewer than before, but. ..

marym625

(17,997 posts)
99. It's a great little place.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:03 PM
Mar 2015

There every summer. But there were always a couple big palm trees. I was always told those were the city's doing.

I don't go to Oak Street Beach anymore. I'm sure the little ones were there. It's the big ones you could see from far away, great view on LSD, that just made it so cool.

I think that place has been there forever. I think it goes up April 15ish.

mopinko

(70,283 posts)
101. not forever.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:18 PM
Mar 2015

20 years maybe.
the palms were part of the deal. they rented them. the city makes anyone w seating on public properties adhere to certain rules about greenery and flowers.
daley.
rahm probably let them use shorter trees. those big babies are very very spendy.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
102. Daley was great about beautification
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:59 PM
Mar 2015

That was actually Maggie. The plants in the dividers on South Michigan Ave, all them. The upgrade of the river walk around Wacker.

I still thought that the park district paid for the big ones, no?

Excited for Maggie Daley park to open. Hope it's done by Blues Fest.

mopinko

(70,283 posts)
103. they give you zip but a spot on the beach.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:05 PM
Mar 2015

iow, a license to print money. they rolled in it as long as the weather was good.

mopinko

(70,283 posts)
105. it was part of what the restaurant had to provide in order
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:24 PM
Mar 2015

to get such a lucrative lease.
the city is in the drivers seat on such things, and exact lots of regs. providing greenery and flowers are part of the lease terms. on the restaurant.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
106. AH!
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:29 PM
Mar 2015

Thanks.

My family used to own that land. Entire Chicago lake front to Michigan Ave. Even the Indiana dunes. City stole it

marym625

(17,997 posts)
38. I hope he makes a difference
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:18 AM
Mar 2015

I think he will win.

I used to work in the building his office was in a few years ago. Really nice people. Trustworthy, honest. So I do have some hope. But I really wish Karen Lewis had been able to run. Whoever wins this one will have to do well or she will be a shoe in the next time

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
29. I don't feel anything but
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:19 AM
Mar 2015

disgust and revulsion for that fucking prick and he feels we as liberals are "fucking retarded". Fuck that piece of shit!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
39. When did he say that?
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 06:36 AM
Mar 2015

And how did I miss it!?

Can you please link to something about it? I appreciate the information. I honestly didn't hear that.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
27. Starry Messenger - thanks for the donation link
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:14 AM
Mar 2015

I lived in Chicago for 10 years, so it was a pleasure to donate to Mr. Chuy. Fingers crossed.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
28. Awesome!
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:17 AM
Mar 2015

I am an AFT member, the first union to commit to Garcia. I am very excited about this election. I have only been a visitor to Chicago, but I know several people who live there and are in the ground game.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
55. Someone told me shortly after the first vote that almost all unions endorsed Rahm.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:11 PM
Mar 2015

I had read that Rahm gets very passionate on the subject of unions: to wit, he hates unions with a passion. So I have been trying to find a list of union endorsements for Rahm. I have so far been unable to find even one.

Do you know if there is a list of union endorsements for this race? I know Teamsters Local #1 has endorsed Chuy.

The only endorsements I know for Rahm are:

- His former boss Obama
- Our Republican Governor
- Our Republican Senator
- Three Republican Newspapers
- Two Liberal Newspapers



The guy who told me about the union endorsements for Rahm, with no specifics, was a pretty liberal guy. Then he retired last year. And started listening to "both sides". I keep asking him that if the two sides are "lies" versus "truth", why would you listen to both sides? But he is starting to echo, and believe, all the bullshit. I really hate watching him devolve.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
58. He's been endorsed by building trades unions, which are notoriously business-minded.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:40 PM
Mar 2015

I'm not surprised by that. Even in CA those guys run to pols who love to build charter schools, etc.

UNITE HERE endorsed him, which is kind of wtf, because they are usually a social justice union.

Otherwise some biggies elected to stay neutral, rather than actually endorse.

Here's a list of endorsers as of late Jan:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/327577/sneed-exclusive-rahm-endorsed-25-labor-unions

"Among the endorsers:

• International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (representing two locals)
• Laborers District Council (represents eight locals)
• International Union of Operating Engineers (represents two locals)
• Ironworkers District Council (representing three locals)
• Painters District Council 14 (representing 13 locals)

• The pinch: It is also intended as a thwack at mayoral opponent Jesus “Chuy” Garcia, who has been endorsed by the nearly 30,000-member Chicago Teachers Union, led by Karen Lewis — who once coveted Emanuel’s job.

• The poke: Missing from the group is SEIU Local 1, which represented the 290 Aramark janitors who were laid off after the Chicago Public Schools signed a contract with the company to clean schools last year."

An SEIU division went against the neutral stance of the other locals and donated big to Chuy.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/414268/despite-internal-seiu-dispute-cash-way-chuy-garcia

"Jesus “Chuy” Garcia received another influx of cash from SEIU Health Care, despite calls from a leading Service International Employees Union local for its sister organization to “cease and desist” supporting the mayoral candidate.

SEIU Health Care, one of the largest contributors to Garcia’s campaign, made another $250,000 donation late Wednesday to aid Garcia’s runoff against Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

That comes amid an internal dispute within SEIU, chiefly from Local 73, which represents 14,000 city workers and has complained that campaign contributions from SEIU Health Care — a union that represents no city workers — runs contrary to the SEIU State Council’s decision last year to remain neutral in the mayoral race."

This is a fun race to watch if you are a labor nerd.

tartan2

(314 posts)
42. Oh please Chicago
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 08:24 AM
Mar 2015

kick the little dirt bag Emanuel home for good. The dirt bag is a self serving prick. OMG I just cant stand this so called man~!!!

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
44. Rahm's true color (Green) is coming through
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 08:53 AM
Mar 2015
Emanuel collects $1.4 million, mostly from wealthy donors

Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Monday reported taking in nearly $1.4 million in donations to his political fund as he continues to stockpile unprecedented amounts of campaign cash for Chicago mayor's race.
lRelated Chicago plans to eliminate 50 more red light cameras

Most of Emanuel's latest contributions came from eight wealthy donors, each of whom previously had contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Emanuel.

Topping the list was billionaire hedge fund founder Ken Griffin, who gave $250,000. Griffin, who is Illinois' wealthiest man, also was a top donor to Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner's record-setting campaign last year.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rahm-emanuel-campaign-cash-met-0310-20150309-story.html

DFW

(54,465 posts)
51. Rahm has hated Howard's guts since the famous shouting match of 2006.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 01:54 PM
Mar 2015

I was in DC then, saw Rahm shortly after it. His face was so red, it looked like he had rubbed beet juice on his face.

Rahm was almost surely the reason Howard was frozen out of the Obama Administration (their and our loss). There was NO more obvious choice for HHS Secretary than Howard, and no more brilliant voice for health care reform, either. Howard took it like a man, never once dissed Obama or Rahm publicly or even privately (except maybe to Judy, I wouldn't know, and never asked him).

However, like the saying goes, revenge is a dish best served cold.

 

android fan

(214 posts)
85. Rahm should have been thrown out from the beginning, in 2006.
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:41 PM
Mar 2015

I despised Rahm, and I still do.

And I'm Jewish. I didn't like his philosophy of how to operate government.

Interestingly enough, I will be in Chicago for Pesach and it's right on the runoff date.

Not sure if I care enough to help Garcia, but it would be interesting to see the result.

I will have to ask my sister who she is planning to vote for...

DFW

(54,465 posts)
88. 2006 was too early to be able to get rid of him
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:59 PM
Mar 2015

He was, apart from being the head of the DCCC, a member of the House.

Obama should have looked beyond his Chicago friends and realized what a polarizing figure he was bringing into the White House as his chief of staff. I understand that he was looking for someone he knew, and who was a proven "get-it-done" guy, and he wanted the choice of WH Chief of Staff out of the way as early as possible. However, Rahm brought a LOT of baggage with him, and he DOES rub people the wrong way. Casting Howard off like a used candy bar wrapper was one of the biggest mistakes Obama made in his early days. Of course, it was Rahm's doing. He had Obama's ear. Howard didn't. Howard knew it and accepted it.

Still, the ACA probably would have had a smoother, earlier and more comprehensive launch if Howard had been behind it from day one, and in on the planning. Instead, he was out in talk show wilderness while Rahm was busy pissing off the world. The outcome was as predictable as it was unfortunate.

lark

(23,182 posts)
53. Howard Dean, making us proud of Democrats once again.
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 02:05 PM
Mar 2015

I love that he's one Dem with a spine, who's not afraid to throw punches and who "gets it". Rahm is nothing but a DINO and a Repug at heart. He's hurt the city of Chicago and needs to be sent home.

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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
75. Being forced into a history making run-off is already a loss
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 07:12 AM
Mar 2015

The third-place rival has endorsed Garcia, which will swing some more votes away from Rahm.

Anyone with a brain would not view this situation as a mandate, even if Rahm squeaks it.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
96. The only people who worry about whether there is a mandate are the losers
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:34 PM
Mar 2015

If Rahm wins, even by one vote, he has a majority pro-Rahm City Council and pretty much nobody to stop him from executing whatever plan he has. Indeed, with Rauner in Springfield he has an even clearer field than he had under Quinn to completely deploy his neoliberal policies. Whether political chatterers think he has a mandate is a very losery discourse indeed. He will be the winner, and will do what he wants. He may even be emboldened.

mopinko

(70,283 posts)
98. historic how?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:00 PM
Mar 2015

we have only had the runoff system since after harold washington. not long enough to be "history", except in the loosest possible terms.

and nobody with two working brain sells cares what willie wilson thinks.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
95. I tend to agree
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:30 PM
Mar 2015

Chuy's financial plan revealed this week was a bit of a joke. Now, there's not much Chuy can do about that. The actual solutions to the major financial woes of the city have to wait for IL Supreme Court rulings and numerous other factors to click into place. Rahm has been effective in hiding this: that to make any definite proclamations about strategy now is actually foolish. But Chuy, being wise to reserve definite judgment on a changing situation, stepped into the trap, and now has a rather laughable announcement of "I'll let you know...my plan will reflect my principles."

That may be the death knell of the Chuy campaign, since the concern in the wards has always been whether Chuy is up to the job. This is, of course, unfair, since Rahm's financial stewardship and plan is also a fucking joke, and we have four years of semi-competent management, but also four years of letting this shit go on and on. Had he vit the bullet and raised taxes dedicated to pension-funding on Day 1 of his first term, we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of hundred-million dollar due dates, with little to show for it. Of course, this is an ideological problem: BOTH RAHM AND CHUY WILL HAVE TO RAISE TAXES, INCLUDING PROPERTY TAXES AND MIDDLE CLASS TAXES. That's going to happen regardless of whom you vote for. The only trick left politically is whether one candidate can convince the people that the OTHER candidate is going to raise YOUR TAXES rather than somebody else's. It's all a scam either way. They will both have to do the same thing, financially. We're in the realm of the inevitable.

But who can play chicken longest?

ancianita

(36,190 posts)
84. I think Chuy gets more votes since Cook County President,Toni Preckwinkle, finally endorsed him, too
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:00 PM
Mar 2015

She's boss to many South Side workers and, as the only City Council independent vote for years, will probably sway both Mexican and black voters who didn't care for The Machine.

I'm hoping.

 

dolphinsandtuna

(231 posts)
86. Rahm puke
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:47 PM
Mar 2015

When Rahm spewed that stuff about Liberals being "retards," the bloom was off the Obama rose for me. And I think the Democrats would be in a much much stronger position if Howard had been able to continue to run the election strategy.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
107. That damned Rahm!
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:40 AM
Mar 2015

I really feel that he may try to steal the election. I heard that they really need the Black vote to win. And, there are more black churches throwing their weight behind Chuy. I haven't seen any Ads by Chuy, but Rahm is running negative ads into the ground, seem like every 15 minutes. Anytime you got a Republic0n governor (Rauner) pulling for Rahm, something is wrong with this picture. Rauner may try to help Rahm steal the election the way that I feel that he did.

polynomial

(750 posts)
109. "Chuy" what is that
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 06:50 AM
Mar 2015

My first curiosity is that of having the first name of a powerful Judeo Christian Deity. That alone makes me wonder about our social game in Democracy.

Being named after the God, or profit I pray to is one thing but making an open effort to exploit a nickname like Chuy, is beginning to make me feel uncomfortable. Or is Mr. Garcia the new political relations marketing icon totally intentionally placed into the arena by the one percent. Yep.

The nickname, Chuy, is interesting too, something not linked to that omnipotent being that is worshiped every Sunday by millions of Chicagoan’s, or most in this hemisphere. Certainly is a Chubacca the new image of man, I think not.

I wonder what the Pope thinks; is America in a Canonical collision course ?

Nicknames wreaks of Bushism…

The word Chuy immediately reminds of the Star Wars character, the furry animal person that growls, that is part of a rebellion force not far far away but right here in Chicago. A really sweet Republican back door game.

More likely it is the real Ronald Reagan game plan to turn Chicago into a Republican town.

As Ja Ja Bix might say, me’s a thinks this is a weird one…

 

Badass Liberal

(57 posts)
110. Do we know who Dukakis endorsed?
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:58 AM
Mar 2015

How about Walter Mondale, John Edwards and Chris Dodd? Way to stick your nose in a race that has zero to do with you, Howard. Stay classy.

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