If Trump had cancer, would people here be as supportive of him and his family as

[Gabi Hayes]

they are of another well known politician?

All the best, Mr. President! Hope you can get well soon, so's you can keep on destroying EVERYTHING!

[dawg day]

1. We could be as supportive as he is of the children he's throwing off Medicaid.

[Gabi Hayes]

2. exactly! well said. and

wilkommen, seeing as how we might as well be speaking German these days, after the enabling act passes next week

[lamp_shade]

3. Not me. I would just not say anything at all.

[Tipperary]

9. Thank you. I stand with you. This is ugly.

[Bleacher Creature]

69. This was my immediate reaction as well. NT

[RobinA]

80. I Dont Wish

him a horrible disease, I just wish he’d go the hell away. Far, far away. He can live his ugly life somewhere where he can’t harm anyone or spread his ugliness around.

[MustLoveBeagles]

82. This

[handmade34]

4. no

No matter some concerns, John McCain has served his Country as best he knows... Trump has done NOTHING in his life that betters others... I WISH cancer on Trump (I ask forgiveness now if this is inappropriate for DU- it is my truth)

[malaise]

5. To be perfectly honest

I have nothing to say on any of the threads because we're all going o die of something, but I am not shedding a tear for one person who supports the Con and ReTHUGs. The vast majority of them don't even want poor people to have healthcare. The vast majority of them support tax cuts for the rich and would destroy social security and health care for ordinary people.

I'm in the 'not one tear for those who don't care' group.

[Gabi Hayes]

12. couldn't help myself. McCain is one of the worst, most hypocritical enablers I can think of.

Just ask his first wife how much she values his "service" in an obscene war, the genesis of which isone that rivals Germany being "invaded" by Poland

just ask all the people who Keating cheated out of their life savings, their HOMES, as a result of McCain's enabling

Look how he fell in line with the chimp after being humiliated, slandered, smeared, etc., during the primary

and look what he's done since trump did basically the same thing to him during the campaign

he has no shame, no self respect (or for anyone else to whom he doesn't maximally suck up), and deserves none

enough of this.....time for some heavy drinking, I mean meditating

[malaise]

17. I know exactly what you mean

Corker is no different

[Gabi Hayes]

19. well, you're about 50 short, just in the senate. how bout that Flake jerk off?

how ironic that we had the enabling act over 80 years ago

did you see my thread on that?

[Tipperary]

7. You are comparing McCain to the Dotard. I am not buying that.

You took a licking in the other thread and now trying to pulll yourself out. MCCain is not Dotard. He is a man who served in the military, stood up for his friends in the Hanoi Hilton. Your comparing him to the Orange poison is wrong on every level.

[Gabi Hayes]

14. call us when you get back from the Oort Cloud

McCain can be considered as bad or worse than Trump, because he's one of the enablers

do you get that?

AFA the Vietnam BS, you do realize that we were no better than the Nazis who slaughtered their millions during WWII?

how is he any different? ask the Vietnamese how much of a hero he is to them

wise up before you make such silly comments

[mythology]

49. Oh dear lord, did you really just compare us to people who had concentration camps?

Speaking of silly comments.

Here's a hint, we didn't have torture camps. Yes we did some crappy things, but we weren't shoving bamboo shards under people's fingers.

Also as for McCain and the Vietnamese, he did get endorsed in 2008 by one of his former jailers. Perhaps not as much bad blood as you assume.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25418965/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/hanoi-hilton-jailer-says-hed-vote-mccain/

[7962]

56. Just unbelievable isn't it. nt

[ronnie624]

71. There were concentration camps in South Vietnam,

fully approved and facilitated by the U.S. government. We murdered millions throughout Indochina and made life a living hell for tens of millions. Commiting some the worst atrocities in human history, people were forced into the existence of troglodytes by our bombing campaigns, scratching and clawing in the mud for survival. We bombed Laos daily, for eight years.

So deep is the ignorance among Americans about this fit of violence by the U.S. power structure against the people of Indochina, that when asked about the casualty numbers, even the college educated guess that 'only' about 100,000 Vietnamese people died.

[EllieBC]

70. You made a silly and disgusting comment.

We are the same as Nazis? Yeah that's a silly, incorrect, and disgusting comment.

[ronnie624]

73. We aren't the 'same' as Nazis,

but some of our atrocities definitely rival theirs.

[maryellen99]

8. Nope the only ones I would not feel sorry for is trump and dick cheney nt

[LyndaG]

10. I understand how you feel.

I can't disagree with you.

[JI7]

11. Nope because McCain is a far better person than Trump

There is nothing good about trump.

Even taking into account mccains faults and disagreements one may have he is a decent person.

[milestogo]

59. - this -

[patricia92243]

13. Not sure what I would say on DU, but in my heart I would be saying "Thank you, Lord."

[Gabi Hayes]

16. I thought about that, but I just can't believe the support he gets here. I fully understand

the family tragedy thing, as I've been through it with both my parents, but to use that as a reason to excuse truly abominable behavior (including to his own WIFE), just because he's sick, is laughable

time to get real and see him for what he is

perhaps a little reading into what a swine he's been for most of his life would be a good start

[ecstatic]

90. Lol. nt

[Leith]

15. I'm Long Past Trying to Take the High Road

Let's just say that I wish on chumpy all the fear, angst, pain, stress, and bad karma he has happily spread to others over his lifetime.

[Gabi Hayes]

18. thanks. I don't wish ill on McCain, or his family. only that people realize that the choices he's

willingly made throughout his life have been mostly dishonorable, and especially the ones has made while in office, or seeking such, have been very very bad for our country

sorry to appear whatever, but that's the way it is

amends to all those who think I'm a heartless monster

[atreides1]

20. To be honest!

I wouldn't be supportive of him or his family, I'd prefer if it took him out quickly!!!

[jalan48]

21. Fuck no.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

22. Trump doesn't HAVE cancer. He IS cancer. A scourge. nt

[Gabi Hayes]

24. you have the best name on DU!

met two of them on the one year anniversary of Nixon's resignation: TV or Not TV tour. got to squeeze the wheeze with them

RIP, Peter and the other Phil

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

40. That was a clown-car full of talent.

And their recordings still get me through long airplane trips.

The vinyl got copied to tape, then to CD, then to the ipod, then to a phone. But still have the vinyl, just in case.

Way to go, meeting them on tour!

[Gabi Hayes]

48. got the first four on vinyl, and various cd's, and lots on iPod/pad

in 2020 Papoon for President, because.......

[madaboutharry]

23. No, I wouldn't feel much empathy

Trump is a fascist who has no respect for democracy. McCain is a typical republican. The two men can not be compared.

[Gabi Hayes]

25. McCain is a mass murderer, willingly inflicting actual death on innocent victims of an obscene war

what does that make him?

dunno if that's a comparison, but I don't see him any differently than I did all those Nazis who killed millions for what reason....how do you justify what our country did in SE Asia

millions died there, too, because of what we did there

amazing how most Americans give us a pass on that one

[7962]

29. Oh please. Yeah I'll give him a pass. Your comparison is crap.

The nazis wanted to take over all of Europe and Africa and exterminate entire races of people; Jews, blacks, etc.
The US never even fought Vietnam to win; never even invaded the North. Which prolonged it even more. shitty war, but nothing like the nazis.
Yes a lot of civilians are killed. Just like in any war.

[Gabi Hayes]

33. your analysis of my comparison is ludicrous

we never invaded the North?????

that's the stupidest thing I've heard that didn't come out of Trump's mouth

tell that to all the North Vietnamese who we bombed to death, or poisoned with Agent Orange (ha)

thanks for the Hugh laugh.

needed that

[7962]

41. Glad you got a laugh. Bombing and invasion are two different actions like it or not.

Apparently you've got a thing for McCain, so you go ahead and enjoy yourself. Looks like most here aren't as jaded or bloodthirsty as you.

[Gabi Hayes]

52. what's with the bloodthirsty?

you keep saying that, now in two different ways

and your foolish differentiation between bombing and invasion is beyond comprehension, when you try telling it to the people slaughtered in the non-invasions

too funny!

thanks again

[7962]

55. As was pointed out by another poster, you got slammed for this on another OP

SO you made up your own to try to get everyone on the bus. You've got a thing for McCain that most here dont share.
You're equating the Nazi regime with the US is ridiculous as are your weak attempts at defending such disgusting nonsense.
The vast majority of DU does not have a bloodlust for McCains death that you appear to have been cultivating for some time.
Opinions like yours are exactly what the RW LOVES to see so they can show it off as proof of "liberal hatred". Your OP probably already made it to Discussionist. Congratulations.

[cwydro]

92. This.

+1000

[Orrex]

26. I would laugh and laugh and laugh

My laughter would be interrupted only by my joyful dancing, after which I would laugh and laugh and laugh again.

[Gabi Hayes]

30. are you a

he's just like McCain's first wife!

PS Love the Ruth Underwood

Moving to Montana song has some great vibes, too

speaking of vibes.....time to get up on my pygmy pony

[Squinch]

27. I would forgive God for a lot of that other stuff.

[janterry]

28. I would feel bad

perhaps not for him as a man, but for the man he could have been - and wasn't.

A lost life. I would feel bad for that. I would also hope that the experience would teach him about how to be human, kind, or even empathetic.

[Gabi Hayes]

31. well spoken, but he clearly and obviously has learned nothing from his experiences

it seems to have made him the worse for it

how can he any conscience support that bill, and what it will mean to millions, just on the ACA repeal alone, not to mention all those sleazy, incompetent, venal cretins Trump is putting on the bench til they DIE?

DEATH on a scale wider than that in which he personally participated 50 years ago

[Ken Burch]

37. Ok...so you think we're going to easy on McCain...I get it.

n/t.

[Gabi Hayes]

45. too easy on him for what?

please explain.....

[trueblue2007]

32. Well i would not be..... I am feeling sorry about Mr. McCain suffering. I hope he is not in pain.

I also am praying Sen McCain recovers.

[Gabi Hayes]

35. appreciate you kindness of spirit....I hope he does, too, just not in time for the Enabling Act vote

same with Cochran

[Ken Burch]

34. Trump's not a former POW with an honorable streak that emerges from time-to-time.

So, no, not sympathetic to him.

It would be barbaric not to feel a little compassionate at least towards Ivanka and Melania-a family member dying of cancer is a family member dying of cancer.

[Gabi Hayes]

42. hard to argue with that. wonder if they even would, though!

how funny would it be if they were making fun of him the whole time, just like he did that REPORTER!

there are clips that are saying he did NOT do this, and it was taken out of context....wonder where those came from

[Ken Burch]

36. ...Are you wishing a terminal illness on Trump?...

...are you complaining about people showing some empathy to McCain?...
...or did you have an entirely different point to make than either of those?...

[Gabi Hayes]

44. you figure it out, you're so smart

christ

[doc03]

38. NO

[tazkcmo]

39. No

But that'snot saying much because I despise John "No then Yes" McCain.

[Gabi Hayes]

43. but but but he was a war HERO!

was he not?

[tazkcmo]

47. Operative word

Was. He has lived his entire life, from infancy to death, sucking from the government teat yet has the gall to be in the party that hates government. He's a hypocrite of the highest order.

[hlthe2b]

46. Difference: McCain has done some good in his life and served honorably. Trump--nada

I'd draw a similar differentiation as to how I'd feel about Cheney v. GWBush*. The former would make me feel (recurrent) sadness ONLY for the family of his heart donor... period.

GWBush*, well, his daughters are good progressives, are doing good things with their lives and I know they love their father, so I'd extend them sympathy.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

50. Good question without an answer for me.

Can't really explain why I feel bad for McCain (and his family), I just do. You have to be really, really reprehensible for me not to feel bad for you and your family if you're dying from cancer, so I guess McCain just isn't reprehensible enough for me not to feel bad.

But Trump and co.? On their fucking own.

[nuxvomica]

51. I would be

At the individual human level, disease is still the common enemy. That's why we fight the mistakes made by man, like the Republican Party, for example, because we cannot aspire to curing cancer, confronting climate change, or exploring the stars until we end the problems created by man -- hunger, want, violence, injustice, etc. -- which are supposed to be the easier problems to solve. That's the big picture. I don't want McCain voting for the tax bill but I do want him to be well. I want Trump to be well, too, because he certainly is not.

[Gabi Hayes]

53. you said it better than I can. thanks

time for the zazen

things are beginning to become a bit murky

on my way to seek the jewel in the lotus

we are stardust

[Gabi Hayes]

54. leaving you all with this

[mythology]

57. Having seen too many people suffer from cancer, and not being a worthless excuse of a human being

yes I'd be supportive of anybody facing cancer. I don't care how much a person sucks, facing cancer is a brutal painful unrelenting process that strikes rich and poor, young and old. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. Frankly I don't understand not being supportive of somebody or their family when going through a hellish experience.

[IluvPitties]

58. I would feel sorry for his family.

[LeftInTX]

60. It won't happen because his doc says

he's the healthiest president ever.

Honestly, I would laugh. Trump thinks he's immortal.

[democratisphere]

61. drumpf is a cancer on the world.

Enough said.

[Hoyt]

62. I would support withholding opioids when his pain becomes intolerable.

Give him a dose of his own hatred.

[democrank]

63. Here's an olive branch, Gabi.

I vehemently disagreed with you on that "other" thread but I'll try to be more thoughtful with this reply.

My beloved, a Vietnam Vet, died two years ago from brain cancer resulting from exposure to Agent Orange. He was from a very poor family, didn't know where Vietnam was, but was drafted into that war and hated everything about it. I protested that war, but always tried to support the troops because so many, like my beloved, were there because of the draft.

I was with J.E.S. during chemotherapy, during regular radiation, during pinpoint radiation, during brain surgery. I saw him with a metal cage screwed to his head and fed him a quarter of a grilled cheese sandwich through the slots. I saw him cry in his workshop when he realized he could no longer figure out how to measure....even though he had once made me a pair of brass calla lily bookends. I saw him hold his head high as I put a Velcro belt around his waist so I could hold him up on his feet. I saw him take his last breath. It tore my heart out, and I don't wish this pain on anybody.

I'm certain John McCain and his family are going through a devastating time and no matter what side of the aisle he stands on, I can not find it in my heart to wish him ill will. I want him to have more time on earth, the love of his family and peace.

This world has so much hate, so much sorrow. Let's try to make it better.

[MarianJack]

64. I wouldn't give 3/10 of a rat's ass except...

...Pence!

PEACE!

[BigDemVoter]

65. Why would I wish him well? I don't wish him well now. . . . .

I don't give 2 fucks about him OR that awful family of his. . . Am I saying I want something like this to happen to him? No. But bad things happen all the time, and they happen to good people too. Why would I waste my valuable time worrying about that motherfucker?

[irisblue]

66. What are you trying to get from this thread. Awful, just awful.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. I just want him and his crime family to go away

The rest is up to God.

[MFM008]

68. is he dead yet?

answer any questions.

[struggle4progress]

72. Why should I be gleeful when anyone faces that?

[rownesheck]

74. yeah...

Um... No.

[NCDem777]

75. No

Trump voters' whole thing is FUCK YOUR FEELINGS!!!!!!

So who cares?

[Lil Missy]

76. Trump and McCain don't belong in the same sentence. n/t

[cwydro]

87. Exactly.

I read this OP in disbelief.

Was very reassured to read the responses that prove we are indeed different from them.

I just can’t even speak to the comparison of Vietnam vets to Nazis. Smh.

[Lil Missy]

98. The OP comparison is absurd. Yes Indeed.

[RainCaster]

77. 45 is immune to brain cancer

He has none!!

[JDC]

78. I would not support him or them in any way.

Don't put McCain in the same category.

[madinmaryland]

79. I will shed no tears when he dies. Other than that, I have nothing to add. nt

[Va Lefty]

81. Well stated. I agree.

[Generic Brad]

83. I would send his tumor a thank you note

I would have zero sympathy for him.

[DinahMoeHum]

84. TRASHED.

n/t

[MatthewG.]

85. I actually wouldnt want him to suffer unduly.

I actually wouldn’t want Trump to suffer unduly. What would be the point? I think he’s a terrible human being who enacts garbage policies and almost certainly deserves jail time. Cancer would change none of that.

That said, if he had cancer he’d have access to the world’s best medical care and unlimited resources to pay for it. He’d have a lot more protection than huge numbers of people his policies screw over. Why would he need the sympathy of his political enemies on top of that?

[applegrove]

86. We all deal with deep anger and fear in various ways. I certainly lashed

out when I tore apart my apartment one night after I was harassed and took myself too the hospital I was so mad. As long as you are not hurting anyone do your thing. Nobody gets to say what the meaning of events in your life is. These are bad times for Americans.

[secondwind]

88. NO NO

[NurseJackie]

89. Nope.

[ecstatic]

91. Unfortunately, Trump brings out the worst in his supporters & detractors

because he is such a disgusting, immoral person.

I have no idea how I would react, but I do know that I've caught myself in brief instances wishing things on him that I've never wished on anyone else. Ever.

[DFW]

93. Frankly, I wonder if he hasn't had some brain disorder for a while now

Anyone can get cancer. My wife has battled it twice. Both my parents and all their siblings had it. So, with me, it's not a question of "if," but "when." Support is great, even vital, but it's a lonely, consuming battle in the end. You can't engage in a serious battle against it AND do something like being president or a member of Congress at the same time.

If Trump turned out to have cancer, I'd support his immediate resignation, and pity him the kind of support he'd probably expect from HIS kind of family.

But that's all speculation. For now, I only have pity for our country.

[world wide wally]

94. That would be the first time I would cheer for the cancer

[eShirl]

95. Supportive of him? Hell no.

[bluecollar2]

96. no...n/t

[LuckyCharms]

97. No. This is not like me, but...

The man has hardened me and I have no empathy for someone who is putting so many others at dire risk.

[Orrex]

99. It would be perhaps the only example of prayers actually being answered