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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:05 PM Dec 2017

The Trump Presidency is only possible because of media complicity.

Yes, in accounting for the Electoral College victory, GOP gerrymandering and suppression were critical factors. And as the evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia increases, that was also a factor.

But prior to the election, the US conservative, corporate media played an enormous role because it was that right wing media that created and normalized Trump. And this media creation, Donald Trump, was allowed to present himself as a legitimate candidate.

Prior to that, the US media created another President, Ronald Reagan. This second rate actor was coddled and protected by a media that was well aware of his intellectual deficiencies. The media ignored that and presented Reagan as a cowboy figure, while ignoring his blatant racism and open appeal to racists.

And then we had the media enabled creation of George W. Bush, a product of a connected political family from the northeast who cast himself as a cowboy type much in the mold of Reagan.

Now we have Trump, who in any sane universe would be seen as the failed businessman that he is, but thanks to reality television, he can call himself a successful businessman.

Thank you, conservative, corporate, media enablers. Thank you for totally ignoring any semblance of journalistic integrity as you normalize Trump's behavior, or present it in a both sides do it framework to minimize how bad Trump really is.

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The Trump Presidency is only possible because of media complicity. (Original Post) guillaumeb Dec 2017 OP
The media is part of the propaganda machine. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #1
Good points. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #3
Exactly. And Putin is old time KGP and knows the drill. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #6
Well said! I was thinking that the other day, how many of the media loudmouths are RKP5637 Dec 2017 #7
Putin has been brilliantly diabolical. He committed the crime of the century Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #9
They doth protest too much! Many are sleazes to begin with IMO. I can't imagine RKP5637 Dec 2017 #10
I guess the KGB is quite clever at asset recruitment. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #12
Yep! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2017 #17
Bingo!!!!!!!! nt jrthin Dec 2017 #2
Some might argue which is the major component of a stolen election, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #4
There were reports of his criminal behavior and his followers did not care. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #14
Was gerrymandering done state wide? quartz007 Dec 2017 #5
You are correct. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #8
For Decades, The Media has been gushing over tRump Wolf Frankula Dec 2017 #11
And Trump knows how to work the media to his advantage. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #16
operation mockingbird and other stuff; Bernstein said that like 40 years ago Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #13
They are guity conspirators triron Dec 2017 #15
Yep. ucrdem Dec 2017 #18
I posted something along these lines recently....the coke dealer and the helicopter Gabi Hayes Dec 2017 #19
Thank you, And Judi Lynn, for this link. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #20
It actually went farther than that RandomAccess Dec 2017 #21
It promotes, normalizes, and validates Trump. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #23
They certainly downplayed the racism hibbing Dec 2017 #22
Working class angst sounds better than racism. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #24
Wasn't it $2 BILLION in free airtime that they gave trump spanone Dec 2017 #25
But it was great for the networks. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #27
Morning Joe gave him a free platform every morning nt doc03 Dec 2017 #26
True, former GOP politician Joe Scarborough guillaumeb Dec 2017 #28
The only way for that to work is if viewers watch loyalsister Dec 2017 #29
True, but given that most people do not read newspapers or magazines, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #31
That is an educational and cultural failure loyalsister Dec 2017 #33
And the media also lowers standards when they treat politics as a soap opera. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #35
They did the same thing for Hillary Clinton... BadGimp Dec 2017 #30
Very true. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #32
During the 2016 campaign, while we were in the Sates DFW Dec 2017 #34
And we know that this represents massive free advertising, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #36
It's why Fox Noise gves the Republicans a huge handicap on each national election DFW Dec 2017 #39
Which is why I don't put a lot of faith in MSNBC including Rachel, Joy and Chris. jalan48 Dec 2017 #37
Agreed. As Noam Chomsky has frequently observed, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #38

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
1. The media is part of the propaganda machine.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:09 PM
Dec 2017

Who knows how many of the media have been bought and paid for by the GOP or Russia?
I am sure Putin did not just cultivate American politicians. He has US media assets as well.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Good points.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

The CIA undoubtedly has media assets in many countries, it would be naïve to expect any less of Russia.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
7. Well said! I was thinking that the other day, how many of the media loudmouths are
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:26 PM
Dec 2017

possibly being paid under the table by sabotages to spout propaganda. You look at people like Hannity, Dobbs, Jones and the herd, and one has to start wondering WTF is going on. And what about Rupert Murdoch, what is his agenda. We know it's to make money, but anything more?

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
9. Putin has been brilliantly diabolical. He committed the crime of the century
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:33 PM
Dec 2017

(stealing the US presidency). We know he bought off Trump and much of the GOP.

I am certain he did not take the US press for granted and has assets there too.
Yes indeed, look at the crazy crew at Fox and the names you mention.
Wonder if any one has looked at their bank accounts and emails?

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
10. They doth protest too much! Many are sleazes to begin with IMO. I can't imagine
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:49 PM
Dec 2017

them or others turning down the serving plate if it came their way.

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
12. I guess the KGB is quite clever at asset recruitment.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:02 PM
Dec 2017

They identify potential assets, then start with soft recruitment, friendship,
innocuous deals, etc...... So they are in deep before they realize what happened.

Then of course there are the Manafort and Kelly type assets who run to the money, and enjoy all of it. Think they are smart and important.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Some might argue which is the major component of a stolen election,
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:18 PM
Dec 2017

but if Trump had received media exposure comparable to what Mafia figures receive, his many financial and sexual crimes would have made showed him to be the sexual predator and con man that he is.

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
14. There were reports of his criminal behavior and his followers did not care.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:06 PM
Dec 2017

I don't think it was any one factor that got Trump elected.
It was a combination of a rigged election, serious and intense propaganda,
FBI/Comey interference, and any other Putin tricks.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
5. Was gerrymandering done state wide?
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:23 PM
Dec 2017

I thought gerrymandering was only for congressional districts inside a state. The presidential electoral vote is based on entire state's votes, and therefore gerrymandering should have no effect? Please correct if this is wrong. I don't think any state boundaries were changed or gerrymandered.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. You are correct.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:30 PM
Dec 2017

Gerrymandering is a state specific issue, but in states where gerrymandering is prominent, voter suppression is also generally present also.

Both tend to suppress and/or distort the vote because gerrymandering distorts results for the House of Representatives, and suppression distorts the Presidential voting results. So the result was a GOP House and a GOP President.

Wolf Frankula

(3,602 posts)
11. For Decades, The Media has been gushing over tRump
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:58 PM
Dec 2017

Telling us all what a business genius he was, ignoring his bankruptcies and failures. tRump is a media creation, without them, he would be just another bankrupt shyster.

Wolf

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
16. And Trump knows how to work the media to his advantage.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:07 PM
Dec 2017

He has a long history of using the media to further his interests.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. Yep.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:16 PM
Dec 2017

Trump has leveraged, monetized and mortgaged every particle of his life into the moderately telegenic beast that he is and the media have been happy to hold his cape and sweep up his messes. As usual. I still don't think he's as horrific as the other two, three if you count pappy, at least not yet.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
19. I posted something along these lines recently....the coke dealer and the helicopter
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:18 PM
Dec 2017
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10141560463

thanks to the estimable Judi Lynn for this particular link

Donald Trump biographer David Cay Johnston Saturday on CNN said that the Republican presidential candidate once protected a convicted felon who was charged with cocaine trafficking.

“Donald got his personal helicopter and the one for his casinos from a convicted felon who turned out to be a major drug trafficker, and instead of cutting ties with this guy, he kept him on, he rented him an apartment under very unusual circumstances as I described in the book,” Johnston told CNN host Michael Smerconish. “He wrote a letter pleading for mercy for him, saying he was a standup guy. The guy got 18 months while the people who actually delivered the drugs for him got 20 years. And, by the way, the case came before at one point Judge Maryanne Trump Barry — Donald’s older sister.”

Johnston was referring to Joseph Weichselbaum, who was indicted for drug trafficking in 1985.

Johnston said the media should investigate Hillary Clinton’s private email server, but he complained that virtually no one had called attention to Trump’s “lifelong business dealings with Russian mobsters, con artists, violent felons, swindlers, and this big time cocaine trafficker.”


how many people have the slightest idea who the F Joseph Weichselbaum is

and WHY NOT?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. Thank you, And Judi Lynn, for this link.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:23 PM
Dec 2017

Bengahzi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is why.

The San Jose Mercury News published a series of articles regarding the CIA and cocaine trafficking and the result was that the reporter was attacked for revealing an inconvenient truth.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
21. It actually went farther than that
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:41 PM
Dec 2017

They gave him approx. a billion dollars worth of FREE air time.

That does more than "normalize," that promotes.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
23. It promotes, normalizes, and validates Trump.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:29 PM
Dec 2017

And yes, all for free. But as Leslie Moonves pointed out, it was great for his network even as it was terrible for the US.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
29. The only way for that to work is if viewers watch
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:35 PM
Dec 2017

Anyone who watches conflict driven infotainment on cable or the vile hate laden reality TV is to blame as well.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
33. That is an educational and cultural failure
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 04:49 AM
Dec 2017

I think we are all responsible to a degree. We got lazy about how we get our news and lowered our standards to a point that we watch arguments about news as if they are sporting events.

BadGimp

(4,021 posts)
30. They did the same thing for Hillary Clinton...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:39 PM
Dec 2017

... the difference being that they set out to support and elevate a negative perception and caricature of her where they did the opposite for the GOP candidates.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
32. Very true.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:44 PM
Dec 2017

The networks focused obsessively on emails and Benghazi and ignored Trump's entire life and behavior to focus on the image that he created and that the media eagerly accepted.

DFW

(54,451 posts)
34. During the 2016 campaign, while we were in the Sates
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 04:56 AM
Dec 2017

My wife, who is German, noticed that the TV, especially CNN, ran whole segments of Trump, as in half an hour or more, and only tiny clips of Hillary, and wondered what was the rationale behind it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
36. And we know that this represents massive free advertising,
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 01:19 PM
Dec 2017

and normalizing, and a subtle endorsement.

DFW

(54,451 posts)
39. It's why Fox Noise gves the Republicans a huge handicap on each national election
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 04:20 PM
Dec 2017

They get a couple billion dollars in in free advertising before they have bought their first bumper sticker.

jalan48

(13,905 posts)
37. Which is why I don't put a lot of faith in MSNBC including Rachel, Joy and Chris.
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 01:28 PM
Dec 2017

It's not MSNBC, it's the parent company Comcast, a huge media giant, calling the shots and setting the parameters for what is and isn't acceptable information for public debate.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
38. Agreed. As Noam Chomsky has frequently observed,
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 01:32 PM
Dec 2017

the media has strict parameters of which topics are acceptable and which topics are not allowed.

One such forbidden topic and example is the fact that the US is an empire, and that the US generally uses force to get its way. But in the corporate media, the US is always the victim.

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