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pnwmom

(109,020 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:09 PM Dec 2017

GSA official notice: Users of the GSA computer system have no "expectation of privacy."

Last edited Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:26 PM - Edit history (3)

At least that is how this reads to me. It doesn't address the specific situation with the transition team's emails, but the same logic would seem to apply. And it makes sense. Why would anyone using a .gov email account have an expectation of privacy?

https://www.gsa.gov/reference/for-gsa-employees

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/clintons-email-and-the-privacy-privilege/

“No one creating records on an official government network has an individual ‘privacy right’ to demand that their emails or e-records should be shielded beyond the reach of public access requests under FOI [Freedom of Information] laws, state or federal,” Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle and a former director of litigation at the National Archives, told us in an email.

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rzemanfl

(29,576 posts)
2. They will argue that they were not GSA employees. The point is, if they were emailing
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:17 PM
Dec 2017

specifications for the atrocious new carpet in the oval office, what's the difference? They HAVE A LOT TO HIDE which is why they are trying to convince their base Mueller and the FBI are lawless enemies of the fascist state they wish to create.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. It probably doesn't matter....
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:51 PM
Dec 2017

When I use government computer systems, I have to log-on. And when I log-on, there is a statement that comes up saying the use of the systems constitutes consent to monitoring.

No expectation of privacy.

rzemanfl

(29,576 posts)
8. Thank you. They must be idiots. Interesting that their argument seems to hinge
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:57 PM
Dec 2017

on a dead lawyer's word.... They are scared shitless IMO.

Jim__

(14,090 posts)
3. From your link:
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:17 PM
Dec 2017
***** WARNING ****

This is a U.S. General Services Administration Federal Government computer system that is "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY." This system is subject to monitoring. Therefore, no expectation of privacy is to be assumed. Individuals found performing unauthorized activities are subject to disciplinary action including criminal prosecution. [GSA CIO P 2100.1F, page 39 of 43, Chapter 5, Paragraph 4] or may be subject to a fine and/or imprisonment in accordance with Title 18, USC, Section 1030 USAGE NOTICE: If you are on a computer that is government issued or that you personally own, please select the 'This is a private computer' option. Otherwise, select the 'This is a public computer' option for public computers, or computers that you do not personally own. You will then need to enter your User ID (Active Directory logon) and click 'Submit' to access the system. If you experience any issues or difficulties, please contact the IT Service Desk at +1(866)450-5250 or email them at itservicedesk@gsa.gov

pnwmom

(109,020 posts)
4. And I accessed that page just by googling "privacy," "email" and GSA. But I didn't go any further!
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:24 PM
Dec 2017

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. Oh there is no question about those emails
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:25 PM
Dec 2017

They are government property and Mueller can get them without a subpoena. The fact that they even thought they could hide any information as "privileged" shows how dumb they are.

From another Government website

Warning Notice and Privacy Policy
Warning Notice

In proceeding and accessing U.S. Government information and information systems, you acknowledge that you fully understand and consent to all of the following:

you are accessing U.S. Government information and information systems that are provided for official U.S. Government purposes only;
unauthorized access to or unauthorized use of U.S. Government information or information systems is subject to criminal, civil, administrative, or other lawful action;
the term U.S. Government information system includes systems operated on behalf of the U.S. Government;
you have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communications or information used, transmitted, or stored on U.S. Government information systems;
at any time, the U.S. Government may for any lawful government purpose, without notice, monitor, intercept, search, and seize any authorized or unauthorized communication to or from U.S. Government information systems or information used or stored on U.S. Government information systems;
at any time, the U.S. Government may for any lawful government purpose, search and seize any authorized or unauthorized device, to include non-U.S. Government owned devices, that stores U.S. Government information;
any communications or information used, transmitted, or stored on U.S. Government information systems may be used or disclosed for any lawful government purpose, including but not limited to, administrative purposes, penetration testing, communication security monitoring, personnel misconduct measures, law enforcement, and counterintelligence inquiries;
and
you may not process or store classified national security information on this computer system.

wishstar

(5,272 posts)
6. Government officials/investigators can legally access any communications on govt computer systems
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:47 PM
Dec 2017

When I worked for a federal agency that first got computers over 20 years ago, some employees screwed up and got busted for sending compromising and embarrassing messages, not understanding that they had no privacy and supervisors and managers had legal access to review anything posted on the computer system

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