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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo people who ask the question : "Is it time to leave/give up on America?"
My answer to you is a resounding "YES!" YOU should get out. If you have no love of country that might cause you to actually stand and fight for what you believe and you are willing to abandon it to the very people who would change it into something you abhor...then "YES," get the fuck out!
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Bonobo
(29,257 posts)If you love the America you grew up in but see clearly as many now do that America is on a helpless downward spiral --and if you have family to take care of and the ability to leave, you should do what most of our ancestors did in first coming to America. And that is leave for greener pastures.
I will assume that your ancestors also came here from somewhere else. Maybe they saw opportunity, maybe they felt danger --it is also likely that they loved many of the things about the country they left.
But it is only BECAUSE they left that you, ProdigalJunkMail, are here and free to bully and denigrate someone who is thinking about making the choice your ancestors made.
Think on that before telling people to "get the fuck out".
OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)Bicoastal
(12,645 posts)Look, my ancestors were Ukranian Jewish peasants living under the Russian Empire circa 1895. They would have been tilling the rocky soil right now, as they probably would have been doing since 5 in the morning. They were DIRT poor, with no education. And they were scared to death of the bloody, let's-go-kill-a-bunch-of-fucking-Jews pogroms that were all but encouraged by their own government. The police not only didn't care; sometimes they actively participated.
I can't presume to know how badly anyone else's ancestors had it. But to compare life in America now to anything that happened back then strikes me personally as pretty ludicrous. The very fact that I'm able to spend a Sunday afternoon in my tiny air-conditioned apartment, at my computer, talking freely about this subject--that in it's own way is a minor miracle.
My gut feeling is that most of us don't really know what oppression is. And no, I'm not saying that oppression is mandatory before one makes the decision to emigrate. But if I did that, I certainly couldn't say I was following in my ancestor's footsteps in any shape or form.
I'd be leaving as a child of privilege and liberty they couldn't possibly fathom.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)The corporations and rich are the change makers and it is going the way they want.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)sorry you agree with the people who would abandon you...
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russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)adventures.
Freddie
(9,279 posts)Really don't want us! It's extremely difficult to emigrate to any civilized, English-speaking country. So we have to do the best we can to make this a better country.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)somewhere else.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'd pull them out from in front of a runaway train too rather than trying to stop the train with my bare hands..