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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSince congress and so many people are concerned about their gun rights, even to the point of passing
Laws to allow guns in bars and national parks, I see no reason why they don't want to allow people to carry guns in the capital, such as letting visitors who visit Congress to bring their concealed weapons with them. What is their problem? Why not allow it on an airline. If you ban guns in those places only the criminals will bring guns to those places, isn't that the conventional wisdom? Never mind that a lot of the gun deaths are NOT committed by these so-called "criminals"
There is no doubt that people need these assault weapons for hunting, the only questions, hunting what?
So if Congress believes in ultimate gun freedom, let the citizens bring their weapons when they visit your chambers, I wonder if they have a problem with that?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)in all places, in all circumstances, at all times.
"I see no reason why they don't want to allow people to carry guns in the capital, such as letting visitors who visit Congress to bring their concealed weapons with them. What is their problem?"
permatex
(1,299 posts)all have security checkpoints, bars and national parks do not. To get into the Capitol, you have to go through a security checkpoint with armed security forces, at an airport, you have to pass through a security checkpoint where you get groped, but armed security is not far away, same with court houses. Most govt. buildings now have some form of security so personal firearms are not needed.
Guns in bars has not been a problem, if you conceal carry in a bar, you are not allowed to drink, carrying a gun in national parks hasn't been a problem also.
I just don't see the problem here.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)from gunrighters you can't possibly rely on police forces to protect you. In fact, that's not even in their job description. No, it's our right and our responsibility. How can you delegate a right so central, so critical, and you can't possibly think that government work can be as good free citizens armed to the teeth protecting the government?
I say, let's completely deregulate our militia. Isn't that what the Second Amendment says? That's what we've been doing.
permatex
(1,299 posts)they usually arrive to draw the chalk line around a body or take a report, but at airlines, govt buildings, the police or security forces are right there at the door, checking each and every person who enters for weapons, bombs, illegal items, whatever, so, personal firearms are not necessary.
Bars, public streets, stores, parks don't have such security.
NV has open carry laws, hasn't been a problem with honest citizens otherwise the law would have been repealed. I open carry until my CCP arrives next week, I would much rather CC that way I don't make people feel uncomfortable, although, the town I live in is strongly pro gun rights.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)In a national park, I might be hours away from the police. I may not even have cell phone service to call the police. You are on your own, and you can't rely on the police to protect you. I've been hiking in National parks before where I was 10+ miles away from any roads. My girlfriend knew to call for help if I didn't call her within 12 hours of when I was supposed to arrive back from camping.
In the capital building, there are police in the building, seconds away. Additionally, there is a very good chance that nobody has a gun, since everybody had to pass through a metal detector. I won't say its impossible to smuggle a gun it, but its at least very very difficult.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)I added the What else do I have to do?
I saw your point. You missed mine. That Congress has insulated its members from danger that their gun de-regulation inflicts on everyone else. As you've made clear, nobody can likely walk into Congress and start shooting. But it's what the rest of us face at work, at school, at church, or at play.
A gun would be a very good thing to have in the wilderness. I believe, however, even in the Old West, they had people check their guns when they entered a town. There is a reasonable level of protection people can have which doesn't entail prohibiting guns everywhere at every time or virtually de-regulating them.
still_one
(92,502 posts)Could it be that they believe the weapons might be used against them, and by that logic, the value of "their" life is worth more than the average citizen
permatex
(1,299 posts)that weapons would be used against them, there are plenty of nuts out there, right and left, who would take a shot at a politician, hence the security checkpoints at all govt building entrances.
I think your missing my point, airlines and govt buildings have on site security, you have to pass through security checkpoints, private business do not unless the business pays for it.
still_one
(92,502 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)quite refreshing.
still_one
(92,502 posts)makes more sense than another.
That is what critical thinking is about, I think
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)than someone at a bar or theater by some nutcase.
I'm doubt I'm on anyone's radar and I'm comfortable going to places where people can carry, but if I was elected to Congress I think there would be quite a few teabaggers that would like to take a shot at me.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. that pesky hyperbole thing, do you?
I'm thinking we need a new term to describe this brand of willful disregard for the lives of others.
I'm thinking GUNBLIND is appropriate.
permatex
(1,299 posts)I was having a civil conversation and you just had to interject your little snarky comments, well, have at it, I'm a grown man, I can take it if it makes you feel better.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)They are so wrong, and we MUST make sure that people can carry any weapon they want, anywhere they want, any time they want. They want NO restrictions. I say let's give it to them.
And if anyone feels threatened by anyone else, fire away. Stand your ground.
Me.......I'm heading to Canada, where they AREN'T gun nuts, and their health care system doesn't suck.
permatex
(1,299 posts)No gun owner I know has ever advocated that.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Especially after 2008 after a certain protester showed up at Obama's campaign rally with an assault rifle, just to practice his right to free speech. If guns are such an important right, then who is Congress or the SCOTUS to limit it? Besides, if only assassins and lobbyists had guns in those buildings, how would honest citizens ever protect our government officials?
What's good for the citizens is also good for our representatives and protectors of our rights.
still_one
(92,502 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)just look at how they live in DC, when was the last time a DC pol had to worry about paying their mortgage, when was the last time they had to choose between paying bills or buying food, hell, when was the last time a pol actually walked into a food store to buy food, when was the last time a pol had to worry about filling their gas tanks so they could get to work?
I know, off topic, but it pisses me off to no end that they sit there in DC shouting at each other, blaming each other and they have no fucking clue what the average american is going through.
My rant for the day. Thanks for indulging me.
still_one
(92,502 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)I almost wish that the SCOTUS had struck down the Individual Mandate, it would have opened the door for single payer, but I'll take what I can considering the current makeup of the congress.
still_one
(92,502 posts)understand your sentiments
permatex
(1,299 posts)sooner or later we will get single payer, I just hope it's in my lifetime.
ananda
(28,895 posts).. why not allow sessions of Congress open to gun owners?
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)perhaps they should have a vote - simple majority ok for you?
still_one
(92,502 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)If nothing else, it will get rid of TSA.
permatex
(1,299 posts)you know, the Transportation Security Gropers.
malaise
(269,278 posts)They are protected while they leave everyone else vulnerable
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)If it's good enough for me, oughta be good enough for them.