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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Kirsten Gillibrand is our Democratic Party candidate for President iin 2020
I will vote for her.
In 2016 I voted for Bernie in the CT primary, HRC in the general and I did GOTV calling for the party as well. I did this in an effort to press the party towards a more progressive stance. Altho my husband was HRC all the way and he differed in my political strategy, he respected my opinion and I respected his.
If Gillibrand is a candidate in our primary, I will carefully weigh the options of one Democratic candidate against the other. What those options may be, I cannot guess at this point. I am now reading up on Gillibrand as I have read up on other Democratic candidates. I want to be a well informed voter.
I will continue to press for the most progressive ideas that we as Democrats can offer. I am also deeply committed to having a woman on our ticket, preferably at the top.
shraby
(21,946 posts)And will do the same in 2020, and straight Dem. in 2018.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I just wanted to get past the Franken episode and state clearly my objectives. I truly mourned Al Franken. I've loved him for years, even before he was a Senator when I used to eagerly tune in his radio show each day it was on. I hope he stays with us and keeps contributing his invaluable insights and talent to our party. I don't want to lose his voice!
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)She blew it.
I try not to be too tribal in my thinking, but she has Dem blood on her hands.
greeny2323
(590 posts)But Gillibrand will never get any money from me.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)I think the Dems have a number of great options -- Sanders, Biden, Gillibrand, Booker -- and I'll vote for whoever ends up being the nominee, but do you have a favorite?
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)And I hope they don't win the primary. I want someone who can fight the GOP and not cave.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)Booker might be my choice.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Too conservative for me. Too sold out!
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)Haven't heard that about him. If he's too conservative, who falls in your wheelhouse?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)to really work at something other than reading books, law, etc.
I want someone who understands what it is to be born to parents who weren't or aren't wealthy.
I'm sick of candidates who can't relate to ordinary Americans.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)Disqualifies her at all. Would you prefer Gillibrand or Harris, both of whom thought Franken should resign?
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)ebbie15644
(1,216 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)JimBeard
(293 posts)onetexan
(13,071 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)to be heard and look forward to strong debates here on DU. But as of right now, that is my intent.
We should all welcome a strong debate amongst ourselves as Dems as to who our standard bearer should be in 2020!
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)No need to worry about having to make that choice.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)She has disqualified herself in many eyes. That is no way to get the nomination. We have a lot of potential candidates I think the blowback from this is pretty clear.
you can skate through the general with huge warts because a large portion is uninformed the primaries are much harder and that i think is where her candidacy will die.
It is not too late for her to save herself she can stand up and do what is right and admit she rushed to judgement but I would be willing to bet she wont.
Should she become the candidate it will be very very difficult for me. Even more so if we control the senate and house at that time and the republicans don't run a complete nutjob.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"She has disqualified herself in many eyes..."
Your premise is both true and accurate of all politicians. You artfully created a distinction lacking any relevant difference.
All else in your post is but bias lacking any evidence to support it. However, I certainly understand bias often compels us to throw as many bumper-stickers at the wall and hope at least one of them becomes a trendy little t-shirt.
JimBeard
(293 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)flamingdem
(39,332 posts)She seems to have the support of enough people that this could have happened in spite of the reaction of the party voters we've seen over the last few days.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I think we have to have a woman on the ticket, preferably at the top. I am taking a long look at my 44 year old Senator, Chris Murphy. Paired with an outstanding Democratic woman would be great. But then I think we have to look to Klobuchar or Kamala Harris as running mates or at the top of a ticket. Klobuchar is good. Harris is good, too, and that would be good demographically.
BTW, neither of our two senators signed on the call for Franken's resignation...
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)Many of those I liked caved to the GOP on the Franken thing. I just don't think I can support them.
R B Garr
(16,995 posts)he is without having to rely on the Clintons! What a hypocrite. There is just no excuse for her trying to make a name for herself on the backs of the Clintons and now Al Franken. Glad to see social media recognizes that.
Hillary for New York Senate -- again!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)disqualifying him turned out! Yes, he got into office and I'm thankful he did, but shit they threw at him was sickening.
HRC would be a fabulous senator (again) from NY.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Trump attacking her doesn't change a thing she did to railroad Franken, and it doesn't change how I feel about that.
Paladin
(28,277 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I understand your position and think your idea is fine for you. But I want our team to win and I think Kirsten might turn out to be a strong candidate against god know who the pukes will run (that is, if there is still a GOP as we now know it by then).
ebbie15644
(1,216 posts)I will work as hard as I can to see she never gets the nominations
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It's too early.
Also, we don't know what's going to happen with Trump. Too much is up in the air for us to assume he will be the GOP candidate in 2020. Could be Pence, who won't be so obviously offensive to many voters who don't know his vile policy ideas and what a POS he is.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)recommending a selfish solo artist like Gillibrand, while Franken was told to take one for the team ?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Go back to my original post and where I said that IF she were our party's nominee for President I would vote for her. I believe that is a rule here at DU.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)the party nominee, so it's a moot point. If DU is a guide, primary voters will long remember such a grossly self interested takedown of a Democratic colleague and a much loved person. And well they should, decency is what separates Democrats from Republicans.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)want to see as our standard bearer. It is of no use for you to tear me down for simply saying I will vote for our Democratic Party candidate for president. I believe that is a rule here at DU.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)I said she'll not get out of the Primaries, so it's a moot point. Of course all Democratic supporters should support the nominee.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)jrthin
(4,839 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 9, 2017, 06:16 PM - Edit history (1)
not get one penny from me. Further, as some posters here suggest, she'll blow it. And btw, how come she gets to step in front of Ms. Harris?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)her. I am just saying that if Gillibrand is our party's candidate in 2020 after the primary dust has settled, I will not stay home, and I will not vote Independent. I will be working for gender parity within our party.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Skittles
(153,226 posts)for good reason
Motley13
(3,867 posts)palatable
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)A list of well connected law firms, and Wall Street players. What shall we expect?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)campaign supporters and let's see what happens. I'll be eager to hash this stuff out...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)would they all be roughly the same?
In a country where the SCOTUS equates money with speech, those with money speak loudest.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)lapucelle
(18,361 posts)at some of the names on the list of candidates who accepted contributions from Davis, Polk & Wardwell, Paul, Weiss et al, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase, and Pfizer Inc. in the 2016 cycle.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The 1% generally hedge their bets by contributing to both major parties, and they are generally rewarded for doing so.
lapucelle
(18,361 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)almost all individuals, not the firms themselves.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And yes, the contributors "just happen" to be from connected law firms and Wall Street financial firms.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Those firms did not contribute in almost all of the cases, and those few that did it was paltry compared to the individuals. The data is in the link you provided.
jalan48
(13,901 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Gillibrand is not going to oust a presidential incumbent. Trump may be a disgraceful human being but those surreal advantages of incumbency aren't going away.
We need a perfect choice to get rid of him
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)the living hell out of lots of republicans in leadership positions. We saw what happened to Richard Nixon and Trump is a gazillion worse than even Nixon was (I thought I'd never see the day when I'd say that).
tazkcmo
(7,303 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)blue cat
(2,415 posts)But not her. I won't send any money or GOTV.
I'll vote for her if I have to but will fight against her during the primary.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)jalan48
(13,901 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)Or Duckworth.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)If we learned one thing last time its that when a bunch of people say they will never vote for someone assuming they will come home in the General is suicide. She ruled herself out as a credible candidate and if she were to win the primary she represent the best hope for 4more years of Trump.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)who is best for election success in the primaries going forward.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)And a cousin to the Never Hillary Wing, a group that helped bring us to our current fiasco.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)and believe them when they tell you who they are.
I have a sneaking feeling that Al has a far deeper emotional well with a larger segment of the liberal population than Bernie has. We know how the Russians the the Republicans will use the wound if they are put into a position to exploit it.
Polly Hennessey
(6,811 posts)Too much baggage:
Clinton bashing
Big Tobacco advocate
Al Franken
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)kacekwl
(7,024 posts)start focusing on having fair elections, stopping the madness of clearing voter registration rolls by Repukes , and getting as many people registered properly and prepared to vote in every election.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Her private sector career is inextricable from Phillip Morris and her primary opponents won't let anyone forget that.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)She never worked for Phillip Morris.
She was an attorney at a big law firm assigned to represent them.
Anyone who uses that as the subject of demagoguery is not worth discoursing with.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I'm frankly sympathetic, I have worked on projects in the Alberta tar sands and on oil pipelines, I would no doubt be similarly smeared.
Dalton Mac
(76 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)What part of Connecticut are you in? I went to High school in Ridgefield and lived in Brookfield after I graduated from UConn.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)My husband is a huge fan of the UConn basketball team and Geno Auriemmo. Also Yale football. We won The Game this year against you-know-who. Go Bulldogs!
ecstatic
(32,748 posts)But not in the primaries. We've already witnessed her kick at least two democrats under the bus. I don't like that. Who else will she kick under the bus during a crisis? Which parts of the base are expendable in her eyes?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)a part of a strategy to make it harder for the pukes to pursue their strategy of "whataboutism" (the added benefit of getting rid of a liberal Senator). That is the "Occam's Razor" of many Democrats who signed on to the call for Franken's resignation. Personally, I just think he got caught in that strategy and that old photograph just made it all worse for him. I don't think the photograph proved anything and I don't ascribe bad things to Al for it. I do believe Leeanne is a Trumpster who was used by the GOP to get Franken. Whether or not Kirsten and other Dems strategy was a good one remains to be seen...
Denzil_DC
(7,280 posts)How many years do you (i.e. one, not you personally) have to follow the antics of the Republicans before you realize that double standards and whataboutery are ingrained in their nature as a party?
Franken stayed? Look at how horrible these Democrats are, the party of abusers daring to point their fingers at us!
Franken resigned? Well, he was obviously guilty. Look at how horrible these Democrats are, the party of abusers daring to point their fingers at us!
There are a few prominent Republicans I can point to who do seem to have a higher standard, but I doubt enough to swing a vote in a crunch.
So a valuable senator is lost, possibly a seat in 2018, and nothing's gained. To call it a strategy is unduly flattering.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)We "clean" our house so the pukes don't come back at us.
This is why so many of us loathe the politics that make this politics. I have been totally sick thinking how this all turned out. Politics at its WORST.
Denzil_DC
(7,280 posts)And some here have been gloating openly today that Gillibrand has cleverly gotten rid of two challengers and repeatedly posting the ROFL smilie while people have been expressing their anger.
With supporters like that, Gillibrand doesn't need enemies!
And I want to say I really appreciate the civil way you've conducted yourself in all the threads under this OP.
chillfactor
(7,584 posts)I hope someone else is our nominee.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)samnsara
(17,650 posts)...I may not campaign for the person chosen....if they aren't MY choice...but I will vote for them.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)I know I stand by her in her battle with Chump.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)But I don't think that is going to happen. We only had one female candidate in 2016, and we probably will have at least three in 2020. The progressive women's vote will likely be divided.
Just because the Orange Menace targeted her today doesn't change what I felt about her two days ago.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)so, I suspect I won't for 2020, either. And, I will vote for the Democratic candidate in the general over Trump, Pence, or whoever is running for the Republicans
ananda
(28,885 posts)And you know why ... and it's a very good reason!
The good Al Franken.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)you're ok with Trump winning re-election.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)oh, wait...
need more---
apnu
(8,759 posts)I have no problems voting for Gillibrand.
I'll want to see the field first, of course, but if its Gillibrand in the GE come 2020, she's got my vote right now.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)from the worst we can do! After Trump's disgusting tweet, she is getting a lot of sympathy and she is standing up to him. That throws new light on her, IMO. She is getting a LOT of sympathy and support.
apnu
(8,759 posts)I'm a progressive, yes, but also a realist. Gillibrand is moderate compared to where I'm at. And that's OK. I know I'll never see all the progress I wish for in my life time, but she'd be several good and important steps down that road.
The Right is so out of control that even moderate liberals like Gillibrand look like crazy far-left hippies. Its not us that moved to the left, it was them sprinting to the right.
Given that the GOP base is now all the hatred filled conservative evangelical Christians and the sewage of the neo-fascist and racist collective, they are alienating middle America.
Democrats have a opportunity to pick up the middle right now. But to do so all of us liberals have to be ready to compromise, especially us progressives.
I think progressives have their hearts in the right place but are impatient with the long slog of changing things and making it stick. That kind of structural change takes time and sustained will to see it through on a generational level. Look how we are fighting to keep the core aspects of the New Deal alive today.
Progressives like myself have to keep an eye on the long view and chip away towards that in the near term. Anything else is madness.
FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)Basically we would be better off not to have a candidate from either NY or the senate.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)Although I think there are better candidates, including better female candidates. I have warmed up to Kamala Harris lately.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Too quick to judgement.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)Franken.
Baconator
(1,459 posts)What will their message be and it sure as shit had better be something better than "We aren't Trump"...
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)In the primary, I intend to support the farthest left withing, emphasis WITHIN the Democratic party. Sanders is nice, but my efforts would be for people that tried to work from within rather than snipe from beyond the wall. Yes I hope Liz runs.
Come General, if my candidate does not win, I will vote for WHOEVER did. I will not even care if I hate the person, hell, I do not care if the Democrats nominate an egg salad sandwich. That last line should have been a joke, but in terms of literal truth, a sandwich would actually be a lot less dangerous than Donald Trump, and less disgusting. It would nto start world war III over it's Twitter feed.
DFW
(54,448 posts)I will NOT vote for Gillibrand in the primaries.
I am committed to having a smart, competent, decisive, aware, dedicated candidate for president in 2020.
I care not one whit about that candidate's color or gender.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the time for being "nice" is over. We take back oor country or have forever destroyed
the choice is clear
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)our nominee. Also, running someone from New York will not get the voters we need geographically...I would vote for Gillibrand if she was the Democratic nominee of course, but I don't think she will be the nominee...She seems to represent New Yorkers quite well. I just want a president with better judgement.