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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI hope the hit job on Franken comes to light in the mainstream somehow
It's apparent that those in our party's leadership don't want it to for whatever reasons.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)rzemanfl
(29,576 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Don't understand WTF changed so damn quickly that Franken had to be thrown under the bus. What aren't they telling us?!
rzemanfl
(29,576 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)The two are not mutually exclusive!!
kcr
(15,320 posts)Not sleazy.
aeromanKC
(3,330 posts)Here's hoping Kirsten Gillibrand never makes it out of Iowa.
krawhitham
(4,650 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,344 posts)krawhitham
(4,650 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!! And then get re-elected!!
ananda
(28,889 posts)Don't assume the Dems know a fucking thing except
they want Franken out so their own guy/gal has a
chance at the presidency.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Sorry, I don't get it.
FarPoint
(12,472 posts)GOP and Company tRump are now working on Mueller's Investigation Team....Media will ignore Franken since he was successfully baited and Democrats took that bait...The GOP has a win now... Franken was just Practice warm-up....the game is now afoot.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Remorse and articles all over the place
SHRED
(28,136 posts)ABC, NBC, and CBS then I'll consider that progress.
Me.
(35,454 posts)yesterday, including Brokaw, were of the opinion he was railroaded and this morning Mika was suggesting doubt. There were more insinuations of not being guilty but I can't remember who as I caught them in passing. Perhaps others know.
Edited to sdd link to NYer article
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/al-franken-resignation-and-the-selective-force-of-metoo/amp?__twitter_impression=true
spooky3
(34,509 posts)of this mess are only coming out now, after the damage was done.
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)He didn't have to
SHRED
(28,136 posts)You have no choice.
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)But most of the denunciations came out after word was out that he was resigning.
He hadn't decided yet when they piled on.
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)But word was already out
So with your logic then Schumer sat him down 2 weeks ago and said he was stripping him of all committees and he will be uninvited to meetings.
"Word just hadn't gotten out yet".
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)Because there are multiple time stamped sources saying he would resign the next day.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)Remember, just because he denied it doesn't mean it's not factual.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)At the end of the investigation we would be no closer to the truth than we are today with Senator Franken admitting most, but not all of the incidents took place , with his remembrances of them being different.
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)And there's your problem
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Did his actions warrant his resignation ?
In another environment he might have survived, not in this one.
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)I think that's the problem. The Moore thing also affects the timing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)Outside of Alabama and isolated rural hamlets he will be an albatross. If we beat him on Tuesday the better, if we don't we have him as a punching bag for the mid-terms.
Pluvious
(4,328 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Except the only thing he apologized for was a picture in poor taste. That's not an admission of most of anything.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)-Al Franken
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/07/al-franken-resignation-speech-transcript-full-text-285960
That is precisely what I wrote:
-Me
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)most. To my reckoning Senator Franken has not admitted to anything beyond taking a staged picture of questionable taste. What other incidents are you counting?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)-Al Franken
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/07/al-franken-resignation-speech-transcript-full-text-285960
1.
additional or further:
he and one other person.
2.
different or distinct from the one or ones already mentioned or implied: I'd like to live in some other city. The TV show follows the lives of people who are married, single, or other.
The application gives three gender choicesmale, female, and other.
3.
different in nature or kind:
I would not have him other than he is.
4.
being the remaining one of two or more:
the other hand.
5.
(used with plural nouns) being the remaining ones of a number:
the other men; some other countries.
6.
former; earlier:
sailing ships of other days.
7.
not long past:
the other night.
noun
8.
the other one:
Each praises the other.
9.
(often initial capital letter). form,
a group or member of a group that is perceived as different, foreign, strange, etc.:
Prejudice comes from fear of the other.
a person or thing that is the counterpart of someone or something else:
the role of the Other in the development of self.
pronoun
10.
Usually, others. other persons or things:
others in the medical profession.
11.
some person or thing else:
Surely some friend or other will help me.
adverb
12.
otherwise; differently (usually followed by than):
We can't collect the rent other than by suing the tenant.
verb (used with object)
13.
to perceive or treat (a group or member of a group) as different, foreign, strange, etc.:
Female murderers are othered by characterizing them as psychological oddities.
Idioms
14.
every other, every alternate:
Let's try this again.
Al Franken has conceded there was more than one incident. He just remembers them differently. I can empathize to a point with Senator Franken. That being said some of the women felt his actions were inappropriate or invasive.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)are mostly that when taking a fan picture he inappropriately touched some women. I'm not sure how he remembers the incidents, and neither do you because he really hasn't expanded on that, but it is not a far stretch to think he remembers posing for pictures with hundreds even thousands of people and does not remember an incident where he inappropriately touched someone. It does leave the possibility that the person who is making the accusation did feel violated, but like the grabbed my waist accuser it was not brought to his attention at the time that his very reasonable action made the accuser uncomfortable.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Still, I think if he had DEMANDED an investigation, he would have slowed the frenzy. He knew he was set up, of course.
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)This was a game, but most people don't realize what the game is. The game was to help Jones in Alabama.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)The " fun " just starts if he's elected.
Renew Deal
(81,888 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Yeah, I know what McTurtle and Ryan said, but they flip with the wind. If the big donors threaten to not back Repubs, they cave to the donors, over and over.
Repubs are also scared to death of his RWNJ base and Bannon.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)There is only so much we can do with Chump and Pedo Moore beside voting them and their enablers out of office. I believe Moore will be an albatross.
I'm comfortable going to the American people as the party who takes sexual harassment/abuse so seriously that it would ask a distinguished senator to leave over a minor transgression than the party who harbors child rapists.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Franken on Twitter before he finished his speech. Many followers jumped in. They will present him as a pervert.
You don't actually think the MSM will be fair in it's coverage
Their producers will be scared to death about appearing not to support #metoo.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)There are journalist pointing it out. However, MSM is too scared to touch it, and be attacked for not supporting victims. Fox and such is ripping a dying and bleeding person for all it can get from it's RW cruel idiot followers.
It is so much like what happened to Rather.
I think it will even make comedians, or their producers, afraid to address it directly.
genxlib
(5,546 posts)However, it comes with a big BUT.
IN order for those 33 to expel Franken, it would have required the GOP to vote with them.
That puts the GOP on record as agreeing with the standard for what is acceptable conduct. In turn, that puts them in a position to require such standards of their own members.
As it stands now, the GOP can ignore such standards because they weren't the ones that decided to enforce those standards. We have already seen several GOP senior figures defending Franken. That is just laying the groundwork for why they are under no obligation to take any action against Moore or any of their own.
Demit
(11,238 posts)They let him know they didn't believe in him & they wouldn't back him. Tom Perez said he had to "share in the responsibility." They made it clear that Franken is the goat.
Gillibrand is the future of the party now. She's the franchise. She's their big play.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)to expose Sessions. I just wish NY would invite Franken to run against her. I saw so many Women's Groups that I have always supported, worked in, waiving their signs, calling for his resignation. Most had not had time to get the facts. They were caught up, unaware, in Gillibrand's hang him quick before the facts come out.
The irony of women not being listened to, women getting a hit job when they told the truth, is not to be missed.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I'll admit that I hope that he will not, and the announcement was to derail the witch hunt providing cover for the Russia investigation.
Today, the fact stands that all he has done is announce that he will, in the coming weeks, resign. He has not resigned yet.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Headlines...Al Franken Resigns, Sex Harrasment Allegations by several women. Even NYT Guardian.... No MSNews news had real story.
Hit job!
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)If we can't trust our own representatives, then who can we trust? This, while the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief runs wild... it's gotten ridiculous. WTF!!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)DBoon
(22,414 posts)Another one of Roger Stones RF jobs as well
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Not from the viewpoint that the story was accurate...
the fact that Bush neglected and avoided his military duty was buried by the hit job on Rather. Very frustrating! Outrageous treatment!
peggysue2
(10,845 posts)Now that Franken has been publicly humiliated and pushed into a needless resignation, there's all sorts of second thoughts on what was done and how this was handled. Also an admission that the whole sorry affair was not the pure moral decision that Dem leadership was initiallly peddling but a political calculation.
We're talking Doug Jones vs Roy Moore, of course.
But here's the rub: Franken walks away from his seat which was safe until 2020. The Gov puts in a temporary replacement and the seat is in play for 2018. There's now scuttlebutt that the former GOP MN Gov might run with a good chance of winning on preliminary polling data.
If Roy Moore wins this could easily wind up as a useless and costly sacrifice of Franken. Even if Jones wins on Tuesday, if we lose the MN seat in November 2018, it's a frigging wash.
When it comes to 'political calculations.' this one appears to be shaky at best. And the moral question? Again, shaky when leadership is unwilling to do even a preliminary investigation but all too eager to behead a progressive, hardworking member on accusations alone.
So, yes. Sunlight is required on this mess. Let the details spill out.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Coward asses
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)about Al Franken? Sure as hell not this one!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)me of the Repubs, "prosecuters," as they were called to inflame, shuffling in to impeach Clinton.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Mea Culpa for the complicity in defunding Acorn or demanding the resignation of Shirley Sherrod.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)As long as the pussy grabber and Pedo Moore are untouched.
ananda
(28,889 posts).. and they don't want Franken to be a threat to that because
he's so popular!
KT2000
(20,597 posts)she wanted him gone.