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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's funny because it's true. And because it's true, it's suddenly not so funny anymore.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)alterfurz
(2,475 posts)siligut
(12,272 posts)This seems to be a never ending fight.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)one more thing for the illusion of safety.
Initech
(100,139 posts)Of course your average freeper/republican types - they claim to love our founding fathers but never really take the time to truly understand or comprehend what they actually wrote and said.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The answer is: None, of course. But in return, everyone around you looses their liberty, freedom, equality & justice - and some of them loose their lives. That's a high price to pay.
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That a handgun privides zero safety and security, that is.
Good luck with that....
I'll not even bother with your second assertion yet...although I must admit a sort of morbid curiosity about your reasoning.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The process by which that handgun comes into your possession creates the environment which causes those deaths & injuries. The rational people among us realized a long time ago that this price is just too high.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It doesn't demonstrate that there aren't situations in which a firearm <i>is</i> security...and in fact a single instance of such woudl disprove your assertion that there is "none." You might be able to make the case that firearms cause more problems than they solve on an overall basis (although you might find that a lot more difficult to do with any genuine statistical rigor than you think...), but that wasn't your original claim.
Not going to bother continuing, since you elected to employ ad hominem (that amusing crack about what "rational people" think...). Have a pleasant evening!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)dangerous rape attempt by someone who it turned out was wanted for rape and murder, by using my head. True, if I had a gun, I might have been able to kill him, or he might have been able to take it away and kill me. But the issue didn't arise, thankfully.
It's amazing how many millions of people survive around the planet every day without being armed to the teeth. Imagine living in a country where guns are not legal, and yet, they manage somehow to survive.
The home of the brave appears to be a very scared place.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But that in no way proves the above poster's assertion: that firearms provide no security or safety.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)far outweigh the little security.
I rarely hear of people defending themselves with a firearm, but I hear all the time of people getting themselves shot or loved ones shot, or their children shooting each other.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Unfortunately, a lot of the studies that come down on both sides of the determination have some questionable methodologies, so the scientific jury is out, I'm afraid.
FWIW, I read about defensive gun usages more often than I do about things like kids getting hold of guns and shooting a playmate or suchlike...and FAR more often than I read about some psycho committing mass murder. Not as often, however, as I hear about "normal" criminal misuse of guns.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)if that is not the definition of over-the-top, I am not sure what is
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)his big gun failed him again.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)bhikkhu
(10,726 posts)...in that you don't have to butcher 4 to create one. Without security the others don't amount to much, but the best balance isn't necessarily what is best for any given individual, but for a given culture.
For instance, if you propose how you'd have to arrange things to maintain an adequate level of security in a society of immature asshats, it would be a whole different thing from the arrangement that would work well for a society more generally mature, compassionate and responsible.
Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)People have a right to guns, but people should be free to enact sensible controls on them. Sensible and enforced gun laws would benefit all. You should have a gun for home protection and for sport, but no one should be allowed to be armed better than a mercenary or swat team member. Our system of Justice should be allowed to work w/o a finger on the scale. It should also be allowed to go after ANY law breaker (Bush/Cheney/Wall St. Bankers etc.). We should be free from unreasonable searches and seizures (warrant less wire tapping, electronic eavesdropping, stop & frisk policies etc.), yet submit to searches at airports, big public events and the like to protect the public in this era of crazies, terrorists and their ilk. There was a balance to all of this, but the gun lobby, the wealthy, and wall streeters have co-opted our Government to the point that they write the laws to favor themselves and we have let it happen. It will only get worse until it gets bad enough to bring together everyone that that they (the ones truly in control), have fighting each other b/c of intentionally mis-directed anger. We all need to understand that it is not Republicans and/or Democrats that are the problem. Everyone that understands this, needs to educate as many as possible of these facts. We fight over things like gun control, but lobbies like the NRA spread fear and dis-information, which make gun enthusiasts believe that it if they agree to something like banning large clips, assault rifles, waiting periods, that it will not stop until their right to keep and bear arms is gone. Others need to respect the choice that some make, to own and responsibly use fire arms. Gun control is just one of the debates that the corporations and the elite use to distract us, just like abortion, gay rights... These debates will always exist. Let's just make sure that WE THE PEOPLE, get back control of our Government and media so we can have fair and reasonable debates over these issues to determine where we draw the lines!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Doesn't matter whether the object of that fear is real or manufactured, scare 'em and they'll swallow anything on the promise that this will make it all better.
villager
(26,001 posts)...every time...
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Please provide a link and attribution so the artist gets credit.
Thanks
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Don't want DU to get in hot water for copyright violation
It looks like a Bennett, which you can find at Chattanooga Times Free Press site, I believe.
I'm on dialup or I'd look it up, but that site wouldn't load here til next week.
Love the cartoon, BTW
cbrer
(1,831 posts)Not a bit funny.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)kentuck
(111,111 posts)k&r
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Because it could be used that way.
Which makes it lose track here....