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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:19 PM Dec 2017

Do you want Al Franken to resign?

Given our current political situation, just about any other remedy would be better.

Have him do public appearances in a straightjacket or the Hannibal Lecter restraints.

Let his accusers throw tomatoes at him.

Give him a chaperone.

The Senate is too close. And even the things he's accused of pale in comparison to what Trump or Moore has done, and there doesn't seem to be any rush on the GOP side to show those guys the door.

I'm wondering how many people think his misdeeds merit giving the GOP an even clearer path to finish up their tax bill and damage they want to do to the rest of us.

And everyone in the Senate who is calling for Al to resign should promise to permanently do away with the filibuster when Democrats regain the Senate because they shouldn't be allowed to hide behind that if they think they can afford to throw seats away.

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Do you want Al Franken to resign? (Original Post) yurbud Dec 2017 OP
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #1
no no no no no no no no no! samnsara Dec 2017 #2
No. Polly Hennessey Dec 2017 #3
see reply #1 IADEMO2004 Dec 2017 #4
No! ret5hd Dec 2017 #5
Hell NO! democratisphere Dec 2017 #6
I want him to call out the useful idiots by name and then sit as an independent Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #7
Absolutely NOT... FarPoint Dec 2017 #8
F**K NO! no_hypocrisy Dec 2017 #9
Not NO but HELL NO............. Bengus81 Dec 2017 #10
You should set this up as a poll still_one Dec 2017 #11
I'm not a star member, but feel free to copy my post word for word and set one up. yurbud Dec 2017 #201
I didn't realize you needed to be a star member to do that. Since I have your permission, I'll do still_one Dec 2017 #205
Freakin NO! Cattledog Dec 2017 #12
Nope. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #13
No ornotna Dec 2017 #14
Hell NO intheozone Dec 2017 #15
Nope Bettie Dec 2017 #16
No. raging moderate Dec 2017 #17
Damn I though this was a poll Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #18
No!!! Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #19
The Dems who said Clinton focused too much on character are focusing delisen Dec 2017 #20
im ready to send a fax to Cantwell and Murray.. my Senators... I want... samnsara Dec 2017 #21
No. But I'll support the decisions of those on the front lines. Hortensis Dec 2017 #22
I do not support bad decisions by anyone. In the beltway bubble, certain voices yurbud Dec 2017 #200
You'd support your own bad decisions, and I do believe Hortensis Dec 2017 #224
your last paragraph would make sense if they weren't sawing off their nose to spite their face yurbud Dec 2017 #225
NO! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #23
NOPE. BigDemVoter Dec 2017 #24
Hell NO mulsh Dec 2017 #25
No. Tipperary Dec 2017 #26
NOT JUST NO, FUCK NO!!!!! beaglelover Dec 2017 #27
Heck No. awesomerwb1 Dec 2017 #28
NO F'ING WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2naSalit Dec 2017 #29
Absolutely NOT! FiveGoodMen Dec 2017 #30
Not really, no. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2017 #31
No. Not without due process. LisaL Dec 2017 #32
Ditto! Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #38
That right if he were to go down at least do it right the American way!! Mystery sage Dec 2017 #51
No MoonRiver Dec 2017 #33
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! lunamagica Dec 2017 #34
NO CatMor Dec 2017 #35
no i want him to stay and fight questionseverything Dec 2017 #36
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Demonaut Dec 2017 #37
Not before the Senate investigation is complete. NightWatcher Dec 2017 #39
NO. VOX Dec 2017 #40
No. C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #41
No TEB Dec 2017 #42
HELL NO!!!! avebury Dec 2017 #43
hell no bluestarone Dec 2017 #44
No Jimbo101 Dec 2017 #45
No. NO. Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #46
oh Hell NO SarasotaDem Dec 2017 #47
No, please Al, don't! Dennis Donovan Dec 2017 #48
He should NOT resign! AC_Mem Dec 2017 #49
Absolutely NOT! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #50
Hell no! ollie10 Dec 2017 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #53
Hell no wryter2000 Dec 2017 #54
No, a thousand times, no! Glorfindel Dec 2017 #55
NO infinity benld74 Dec 2017 #56
Fight this right wing hit job!!! Do the investigation!! blimablam Dec 2017 #57
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO onecaliberal Dec 2017 #58
no handmade34 Dec 2017 #59
Yes.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2017 #60
No no no! marlakay Dec 2017 #61
No, this would be self defeating and insane Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #62
a thousand times NO!!!!! msdogi Dec 2017 #63
NEGATIVE Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #64
No Jarqui Dec 2017 #65
No, face the Ethics Committee RhodeIslandOne Dec 2017 #66
Absolutely. Let them do their job. Guilded Lilly Dec 2017 #89
Aw hell naw lunasun Dec 2017 #67
NO! nt frogmarch Dec 2017 #68
NO WAY!!! healthnut7 Dec 2017 #69
No Progressive dog Dec 2017 #70
If we can guarantee Keith Ellison, and also Doug Jones over Roy Moore Fluke a Snooker Dec 2017 #71
Not getting ahead of Franken....Yet...Let's See If He Does The Right Thing First.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2017 #87
Fair enough Fluke a Snooker Dec 2017 #218
Hell No. rgbecker Dec 2017 #72
Hell, no! Did the party learn anything about purity politics from last year's presidential election? Efilroft Sul Dec 2017 #73
No. 56miSSie Dec 2017 #74
Fuck no. MrsMatt Dec 2017 #75
Nope. treestar Dec 2017 #76
NO calikid Dec 2017 #77
No! Kajun Gal Dec 2017 #78
NO n/t tazkcmo Dec 2017 #79
NO! walkingman Dec 2017 #80
Negatory, good buddy Roland99 Dec 2017 #81
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! rainy Dec 2017 #82
No and Hell No. whathehell Dec 2017 #83
Hell no bullimiami Dec 2017 #84
No! MelissaB Dec 2017 #85
Hell NO!!!! Daphne08 Dec 2017 #86
Of course not FBaggins Dec 2017 #88
Al is a powerful voice in the senate AND one of a handful respect by both wings of party yurbud Dec 2017 #204
The first half of that is obvious FBaggins Dec 2017 #209
Because the centrists are bailing? yurbud Dec 2017 #222
"Centrists" ? FBaggins Dec 2017 #223
I would like to know what the people of Minnesota think. Tatiana Dec 2017 #90
I'm a Minnesotan and I say hell no! scarletwoman Dec 2017 #114
Hell to the naw!!! uponit7771 Dec 2017 #91
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! SCLumbeelady Dec 2017 #92
No, beacuse... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #93
Only if Trump resigns. Lint Head Dec 2017 #94
NO NO NO NO NO NO Pachamama Dec 2017 #95
NOPE. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #96
Fucking NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #97
No!!!! Freedomofspeech Dec 2017 #98
liz warren, mitch mcconnel, donald trump and kirsti gillibrand agree, al must go without msongs Dec 2017 #99
No....if annoymous accusers can do this... Historic NY Dec 2017 #100
No MiltonBrown Dec 2017 #101
no Auggie Dec 2017 #102
No. roamer65 Dec 2017 #103
No!!! I just emailed him to stick out the investigation not be railroaded. stuffmatters Dec 2017 #104
NO. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #105
Only he knows the answer. If he is guilty he should resign. If not he should fight. Nt stevenleser Dec 2017 #106
No, absolutely not! ananda Dec 2017 #107
WTF GD NO 🛑 voteearlyvoteoften Dec 2017 #108
Hell no!! allnews Dec 2017 #109
No! mia Dec 2017 #110
No. enough Dec 2017 #111
No! spicysista Dec 2017 #112
Oh hell no!!! Absolutely not!!!! nt scarletwoman Dec 2017 #113
No. I think that ethics investigation was a better idea Vogon_Glory Dec 2017 #115
No no no and no kimbutgar Dec 2017 #116
Absolutely fricken NO pazzyanne Dec 2017 #117
If he goes through an ethics inquiry and the charges are found to have merit Egnever Dec 2017 #118
I want Roy Moore to drop out of the race, and I want Trump to resign Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #119
Hell NO PossiblePasts Dec 2017 #120
No. yardwork Dec 2017 #121
Oh hell no! oasis Dec 2017 #122
NO! flamingdem Dec 2017 #123
NO!!! And the Democrats shouldn't be calling for him to resign either. Luciferous Dec 2017 #124
NO! uncle ray Dec 2017 #125
NO Thinkingabout Dec 2017 #126
No. muntrv Dec 2017 #127
Please take my poll: spooky3 Dec 2017 #128
He has to! VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #129
Why does fucking up mean you're toast? I guess you wouldn't know, LAS14 Dec 2017 #216
Absolutely not nt doc03 Dec 2017 #130
NO. Let the investigation play out. nt Persondem Dec 2017 #131
No freaking way! catchnrelease Dec 2017 #132
HELL NO! n/t il_lilac Dec 2017 #133
Ditto rock Dec 2017 #198
NO! Loge23 Dec 2017 #134
Fuck no. And no. ancianita Dec 2017 #135
Fucking hell no!!!! Initech Dec 2017 #136
No. Never. Al Franken rocks. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #137
I want the ethics investigation. I want all branches of government treated the same way Freethinker65 Dec 2017 #138
+1 meadowlander Dec 2017 #175
NO HE SHOULD NOT RESIGN !!!! trueblue2007 Dec 2017 #139
Absolutely NOT. calimary Dec 2017 #140
No. Generic Brad Dec 2017 #141
No LakeArenal Dec 2017 #142
No. Snackshack Dec 2017 #143
I think its a good move for the party at this point. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #144
I dunno, I trust Warren, I like Harris and HopeAgain Dec 2017 #145
Fuck no. I ain't fuckin' stupid. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2017 #146
Hell no. SHRED Dec 2017 #147
No!!!!! N/t Ninga Dec 2017 #148
NO nclib Dec 2017 #149
Never! pandr32 Dec 2017 #150
No and hell no!!!!!!! Butterflylady Dec 2017 #151
I think if Dem Senators succeed in forcing Franken out . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #152
I don't think he should resign. I want him in the Senate. -Steph- Dec 2017 #153
I want the people WhO want Franken to resign to resign! Nm bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #154
Nope. old guy Dec 2017 #155
Do I want him to, no... al bupp Dec 2017 #156
NO bdamomma Dec 2017 #157
NO snort Dec 2017 #158
No. Hell No. Never. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #159
NO!!! GReedDiamond Dec 2017 #160
If what has been made public so far is it, no. TDale313 Dec 2017 #161
Hell, No! sarcasmo Dec 2017 #162
No. Nt redwitch Dec 2017 #163
NO NO NO AND ! stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #164
Definitely not!! Hes one of our smartest guys and very effective. Bluepinky Dec 2017 #165
Hell no bdamomma Dec 2017 #166
No,no,no....... eom prairierose Dec 2017 #167
No. At least, not now. nt Ilsa Dec 2017 #168
No renate Dec 2017 #169
No Generic Other Dec 2017 #170
Absolutely NOT Meowmee Dec 2017 #171
Nope mvd Dec 2017 #172
Yes brooklynite Dec 2017 #173
I am sort of like you. Blue_true Dec 2017 #184
NO! He's being swiftboated and his Dem colleagues are too worried about '18 Blaukraut Dec 2017 #174
Only if the Fascist steaming load goes first Sugarcoated Dec 2017 #176
Eight victims. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #177
Really? I dont believe them. wisteria Dec 2017 #186
No!!! turntxblue Dec 2017 #178
Nyet. dchill Dec 2017 #179
I think he should resign Beakybird Dec 2017 #180
I am turning away from this party and becoming an Independent because of this wisteria Dec 2017 #187
For what exactly? The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #181
NO! chillfactor Dec 2017 #182
Yes, absolutely. Blue_true Dec 2017 #183
I dont believe them. wisteria Dec 2017 #188
Two were Democratic field volunteers and one worked for a Dem Rep. Blue_true Dec 2017 #217
A No here. wisteria Dec 2017 #185
NO! lady lib Dec 2017 #189
No, not even for a minute. SaveAmerica Dec 2017 #190
HELL NO! burrowowl Dec 2017 #191
At this point, yes Azathoth Dec 2017 #192
Congratulations. It's now open season on any Democrat. Demit Dec 2017 #211
That's not what I said Azathoth Dec 2017 #220
Because "day 1" was a photo that was real, even as the description of it was a lie. Demit Dec 2017 #221
No No No - want him to stay WyLoochka Dec 2017 #193
No KewlKat Dec 2017 #194
NO! nt Raine Dec 2017 #195
Nyet, nyet, nyet. sweetroxie Dec 2017 #196
NO.......................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #197
NO...NO WAY!!!!!!! womanofthehills Dec 2017 #199
NO AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #202
no lapfog_1 Dec 2017 #203
NO!! A thousand times NO!! rainin Dec 2017 #206
Franken needs to stay in the Senate Gothmog Dec 2017 #207
NO. aintitfunny Dec 2017 #208
It's funny that some chew my ass for not saying we should blindly support EVERY Democrat yurbud Dec 2017 #210
They seem to think any cookie-cutter Dem will do. Demit Dec 2017 #213
No 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #212
Hell NO ebbie15644 Dec 2017 #214
No! LAS14 Dec 2017 #215
Franken 110liberal Dec 2017 #219
It makes me wonder how much they actually care about what the Republicans are doing yurbud Dec 2017 #226
 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
7. I want him to call out the useful idiots by name and then sit as an independent
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:21 PM
Dec 2017

He can choose down the road whether or not he wants to reconcile with future senate leadership.

FarPoint

(12,469 posts)
8. Absolutely NOT...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:22 PM
Dec 2017

I'm sick of spineless Democrats who always ask me for money or support...and fail the Party at every turn.... ultimately failing everyone of us...

still_one

(92,479 posts)
205. I didn't realize you needed to be a star member to do that. Since I have your permission, I'll do
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:46 AM
Dec 2017

it, thanks

Bettie

(16,134 posts)
16. Nope
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:23 PM
Dec 2017

but I'm sure we'll enjoy the moral high ground when we're getting screwed over by Ryan/McConnell.

They're all laughing at us, but we've got the moral high ground.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,333 posts)
18. Damn I though this was a poll
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:23 PM
Dec 2017

No he shouldn't resign at least not yet. Do the damn investigation. If something more substantial than anonymous sources comes up then yes he should go.

delisen

(6,046 posts)
20. The Dems who said Clinton focused too much on character are focusing
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:23 PM
Dec 2017

on character--just not on Trump's character.

samnsara

(17,651 posts)
21. im ready to send a fax to Cantwell and Murray.. my Senators... I want...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:24 PM
Dec 2017

...trumps head for their decision but I do like the idea of demands. I want SOMETHING in return for my favorite person of all time being tarred and feathered for a far less act of impropriety than any one else accused...and the verdicts still out for me RE: Garrison Keillor...and I'm giving grandpa Bush a pass cuz hes the same age as my dad who once forgot to put on his pants.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
200. I do not support bad decisions by anyone. In the beltway bubble, certain voices
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:42 AM
Dec 2017

may have a disproportionate impact.

They are our elected representatives not our masters. If they fuck up, they need to know it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
224. You'd support your own bad decisions, and I do believe
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:31 PM
Dec 2017

you've leaped to one in this case. None of us were sitting in on the intense discussions and strategy sessions, with presentations of facts and studies, that our party leaders did. I don't know a fraction of what I need to to make a decision on this, so you certainly cannot. And blowing hot air is not the same as thinking.

Fwiw, I see nothing wrong with displaying unhappiness or happiness as the case may be, at losing Franken. They should know that, including the female senators who started this.

Attacking our party instead of the Republicans who targeted Franken for attack, though, is in a distant galaxy of baaaad decisionmaking. Except for those who want to strengthen the GOP, of course.

questionseverything

(9,664 posts)
36. no i want him to stay and fight
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:32 PM
Dec 2017

at this point I would like every senator that has called for his resignation to grow a spine

avebury

(10,953 posts)
43. HELL NO!!!!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:36 PM
Dec 2017

I am sick and tired of the Democratic Party constantly acting against their own best interests. They want to shove Al Franken out of the Senate based upon unsubstantiated allegations. What happened to innocent before proven guilty?

If they succeed in shoving him out of the Senate that will be the last straw as far as I am concerned.

It is really sad that the only hope that we have is that Mueller will be able to do something about the Trump/Republican crime family. I most certainly don't believe that we can rely upon the Democrats. They are too busy self destructing.

AC_Mem

(1,979 posts)
49. He should NOT resign!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:40 PM
Dec 2017

We need him. The fact is, if every politician, entertainer, public figure, etc. was 'fired" for using their power to intimidate, there would be nobody left. I do not condone mistreatment of females - being female myself and having experienced it throughout my life, as most women probably have in one way or another. However, this is just a witch hunt. They are LOVING the fact that the pressure is on for Al to step down because they FEAR him.

The SNL days were full of sex, drugs and rock and roll. Everyone knows it. It does not excuse it but then again, he didn't know he would be a senator one day either. I don't know why we aren't doing what we can to support him - do what THEY do - have him go to sex rehab and "pray for forgiveness" - it seems to work for the GOP, right? Or just deny it happened, like they do.

He is one of our best, politically. Losing him is a huge loss for us.

I'm so mad at my party right now i could scream. FIGHT DAMMIT FIGHT. Stop rolling over and watching while our country is being destroyed! You can't win a knife fight with a banana democrats. You are FIGHTING FOR OUR LIVES - get busy!!!

Stop asking for my money when I don't see you doing anything with it. Ask for my time and talents to help organize and get ready for 2018. I do not get one call asking for me to volunteer, just to give money that will be matched. This is about more than money - we need people and energy. MONEY IS THE PROBLEM.

<crying> we need B.O. ... i miss him so much...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
50. Absolutely NOT!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:47 PM
Dec 2017

Fuck this! I expect the republicans to call for him to resign, but I am absolutely disgusted by the Democrats who are jumping on the bandwagon when there is NO PROOF! Wait until there has been a thorough investigation, at the very least! I am so sick of our spineless "so called" leaders. It's hard to keep fighting for a party that won't fight for itself.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
52. Hell no!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:52 PM
Dec 2017

A more important question is why are the Lynch Mob Senators trying to avoid an investigation?

Why aren't they asking for Trump's resignation?

Why aren't they speaking up to the Re;publlican hate machine and calling them out on this set-up?

It's politics. And it is cowardice.

Response to yurbud (Original post)

wryter2000

(46,109 posts)
54. Hell no
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:53 PM
Dec 2017

All the women worked with him say he's an honorable man. None of the other harrassers can say the same, dems or repubs. This is bogus, and we shouldn't be lying down for it.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
60. Yes....
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:56 PM
Dec 2017

Along with 26 of his colleagues in the Senate, including the Senate Minority Leader, Chuck Schumer.

Rhiannon12866

(206,340 posts)
62. No, this would be self defeating and insane
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:59 PM
Dec 2017

And the attacks on him and calls for his resignation have very little to do with the accusations of sexual impropriety.

healthnut7

(249 posts)
69. NO WAY!!!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:08 PM
Dec 2017

Somehow I see the R's hands behind these women!! Al has been a thorn in their side and if they can rid of him, that would be fantastic!!
If, the first one hadn't worked for FOX and also the fact that the photographer taking that picture said she was in on it, gives me pause to now believe any of them.
Plus if they allow Perv Moore to join them in the Senate, than how dare anyone, ask anyone else to leave. IMO!!

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
71. If we can guarantee Keith Ellison, and also Doug Jones over Roy Moore
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:13 PM
Dec 2017

This is a sticky issue (really bad pun), but let's check and see what type of lemonade we can make out of this. I'm looking at this from the perspective of how we can increase the overall advantage of the Democratic Party, particularly its progressive Senate presence.

1. Even if Franken stays in, his effectiveness will be highly diminished. He's already being taken off committees, and it will not be too easy for him to remain an effective force for the progressive movement, or even represent the state of Minnesota.

2. Also, if he stays in until his term ends in 2020, the race will be conflated with the presidential election for most likely Democratic presidential nominee and general election winner Kamala Harris. As a wounded incumbant, it will inflame the conservative minions and risk losing both the senate seat and the presidential electoral votes.

3. Therefore, his resignation makes sense. WE CAN TURN THIS TO OUR ADVANTAGE.

4. In Minnesota, the governor is tasked with appointing a senator if the current senator has to leave office for any reason. As the appointment is only valid until the next election cycle, it is an executive decision that needs no legislative nor constitutent input.

5. Ideally, he will appoint Keith Ellison, DNC second-in-command and would make him the most highly-placed Muslim in the US Government, as well as a strong progressive. Finally, he's relatively young at age 54, so he can remain for a long time.

6. As someone who has already been in Congress for over 10 years in the House, Ellison has established roots and contacts all throughout the beltway.

7. In 2018, Ellison would have to run in a special election to fill out the remaining 2-year term. If he's been in office for a year, he will have established his campaign contacts and be able to run an effective campaign. Now, the OTHER senate seat, held by Amy Klobuchar, will be holding it's regularly-scheduled senate election for the full 6-year term. With both Ellison and Klobuchar running, this will provide a UNIQUE advantage to BOTH candidates in terms of messaging and Democratic turnout. Finally, as a mid-term election cycle, there will be no distracting presidential race to gum up the works.

8. In this case, Ellison will be fully expected to win (as well Klobucher) and maintain the Franken seat. With a senate election victory, Ellison will solidify his campaign contribution network, and he will be ideally set up in 2020 when he runs for the full 6-year seat.

Sweet lemonade from a sour GOP-pushed lemon.

The bottom line: It sucks GOP balls that the GOP is hypocritically forcing the negation of Franken's influence, even though his "crime" is not even in the same ballpark as Moore's sexual molestation and exploitation of a child. Thank god Doug Jones will win (we have a very nasty surprise for Molester Moore this coming Sunday, watch and fume). But by replacing Franken with Ellison, we will actually make it much easier for Ellison to become senator and to maintain a progressive lockhold on the senate seat for another generation.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
87. Not getting ahead of Franken....Yet...Let's See If He Does The Right Thing First....
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:30 PM
Dec 2017

And #Resigns -- Then, the discussion on if DNC Deputy Chair Keith Ellison should be appointed by Gov. Mark Dayton, can be indeed had.

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
218. Fair enough
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:30 AM
Dec 2017

As someone who plays the long game (for instance, the transformation of the United States into a progressive democracy working in conjunction with a globalist anti-capitalist agenda), I am always two steps ahead of the GOP huns.

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
72. Hell No.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:15 PM
Dec 2017

Stop the railroad now and concentrate on Trump and Moore's actual sexual assault rather than Franken's so called "Groping"...embracing a fan for a picture.

Efilroft Sul

(3,585 posts)
73. Hell, no! Did the party learn anything about purity politics from last year's presidential election?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:17 PM
Dec 2017

Apparently the Democrats for Roger Stone, led by Senator Gillibrand, did not.

 

Kajun Gal

(1,907 posts)
78. No!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:26 PM
Dec 2017

He is doing our country good. I don't live in Minnesota but I called to give him my support. I have written him as well. He should NOT resign. Not at all!

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
88. Of course not
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:31 PM
Dec 2017

I want him to go back in time and keep his hands and lips to himself. I want him to stop assuming that just because he's rich and famous and powerful and SOME women want him, that he can assume that EVERY woman wants him.

Not having that option and becoming convinced that eight is almost certainly just the tip of the iceberg (along with the near certainty that backing him gives Moore a win)... YES, he should resign.

I'm wondering how many people think his misdeeds merit giving the GOP an even clearer path to finish up their tax bill

I don't see how anyone can draw that conclusion. There's little chance of losing his seat if he resigns now and there's little chance of winning the Alabama race if he isn't forced out. That's just the opposite of giving the GOP their tax bill.

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
209. The first half of that is obvious
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:51 AM
Dec 2017

(Though it should be irrelevant)

The second does not appear to be true.

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
223. "Centrists" ?
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:00 PM
Dec 2017

An odd label for many who have called for him to resign.

Markey is a centrist now? Warren? Brown? Sanders?

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
90. I would like to know what the people of Minnesota think.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:31 PM
Dec 2017

Personally, I say HELL NO. This is a set-up and McConnell's comments solidify that point. He wants to let the voters of Alabama decide, but not the voters of Minnesota?

I call BS.

But, I think Al needs to see a strong show of support from the people of Minnesota that elected him.

Mike Nelson

(9,975 posts)
93. No, beacuse...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:33 PM
Dec 2017

...something seems "off" about the entire Franken scandal, from the very beginning. he has stated the recent woman claiming an unwanted kiss is not accurate. then, someone claimed he groped her waist? Franken probably asked for hundreds of photos and put his arms around the waist or shoulders of people - it's not sexual, it's acknowledging someone who likes you enough to want a photo - and they are the first to want the physical touch.

We really need to hear more... and it's possible those asking for him to resign know more than we do... but, I'm just going on what we have revealed, now. I would let the ethics committee do their job. It seems, to me, something is askew...

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
95. NO NO NO NO NO NO
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:34 PM
Dec 2017

Franken should absolutely not resign... there should be an ethics investigation and he should have his right to face his accusers and the facts brought out. I don’t believe this should be a case of resignation under pressure. I think the moral equivalency being painted here between what Trump or Roy Moore or John conyers or DONAlD TRUMP is Night and day! If he resigns he doesn’t have the opportunity to speak and bring out what happened.

msongs

(67,465 posts)
99. liz warren, mitch mcconnel, donald trump and kirsti gillibrand agree, al must go without
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:38 PM
Dec 2017

any due process whatsoever

Historic NY

(37,457 posts)
100. No....if annoymous accusers can do this...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:39 PM
Dec 2017

of the two or more pictures out there none show anything. Its peculiar that most have almost matching stories. Its also peculiar when addition pictures taken of the USO period, the alleged victims also participated is some pretty risque pictures. I want to hear more of the story, which the Senate inquiry would have.

ananda

(28,888 posts)
107. No, absolutely not!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:46 PM
Dec 2017

The bar is set waayy too high for Franken in light
of the clear guilt of Trump, Moore, and his supporters.

Vogon_Glory

(9,133 posts)
115. No. I think that ethics investigation was a better idea
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:33 PM
Dec 2017

No, I don’t think Senator Franken should resign before an ethics investigation.

Maybe his hands went out of bounds, maybe they didn’t; but in these sorry times of rife lying and rat-f*ckery, I see no reason why we Democrats should rush to judgement.

BTW I am seething in anger.

kimbutgar

(21,229 posts)
116. No no no and no
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:38 PM
Dec 2017

This is a right wing hit job.

I like Tina Dupree but sometimes when you’re happy you do stupid things. I hit a guys ass once in jest and he wasn’t happy and I apologized. So am I a sexual harasser?

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
117. Absolutely fricken NO
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:39 PM
Dec 2017

till the ethics committee investigation is completed. Due process is becoming an endangered process and I won't do anything to hasten its demise.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
118. If he goes through an ethics inquiry and the charges are found to have merit
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:39 PM
Dec 2017

Yep.

Short of that Hell no!

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
119. I want Roy Moore to drop out of the race, and I want Trump to resign
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:40 PM
Dec 2017

When those two things happen, *THEN* we'll talk about Franken and not before

VMA131Marine

(4,158 posts)
129. He has to!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:55 PM
Dec 2017

He fucked up! Toast!

I feel sorriest for his wife and daughter. This will be incredibly hard for them.

LAS14

(13,789 posts)
216. Why does fucking up mean you're toast? I guess you wouldn't know,
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:10 AM
Dec 2017

because you've never fucked up. Oh! Right! If you fuck up in any way having to do with the relations between the sexes, then, of course you're toast and should lose your job. And maybe open a chance for another Republican in Congress to continue to destroy the planet, erase totally any hope for the poor.
Say good bye to income equality... Sorry, I forgot.

Initech

(100,112 posts)
136. Fucking hell no!!!!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:00 PM
Dec 2017

This is a Bannon hit job and I want to kick that racist motherfucker's ass to the curb! He should be dragged off to Supermax for his fucking crimes!!!!

Freethinker65

(10,081 posts)
138. I want the ethics investigation. I want all branches of government treated the same way
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:02 PM
Dec 2017

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Treated the same way when accusations arise....no back door settlements, no sweeping under the rug, no gotcha questions and answers. Just the facts. Out in the open.

I want a public discussion on what currently is considered harassment/sexual harassment. Once Congress figures out what it is, if it applies to Congresspeople, it should also apply in the public sector. It should be a civil right to be protected from such harassment.

That will never happen.

meadowlander

(4,411 posts)
175. +1
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:46 AM
Dec 2017

I want an ethics investigation to establish the facts and then a reasoned decision on whether Franken should resign or not.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
143. No.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:08 PM
Dec 2017

Not with out an investigation.

Having said that the number of Dems who are calling for his resignation gives me pause. I hate to think that Warren / Sanders would call for his resignation based solely on the allegations in order to be perceived as the “we go high when they go low” BS. If this is the case than the Democratic Party is more spineless now than it has ever been and at the worst possible time. I want to believe that they would call for his resignation because there is more to this than we know and IF Franken does resign tomorrow it is save the embarrassment of an investigation. Either way this completely and totally sucks and is a total gut punch. Republicans have a president who is on tape saying the things he said as well as a potential traitor...and a pedophile who is most likely going to win a senate seat from Alabama...and the Dems are being forced to resign. It is surreal.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
144. I think its a good move for the party at this point.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:09 PM
Dec 2017

I see two option. He resigns or says he won’t seek re-election and fully cooperates with an ethics investigation. Its politics. If he looks good after the investigation he can run again. He wouldn’t lose a thing.

I’m still good with a resignation. It’s taken on a life of its own.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
145. I dunno, I trust Warren, I like Harris and
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:10 PM
Dec 2017

Over thirty of our Senators are apparently on the same page. We have to trust our leaders, I can't believe it's all just a knee jerk reaction.

Most of all, I want Franken to follow his conscience. He's really the only one with all the information.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
152. I think if Dem Senators succeed in forcing Franken out . . .
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:19 PM
Dec 2017

Their intellectual and ethical credibility is in question, and their ability to govern is as suspect as Donald Trump's.

Republicans will think (rightfully) that Democrats can be easily stampeded if you can find the right hot button, and they will continue pressing that button on other Dems until it stops working. The American people will see Dems as weak-kneed and unprincipled.

This is a disaster, the only solution for which is Franken to refuse to resign.

al bupp

(2,195 posts)
156. Do I want him to, no...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:21 PM
Dec 2017

But does he have to, I'm afraid, yes. The women are right. It's right thing to do at this point both morally and politically. Reports say his seat will likely go to Dem Lt Gov, a woman.

Don't get me wrong, I hate loosing his voice, but big picture, the damn has broken, and too many of his democratic senate colleagues have now called for his resignation for him to reasonably not acquiesce.

rzemanfl

(29,575 posts)
159. No. Hell No. Never.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:22 PM
Dec 2017

The names I don't see here don't surprise me. There has to be shit before it can be stirred.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
161. If what has been made public so far is it, no.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:27 PM
Dec 2017

But if he (and possibly the Dems pressing for his resignation) know there is more out there, it may make sense.

Conyers? Yes, he needed to step down.

I do *not* subscribe to the idea that Republicans won’t hold their politicians to account- why should we? These are serious issues and more important than party. Sexual harassment, abuse, and rape have been swept under the rug for far too long. But does what Franken’s accused of warrant resignation? I would say no. I do want my party to do the right thing. Harassers should not get a pass because it’s politically convenient.

bdamomma

(63,938 posts)
166. Hell no
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:49 PM
Dec 2017

and I just found out that my two Dem Senators from RI what him out too. Needless to say I just left both a messages on their voicemail.

Shit, do not step down Senator Franken this is a set up.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
171. Absolutely NOT
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:32 AM
Dec 2017

The decromats calling for his resignation are putting the final nail in the coffin of this country.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
172. Nope
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:33 AM
Dec 2017

I feel an ethics investigation may find little substance to these claims. We know the first one was very trivial, and most of the rest have been anonymous. Needs a fair hearing.

brooklynite

(94,808 posts)
173. Yes
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:33 AM
Dec 2017

This will seem callous to some, but I have no emotion and no loyalty when it comes to candidates I support. If you're not viable going forward, I'll find someone who is. I've supported Franken in the past, and I respect what he's done as a Senator, but the growing number of accusations, and the lack of a clear denial, has tainted his future prospects, which is why the DNC Chair and a majority of Democratic Senators have called for him to step down in favor of an equally progressive Minnesota Democrat.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
184. I am sort of like you.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:23 AM
Dec 2017

I will go the limit and beyond for a solid Democrat. But if I get one wiff of a sustained odor that says that person will hurt the party if he or she stays in office, my shiv come out fast.

Blaukraut

(5,695 posts)
174. NO! He's being swiftboated and his Dem colleagues are too worried about '18
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:36 AM
Dec 2017

That's what this is all about. They probably know that this is a hit job but don't want to have to defend him while trying to get back house and senate. Well, if Franken resigns, it will open the floodgates of other Democrats being anonymously accused because the people who are behind this will see that it works.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
186. Really? I dont believe them.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:45 AM
Dec 2017

And I won’t be women shamed into supporting them just because they have vaginias like me.

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
180. I think he should resign
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:59 AM
Dec 2017

Some of the anonymous accusers are cited by journalists as being Democrats. I don't think what he's accused of doing is that bad, but I'm a guy. I believe the accusers though, and there are many out there.
Part of winning in politics is appealing to independents. I think this Franken thing turns off people who don't pay much attention to politics.
That his replacement would be a Democrat makes the loss tolerable IMO.
 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
187. I am turning away from this party and becoming an Independent because of this
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:47 AM
Dec 2017

Democratic bullshit. This move doesn’t appeal to me.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
183. Yes, absolutely.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:16 AM
Dec 2017

Too many women have stepped forward, several are strong Democrats. We can't get into looking the other way for one of our own.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
188. I dont believe them.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:50 AM
Dec 2017

And, I heard it was 1 angry Dem. Not several. And, if they are anonymous, how would you know who they are?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
217. Two were Democratic field volunteers and one worked for a Dem Rep.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:25 AM
Dec 2017

If you took time to have read the first stories when they came forward, you would know that. Franken has a problem, I refuse to put blinders on while he stays and damages the Democratic Party. To hell with Roy Moore, if republicans bring him to Washington, they are immoral fools and that will ultimately destroy them.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
192. At this point, yes
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:21 AM
Dec 2017

And I say that as a Franken fan since the days of Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot. The sheer number of accusations makes me believe that the guy is probably inappropriate around women, but the real indictment against him is that he seems incapable of defending himself. His wishy-washy half-apologies and vague statements and inability to categorically deny anything mean that, on a purely tactical level, he's a liability. That's the real reason Senate Dems are cutting him loose. A senator with a never-ending stream of accusers who isn't able to defend himself is a distraction the party doesn't need.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
211. Congratulations. It's now open season on any Democrat.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:56 AM
Dec 2017

All the GOP has to do is produce a "never-ending" stream of accusers (actually seven dubious ones, and none recent) to create a "distraction" that will make any Democrat a tactical liability. Who cares if it's true or not? It's a "distraction" that we must get rid of. Rinse, lather and repeat.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
220. That's not what I said
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:00 PM
Dec 2017

Assuming this is all "GOP manufactured," why the hell has Franken not called it out as such since day one? Why has there been no pushback from him? If the GOP has the ability to invent an endless stream of accusers, do you really want someone representing us who only knows how to respond to their attacks by hiding and issuing half-apologies?

Franken has handled this in the worst way possible.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
221. Because "day 1" was a photo that was real, even as the description of it was a lie.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:43 PM
Dec 2017

He immediately acknowledged the photo & apologized for the crass humor of it. He DID deny her accusation about the kiss, and her third accusation was revealed by others to be a provable lie so why would he respond?

He didn't have to deny that he "stalked" the radio host because it came out that that accusation was a deliberate mischaracterization.

He denied categorically the accusation about trying to kiss the anonymous woman and he denied saying "it's my right as an entertainer."

This last accusation—that having put his arm around the waist of the woman who asked him to take a picture with her was him "copping a feel"—is so absurd as to be unanswerable. In my view. But I suppose you would know exactly how you would respond effectively to a charge that is ridiculous on its face.

But it doesn't matter now. It was "his turn in the barrel" as Roger Stone said, just before day 1, and we can only sit back and wait for whose turn it will be next. Maybe they'll handle it better, in exactly the way you think they should.

Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
197. NO.......................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 08:46 AM
Dec 2017

This is a ploy...and who knows if they will seat a replacement?

lapfog_1

(29,234 posts)
203. no
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:44 AM
Dec 2017

and I will have to rethink my planned contributions to the Democratic party for the next year if he is forced out.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
206. NO!! A thousand times NO!!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:49 AM
Dec 2017

If he does:

BREAKING: Democrats are weak! They will turn on you for political advantage. Democrats would rather eat their own than call Republicans out on their hypocricy. They don't believe in due process. Candidates with a backbone need not apply. Your colleagues will drop you when the Republicans turn the heat up on you.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
210. It's funny that some chew my ass for not saying we should blindly support EVERY Democrat
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:52 AM
Dec 2017

in other posts, but here when I say Al is too critical to lose without due process, a fair number of people don't seem to care about the consequences of losing him.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
213. They seem to think any cookie-cutter Dem will do.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:05 AM
Dec 2017

As if the only thing senators do is vote. Franken was SO GOOD on committee panels. He didn't posture & bloviate. I could actually FOLLOW a question of his—he wasn't testifying for 5 minutes while he asked it— and it always zeroed in on a key point. Now that's gone.

110liberal

(21 posts)
219. Franken
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:45 AM
Dec 2017

I thank the senators we want Franken to resign "judging" from the posts are out of touch with the base.

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