Hmmm...Some Vermont context to attacks on Joy Reid:

[VermontKevin]

Carina Driscoll will run for mayor of Burlington, the office famously held by her stepfather, Senator Bernie Sanders.

Driscoll announced Monday she will run as an independent, challenging incumbent Democrat Mayor Miro Weinberger, who is seeking a third term.


The South End resident has served on Burlington School Board, in the Vermont Legislature and on the Burlington City Council, and left the council in 2004 to raise her children and start a business, the Vermont Woodworking School.

Earlier this month, while still considering her run, Driscoll said she was motivated by seeing how public policy decisions get made in Burlington currently.


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2017/12/04/sanders-stepdaughter-run-burlington-mayor/918943001/

I will be voting for the Democratic candidate.

[dlk]

1. Context Makes a Difference

[VermontKevin]

2. Indeed. Tax returns are transparency, too.

[ehrnst]

63. Her tax returns are going to be connected to Bernie and Jane's

Perhaps that's why she's keeping them under wraps.

https://vtdigger.org/2017/06/13/one-family-two-schools-questions-swirl-around-another-sanders-deal/

[mythology]

3. How does this connect to Joy Reid?

[VermontKevin]

6. I wondered why Jane Sanders would pick such an obvious fight right before her daughter's

announcement.

Joy had been calling for Sanders' tax returns during the last election.

He's still up for 2018. NO tax returns.

Carina Driscoll, no tax returns.

A voice on MSNBC attacked by Jane Sanders.

Hmmmm.....

[PatsFan87]

25. How did Jane pick a fight with Joy when Joy was the one to makes allegations about

the Sanders' marriage in a tweet? Joy started it and Jane corrected the record- as she should have. If someone is going to publicly and negatively speak about how my husband treats me, I'm going to respond as I'm sure practically everyone on DU would. "Don't start none, won't be none".

[brush]

28. There is that video though of Sanders speaking harshly to his wife by directing her not to stand...

where she was on stage.

That's out there and can't be denied.

It's becoming apparent that there's open season on Joy Reid now, what with the unearthing of 8-year-old blog posts about her alledged anti-gay writings instead of the actual anti-hypocrisy intent of the posts.

Something is up. Is this an attempt to distract from the money plowed into the daughter's business by Jane Sanders when she was still the head of Burlington College (and we all know what a debacle the direction of that now-defunct college was).

Is Joy Reid, because of her effectiveness, suddenly being targeted for a comedown as was Al Franken?

[PatsFan87]

35. Of course people can discuss why Bernie asked Jane not to stand right next to him.

It's all speculation really. I am responding to VermontKevin's phrasing that Jane "picked a fight" by responding to what Joy said. Nobody is "picking a fight" when they are defending themselves or their husband from something negative that is said about them.

[elleng]

52. Right.

[ehrnst]

62. However, if you are FLOTUS, then you are called Paranoid or anti-feminist for criticizing your

husband's detractors.

Jane may want to tread carefully there.

[KitSileya]

51. Not to mention that video of him shoving his hand back into a Abbie Huntsman's face

He was waving his hand very close to her face for several minutes, and in the end she pushed it out of the way. He immediately shoved it back (to me he seemed to get angry with her for defending her personal space.) This was on Bill Maher in 2014.

[NurseJackie]

53. Wow. I can't say what I'm thinking...

... for obvious reasons.

[BoneyardDem]

55. After 8 mins of manspreading and waving his hands in her face, she'd finally had enough

I have yet to see a woman do this so gregariously in any similar context.

[smirkymonkey]

59. What a dick!

Him, not her. I'm amazed she put up with it for as long as she did.

[VermontKevin]

32. Jane chose to engage.

I think that was deliberate.

[PatsFan87]

37. And Joy also made the deliberate choice to use Jane to take a dig at Bernie.

It's kind of pathetic to make Joy the victim in this situation when she was the aggressor who started it.

[R B Garr]

38. Joys point was that they arent moral authorities.

She than gave examples of the hypocrisy. We’ve seen the videos.

[PatsFan87]

43. If you truly have a strong argument that he treats women differently than he treats men,

then you don't need to drag family members into it when you aren't privy to what their relationship is like. Last time I checked, Joy wasn't their family friend, marriage counselor, journalist traveling with them from campaign stop to campaign stop. Using a 5 second clip during a yearlong campaign cycle where he says "don't stand next to me" (And what does that mean? "Don't hog my spotlight", "I'm going to be waving my hands during this speech"?) to make assumptions about him not respecting Jane/treating her as an equal/ etc. is a bit desperate and grabbing at straws.

I'm guessing Joy doesn't have any accounts from female politicians, journalists, staffmembers about Bernie treating them differently? If she does, let's see her bring them forward.

[R B Garr]

48. None of that negates the videos we all can see. I'm just glad we have

someone on our side daring to question and tell the truth instead of sweeping everything under the rug to exalt one person.

[ehrnst]

64. Politicians/Candidates are always targets. If Bernie is to run for POTUS

she had better develop a thicker skin, or she will not fare well.

[karynnj]

54. I think only Presidential candidates put out the tax forms (except Trump obviously)

Senators, by law, fill out their financial disclosure forms - which Bernie did, even though he never put out his taxes for 2015. As to her daughter, I don't think it typical for candidates for mayor to do that.

That said, even though I did not like the late at night actions on Burlington Telecom, I think that Miro has been a very good mayor and will vote for him.

[DURHAM D]

4. Hmmmh -

"and left the council in 2004 to raise her children and start a business, the Vermont Woodworking School"

[VermontKevin]

9. Which got over half the tuition money from each Burlington student:

https://vtdigger.org/2017/06/13/one-family-two-schools-questions-swirl-around-another-sanders-deal/

[sarah FAILIN]

47. wow.

I didn't get all that scandal till this link.

[R B Garr]

56. WOW, and that is a very recent article. Looks like people are finally giving

this the scrutiny it deserves. Only had time for a quick look, but this article really deserves a good read. Looks like Vermonters are not going to stand for this hypocrisy.

Quote from the article:
“This was a sweetheart deal for Carina Driscoll, Jane Sanders’ daughter,” said Moore. Driscoll is the stepdaughter of Bernie Sanders.

[MineralMan]

5. What on Earth does this have to do with Joy Reid?

Or anything else, really?

[saidsimplesimon]

11. Thanks, MM

I agree.

[VermontKevin]

12. Why would Jane Sanders pick a fight with MSNBC days before her daughter's

announcement?

The network that insisted Sanders release his taxes?

[MineralMan]

17. Still makes no sense to me.

It's just a local race for Mayor. I doubt MSNBC even knows about it. As for Senator Sanders' tax returns, I'd like to see those, too. That they were not presented is puzzling and worrisome. But, that has nothing to do with his stepdaughter run for Mayor of Burlington, a race that is of zero interest to anyone who doesn't live in that city.

[VermontKevin]

19. Actually, since the mayor of Burlington was Bernie's role before Senator, it's

of national interest if there is a Bernie 2020 campaign.

Legacy candidates.

[MineralMan]

21. No, I don't think so.

Being Mayor of Burlington is not a pathway to higher office, I think. Sanders got elected for other reasons. Have you ever been to Burlinton, VT?

If Bernie Sanders runs in 2020, which I doubt very much, there will be many, many other issues that become part of the conversation. His stint as Mayor of Burlington will not be one of them. The tax returns might, though.

[VermontKevin]

24. You and I can disagree. But I think you agree that Driscoll and Sanders should release their taxes?

[R B Garr]

34. They are trying to discredit Joy. Its not the first time

they have tried this angle.

[MineralMan]

36. Yes. I've noticed.

Interesting, I think, that such an effort is being made. Disappointing, too.

[OnDoutside]

44. I think that's a fair point.

[VermontKevin]

30. Not his daughter-in-law.

[MineralMan]

33. Right you are. I edited that reply.

[calimary]

27. Well, why shouldn't he release his tax returns?

It immediately provokes a question: what is he trying to hide?

[BoneyardDem]

7. Isn't this the woodworking teacher that was offered a cushy job at a now famous Private university

by Jane, the President of the University?

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/education/2017/05/23/burlington-college-woodworkers-settle-johnson/338719001/

https://vtdigger.org/2017/06/13/one-family-two-schools-questions-swirl-around-another-sanders-deal/

...and now want to run as Mayor? Why the hell not?

https://medium.com/@m.ferrer/nepotism-at-burlington-college-1a9af167ae9b

How did Jane Sanders funnel more than 500k to her daughter’s for-profit woodworking business during her tenure as President of Burlington College and get away with it?

[VermontKevin]

14. Yep..that's the one.

[BoneyardDem]

16. Some people have lots of cojones (cahonies).

Others are destined to expose those cojones (cahonies)

[MineralMan]

22. Cojones.

That is all.

[BoneyardDem]

23. OK...CAJONES...THANKS

[MineralMan]

26. Uh...still not quite right.

It's a word in Spanish. It's spelled "COJONES." You might as well get it right...

[BoneyardDem]

40. Just wanted to own the typo...fess up to it

so glad you were able to understand what I meant the first time around

[brush]

39. Yep, balls to the wall.

[R B Garr]

31. Yes! And the funneling....

They are the last ones to be moral authorities on anyone else.

[ehrnst]

65. Yes, so her tax returns could have implications for Jane, and by extension, Bernie. (nt)

[CentralMass]

8. What does Bernie's. Step dauvhter running for office have to do with Joy Reid

or tax returns ?

[George II]

18. Her mother has been having a twitter war with Joy Reid for several days.

[CentralMass]

29. Thanks.

[BoneyardDem]

41. on going neptism to the tune of hundrds of thousands of dollars

tax returns would make think very clear.

[shanny]

10. WTF does Vermont context have to do with attacks on Joy Reid?

[George II]

13. Isn't the Vermont Woodworking School the one associated with Burlington College...

...before Burlington College failed?

[VermontKevin]

15. Yep....links above. Attack MSNBC...the one network

calling for Sanders to release taxes.

[grantcart]

20. yes

https://vtdigger.org/2017/06/13/one-family-two-schools-questions-swirl-around-another-sanders-deal/

[sheshe2]

42. Most interesting.

Thank you, Kevin~

[NurseJackie]

45. I support your decision to vote for the Democratic candidate!

Was there a particular reason that she didn't want to run as a Democrat?

Also... who is the Republican candidate? Are they viable or likely to get enough votes?

[VermontKevin]

46. There is a sale of a Burlington utility. Driscoll is one of a group of buyers.

I think the decision to run as an Independent came from that.

[R B Garr]

49. Interesting. If shes running against an incumbent Democrat,

then she needs to be questioned and these ties along with the 500k need to be exposed. Hopefully the purity standards will work both ways going forward.

Interesting tidbits from Vermont! Thank you.

[VermontKevin]

50. Running against Dem. mayor who didn't support her bid for the utility.

[SunSeeker]

61. Interesting.

[yardwork]

57. Bernie and Jane Sanders need to release their tax returns.

The longer they wait, the more suspicious this all looks.

[kcr]

58. Doesn't everyone buy their kid a college and run it into the ground?

They're just normal, folksy progressives who understand real, working Americans.

[SunSeeker]

60. I always vote for the Democratic candidate.