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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Democrats win back the House, they must impeach Donald J Trump.
It doesn't matter how they might think the Senate will vote.
They would have an obligation to get rid of this tyrant at their very earliest convenience.
If the Senate refused to convict, then that would be on them.
Impeachment is the only patriotic and responsible action that Democrats can take if they win back the House.
There is no time to dicker or argue.
They must do it.
onenote
(42,796 posts)It's silly to think otherwise.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)I would think that would be his personal goal?
In the end, the judgment will have to be political. Trump is not going to be criminally convicted. It is up to the House and Senate to serve the punishment.
onenote
(42,796 posts)DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)I thought Al Green was starting impeachment proceedings pretty soon or at least take a vote to see if they should. I would wait to see if we get the house back first.
brooklynite
(94,808 posts)His resolution has no special precedence. It'll be referred to the Judiciary Committee where no action will be taken.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)i Know he drew up articles of impeachment but just the other day he said something about taking a vote on it. He said this on Roland Martins show.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,245 posts)The House can only bring the charges and the Senate holds the trial and either convicts or acquits.
If you have less than 67 democrats in the Senate (2/3 majority), it would almost be a waste of time to impeach Trump to begin with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#Process
kentuck
(111,110 posts)It doesn't matter how many votes they get in the Senate.
They have a duty to impeach. The Senate will do whatever it might do. But the Democrats should act on behalf of the American people and the Constitution of the United States and our democracy.
brooklynite
(94,808 posts)Scruffy1
(3,257 posts)It was all kunki theater. if it would have gotten closr some votes would have switched. They just wanted to make a lot of noise for electoral purposes.
onenote
(42,796 posts)The public perception will be that he "won" and the Democrats lost.
unblock
(52,399 posts)Itll distract them from their agenda and help us in the election.
Moreover, by not impeaching, it normalizes this that should not be normalized.
no_hypocrisy
(46,245 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)still_one
(92,479 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)We'd need 67 votes to convict.
still_one
(92,479 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Btw, what have you got against grouches? Some of my best friends are grouches, particularly now.
(darn that auto-correct!)
still_one
(92,479 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)What will Nancy Pelosi say?
brooklynite
(94,808 posts)Because a failure to convict, regardless of who's responsible, would be seen as an acquittal.
pnwmom
(109,018 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,600 posts)On CNN's 'State of the Union' on Sunday, Rep. Nancy Pelosi said that impeaching President Trump "is not someplace that I think we should go." She added that many on the left were upset at her for not impeaching President Bush in the wake of the Iraq War. "What could be worse than that?" she asked.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/05/pelosi_on_trump_impeachment_we_didnt_impeach_bush_for_iraq_war_what_could_be_worse_than_that.html
onecaliberal
(32,940 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I don't care what political calculations are in play, this is a very clear question about whether the president is or isn't above the law. If he is, then America gives up any pretense of being a democracy.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)We must defeat him at the ballot box.
vi5
(13,305 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 4, 2017, 10:33 AM - Edit history (1)
..that if we take back the House and Senate that this puts enough of a check and balance in place that we should keep Trump in place and let the Republicans own him.
I agree that without the House and the Senate in our hands that getting him out is priority number one because nobody in charge is willing to hold him accountable or keep him in place.
But once we have some semblance of a hold on him we're better off with him in there come 2020 than Mr. Reasonable (ha!) Mike Pence.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)...does not the Congress have a responsibility to impeach under their Constitutional requirements?
vi5
(13,305 posts)All the rules and responsibilities are out the window, thanks to Republicans.
So yeah, if Dems abdicated that one particular specific responsibility in the interest of long term political goals, that wouldn't even be in the same stratosphere of what Republicans have done with their power.
Our elected Democratic politicians have to realize that taking the high road has gotten us nowhere and nothing. Every "right thing" they did when we had power was summarily dismantled with the swipe of a pen. We need to stop worrying about being the "better" men/women in terms of DC beltway insiderism and more about being the "better" men/women in terms of creating a lasting, stronger, and better country for everyone. If that means hanging Trump around the necks of Republicans like a fetid, rotting, stinking dead albatross for a year or so, and not letting them get away with dropping him down the memory hole as soon as President Pence is sworn in then I'm more than o.k. with that.
Lulu KC
(2,575 posts)that a worse fate awaits him than impeachment.