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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:37 PM Dec 2017

Is it conceivable that Jared Kushner is guilty of more than Trump is?

Trump strikes me as too stupid to be the mastermind of anything. Kushner strikes me as conniving and deceitful. I just wonder who is going to be in the most trouble when it all comes to light.

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Is it conceivable that Jared Kushner is guilty of more than Trump is? (Original Post) milestogo Dec 2017 OP
I have a feeling with Flynn having spilled the beans, we'll find out much shraby Dec 2017 #1
NO. Iliyah Dec 2017 #2
+1 n/t. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #9
No way would Kushner be plotting with the Russians without Trump's approval. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #3
Absolutely Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #4
No n/t malaise Dec 2017 #5
No it's luke trump said "i call the shots" , im the only one that matters etc. Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #6
Kushner appears to be the more active conniver, but no dalton99a Dec 2017 #7
Daddy has decades of experience on 2naSalit Dec 2017 #8
Yeah, but Jared's daddy did time in the Federal pen, whathehell Dec 2017 #12
No. He took his orders from Trump. Kingofalldems Dec 2017 #10
I suspect also genxlib Dec 2017 #11
Ivanka would report anything her husband did to... JHB Dec 2017 #13
The buck stops at the top frazzled Dec 2017 #14
I dont know DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #15
As others have already said, "No!" Behind the Aegis Dec 2017 #16
Nope. He called the shots. This is ridiculous, expect to hear it on Fox. Nope. bettyellen Dec 2017 #17
NO NO NO. they are both too stupid to be mastermind of anything JI7 Dec 2017 #18
JarJar K. gots degenerate "republican family values" up the wazoo Achilleaze Dec 2017 #19
Yes loyalsister Dec 2017 #20
No. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #21

Fullduplexxx

(7,873 posts)
6. No it's luke trump said "i call the shots" , im the only one that matters etc.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:42 PM
Dec 2017

He may not have cone yp with the plan to conspire with russia but he most definitely okayed it

dalton99a

(81,656 posts)
7. Kushner appears to be the more active conniver, but no
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:43 PM
Dec 2017

One reason is Trump's connections run longer and deep

whathehell

(29,100 posts)
12. Yeah, but Jared's daddy did time in the Federal pen,
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:56 PM
Dec 2017

I believe, do he's no stranger to, um, the "ouutlaw way".

genxlib

(5,546 posts)
11. I suspect also
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:52 PM
Dec 2017

That the ABC story is true but they just did not have the story locked up tight enough to pass editorial standards.

After all is said and done, Donnie is too big a control freak to allow that stuff toe be decided without him.

The question is whether there is a trail of evidence that proves it. I would not put it past them to conduct all such business off the written record.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
13. Ivanka would report anything her husband did to...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:02 PM
Dec 2017

...the oversized toddler who lists after her.j

She knows where her bread is buttered.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
14. The buck stops at the top
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:27 PM
Dec 2017

Even under the unlikely assumption that Trump "did not know," he is responsible for knowing the actions of his top staff and advisors, so the buck still stops with him.

(This is not a legal claim, only an ethical and moral one.)

DangerousUrNot

(431 posts)
15. I dont know
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:07 PM
Dec 2017

I think Kushner is a major player but I’m not sure if he’ll be in more trouble than Trump when it’s all said and done.

Behind the Aegis

(54,032 posts)
16. As others have already said, "No!"
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:28 PM
Dec 2017

However, it is fodder for anti-Semites as evidenced in this article:

FLYNN’S COOPERATION IN RUSSIA INVESTIGATION FALSELY BLAMED ON JEWS AND THE MEDIA BY FAR-RIGHT CONSPIRACISTS

BY MICHAEL EDISON HAYDEN ON 12/1/17 AT 4:18 PM

Retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn has reportedly offered his cooperation in the special counsel’s Russia investigation. If ABC News is to be believed, President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser is specifically prepared to testify that the president directed him to reach out to the Russians, “initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria.”

Well, this news is unsettling for some of Trump’s fans on the far-right end of the political spectrum. Some of them are currently storming through the Internet, looking for a scapegoat—any scapegoat at all, really—upon whom they can heap blame for this particular turn of events. Jewish people, who are among the primary targets of alt-right abuse on social media, have taken quite a bit of the heat so far, and Democrats, the media and Barack Obama have also been targeted with wrath.

One of these abusers is Jared Wyand, a Trump mega-fan who accumulated a huge following on Twitter during the election—only to be banned for calling Star Wars: Rogue One part of a Jewish conspiracy in December of last year (yes, really)—who posts into the void on Gab, a social media website that hosts large numbers of neo-fascist, Nazi, and white supremacist users. He let his followers know that he thought the Jews were not only responsible for this Star Wars-related plot, but also for the bad news about Flynn.

“Not that any of this is anywhere near criminal but here is Zionism at the center again,” Wyand mused on the alt-right’s favorite social media site. “I wonder (((who))) was pestering Trump admin for this information.” (Far-right social media users put triple parenthesis around words—“who,” in this case—to connote Jewishness.)

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/flynn-cooperation-russia-investigation-falsely-blamed-jews-far-right-729011
DonViejo

Undoubtedly, it will also be used by all stripes of anti-Semites, which why are seeing comments about him being a "Jew traitor", "taking his family to Israel since he is more loyal to Israel", and of course, the ever-present, coded "Zionist". In the next few weeks we will see more and more anti-Semitism...from both directions!

(To be clear to you and the jury, I am neither calling nor implying you are an anti-Semite!)

JI7

(89,281 posts)
18. NO NO NO. they are both too stupid to be mastermind of anything
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:40 AM
Dec 2017

Kushner has full permission from Trump to do the things he does.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
20. Yes
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 11:03 AM
Dec 2017

It would make sense to create a situation where the actual misdeeds are traced to a scapegoat who would protect Trump.

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