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Who was at Maralago on Dec 29, 2016? (Original Post) NightWatcher Dec 2017 OP
My goodness! gratuitous Dec 2017 #1
When and how did Mueller know Flynn was lying? From Flynn or someone else? nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #2
They tapped his phone marylandblue Dec 2017 #5
The FBI was tapping his phone during the campaign and transition? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #8
The FBI was investigating the Trump campaign since at least July 2016 marylandblue Dec 2017 #9
So Comey knows all of this but chooses to humiliate Hillary right before the election Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #10
I think they did tap Manafort and Jared but not Trump himself marylandblue Dec 2017 #11
Thanks Maryland.... how do you think this will unfold? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #12
I think Mueller will indict Trump marylandblue Dec 2017 #14
Very interesting. I have been assuming he will be forced to resign. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #16
Trump was there apparently. Kentonio Dec 2017 #3
PTT Official! Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2017 #4
Pence ? OnDoutside Dec 2017 #7
Don Jr or Jared?? nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #13
Miller and Pence. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author loyalsister Dec 2017 #15
CNN says it was Kushner! MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #17

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. My goodness!
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:23 PM
Dec 2017

And Donald J. Trump, as one of his first acts as President of the United States, appointed Michael Flynn to be his National Security Adviser? I wonder what kind of research Trump did into Flynn's history before naming him to such a sensitive and important security post?

Mr. President? Donald? You there, buddy? Care to answer a couple of questions about this? The American people deserve to know, don't they?

Irish_Dem

(47,538 posts)
8. The FBI was tapping his phone during the campaign and transition?
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:54 PM
Dec 2017

So they had probably cause that long ago?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
9. The FBI was investigating the Trump campaign since at least July 2016
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:06 PM
Dec 2017

I suspect it went like this: The NSA routinely intercepts phone calls from Russian officials. No warrant needed for that. Some of these calls were with Trump administration officials and they got enough evidence to refer the information to the FBI. At some point after that, the FBI started to tap Flynn's phone, and probably lots of other phones too.

Irish_Dem

(47,538 posts)
10. So Comey knows all of this but chooses to humiliate Hillary right before the election
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:28 PM
Dec 2017

with a nothing burger? Just making a side comment here.

Thank you Maryland, for reminding me of the timeline and what happened...
so much information is flying around, hard to keep track of all of it...

So the NSA routinely taps Russian officials, learned that Trump officials were
talking to the Russians. NSA contacts the FBI which starts tapping Flynn and most likely
who else? Manafort, Jared, Trump himself???

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. I think they did tap Manafort and Jared but not Trump himself
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:34 PM
Dec 2017

Tapping Trump himself might have been crossing a line. Also, at least based on information we have so far, they probably made Trump avoid any direct contact with Russians during the campaign. Still, they might have Trump on tape talking to his tapped subordinates.

Irish_Dem

(47,538 posts)
12. Thanks Maryland.... how do you think this will unfold?
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:41 PM
Dec 2017

If the FBI has Trump talking to subordinates about Russian contacts, what will Mueller do?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
14. I think Mueller will indict Trump
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:56 PM
Dec 2017

A lot of people on DU disagree with me, but we are in an unprecedented situation. When there is no precedent, facts make the law, not the other way around. In this case, I believe Mueller will present massive evidence of serious crimes by Trump. The courts will have to respond at last to an assertion that Nixon made, "If the President does it, it isn't illegal." That was considered lunacy back then. Now it's a real question.

For me, the answer goes back to first principles, the thing we all learned in elementary school - we don't have a King because the people are sovereign. Sovereigns, and only sovereigns, are immune from prosecution. So unless we are ready to submit to King Donald I, he can be prosecuted even without being impeached.

Irish_Dem

(47,538 posts)
16. Very interesting. I have been assuming he will be forced to resign.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 03:02 PM
Dec 2017

As a way to avoid more damage to the country and GOP.

But you and I could both be correct, first Mueller indicts Trump, then he is forced to resign. A deal is made with him to resign or face trial.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,897 posts)
4. PTT Official!
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:29 PM
Dec 2017

There is a reason this lists the individual Flynn talked to as "PTT OFFICIAL" and not by name. Flynn certainly knows who he talked to and that means Mueller knows as well. This is most certainly turning it up a notch (or two or three) Give the rack a turn!

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