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MORE: Michael Flynn "is prepared to testify...against Pres. Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House," @BrianRoss reports. http://abcn.ws/2AhU3Iq
JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." http://abcn.ws/2AhU3Iq
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C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)This happy weekend is starting now !!
i'm starting my vacation today and this is a great start. Would be the best XMAS gift ever if dotard was indicted
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,900 posts)since last November. I can always buy more for when Trump is indicted/impeached/is hauled out of the WH in a straight jacket.
cilla4progress
(24,783 posts)around last summer. Kicking myself now. Have a slurp for me!!!!!!!!!
dalton99a
(81,637 posts)- Flynns attorney Robert Kelner, March 2017
FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)liberalla
(9,266 posts)except wish it was a better picture of Mueller!
FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)liberalla
(9,266 posts)Doitnow
(1,103 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)what does he gain from hedging or masking or playing coy with any info? Let me answer my own question. Flynn has absolutely no reason to hedge on anything. Open those damn flood gates Mr. Flynn. And let Trump vent by throwing another coffee pot or by having a stroke.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)That's Flynn's only hope for survival.
JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Oneironaut
(5,530 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)and their beloved President Turd is gone.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Maybe I'm missing something. I hope so.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)McCONnell knew to steal the Supreme Court seat by waiting til after the election.
Seems to have been dirty Russian money washed into the the GOP coffers, too.
Ryan's probably in on it. Preibus was too connected to not know. Nunes is involved in the coverup.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,077 posts)... hence my statements that the GOP will have a real hard time finding someone to take the VP spot when Pence resigns. President Orrin Hatch.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)President can name anybody to VP.
Gerald Ford was not in the line of succession when he was named VP.
Line of succession is only for simultaneous resignations / simultaneous wipeouts.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,077 posts)... and taking the VP spot would be political suicide in my opinion. Hence the problems in finding any takers. Thanks for pointing out some details.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)It's illegal to collude in a clandestine way in halting or eliminating sanctions.
This is just off the top of my head; there's much more.
There's probably enough info to use the T word in some cases.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Plus what everybody else said in this thread.
democrank
(11,112 posts)Trump must be having a very bad day. SAD!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)orangecrush
(19,645 posts)finally an end to this nightmare?
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)It wasnt over immediately, but as soon as John Dean started cooperating, Nixons fall was just a matter of time
calimary
(81,527 posts)LOL - love your screen name!
I remember that. "there was a cancer growing on the presidency..." and "it was growing more deadly every day." So spake he. This looks like they're moving into stage 4. Because if this is true, it takes Mueller's investigation all the way up to the top of the food chain. Which sounds pretty doggone yummy to me!
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)For student body president.
YessirAtsaFact was his fake name.
It was more relevant in 1976.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)yonder
(9,682 posts)Electric Prunes:
Prunes or something else in causing some poopy pants about now.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)to not actually touch their instruments/drums and make any actual "noise". American Bandstand, I remember it like it was yesterday. The first time I ever saw The Byrds was on A.B. They blew me away. I wanted to shuffle off to San Francisco immediately, although I waited two years until I finished High School. I took a "gap year" before starting College. It was the best move I ever made.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Forbid if I missed it. Still was dancing 'Bandstand' style up until I got rickety. (CT born and raised.)
Me and hub got complimented by a Greek yia-yia at a church function. We got carried away with the fun and dint realize we were being taken in like that. MB when he 'dipped' me it really got to her! [Not too shabby for a Slovak and a Swede. 😆]
I studied strictly ballet for nine years, and Russian instructor expected me to go pro in NYC. 💃I declined.
"Those were the days, were they not?"
yonder
(9,682 posts)jingly-jangly, high and tight harmonies. I could go on and on.
orangecrush
(19,645 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)ffr
(22,674 posts)ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)triron
(22,026 posts)(no sarcasm).
AllyCat
(16,236 posts)really should be held until the NEXT POTUS can sign it.
bucolic_frolic
(43,364 posts)The GOP really does want to OWN this?
Money makes it ok?
They will never live this down. Never.
This is Let Them Eat Cake & Only Rich People Pay Taxes combined!
calimary
(81,527 posts)Champagne, anyone? Certainly with a little twist of schadenfreude, I'd guess.
Texin
(2,599 posts)I wouldn't be surprised. All I can say is, Flynn better stay in very close proximity to his house and not venture out into crowded cafes or busy streets, where certain Agents of a nameless foreign power can use the tip of an umbrella to poison him on the street. I'd be looking for a bunker somewhere underground and hiring a full time body guard and food taster if I were he.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 1, 2017, 03:48 PM - Edit history (1)
In fact, I would expect this to happen later today since it's a Friday. The only rub: I doubt Shitgibbon wants to take the focus off his imminent "win" on tax "reform."
Zoonart
(11,887 posts)So much winning.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)If Flynn gave a proffer under oath, it just can't disappear.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Stay tuned folks......
RiverStone
(7,228 posts)I want to see accountability for working with Russia to cheat on the election.
In turn, a public recognition the 2016 results are invalid and subsequent actions to remove the tRump regime from power.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Theres no crime known as collusion except in narrowly-defined anti-trust cases.
Calling this collusion has always been a mistake. What Mueller is looking for are crimes such as obstruction and providing false statements.
Theres no process to nullify the election.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)We're not at war with Russia, but they are not an ally. They are an adversary.
Would have been treason in the Cold War. Could be treason in the A Little Bit Cold War II we are now in.
Reports in previous days said Mueller threatened Flynn and Flynn Jr with capital crimes (can only mean treason) as pressure for a plea bargain.
RiverStone
(7,228 posts)Please see my post below on-- restitution -- to the American people. I'm seeking an answer to that question and would appreciate your read.
triron
(22,026 posts)Why the put down of RiverStone's post? It was treason!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)RiverStone
(7,228 posts)Appreciate the legal clarity. I know there is no provision in the constitution to nullify an election, however we have also never seen this kind of sweeping corruption from a US President. Even Richard Nixon kept his criminal activity limited to US players.
My question is what is the (((restitution))) to American citizens? Let's say tRump and Pence are impeached, Flynn, Jared, etc. are locked up. We still have SCOTUS appointment that never should have happened, Obama Executive Orders that never should have been reversed, environmental regulations that never should have been relaxed.
Minus throwing all the bums in jail, who pays We The People back for selling us a false bill of goods (election results)?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Demand that Hillary chooses the next Supreme Court Justice and that Democratic politicians have big say in the Pence lame duck Administration.
Lame duck until Pence is indicted, as I think he will be.
triron
(22,026 posts)I believe he said it is their right as well.
"Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better." Question is what constitutes "rise up and shake off".
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, speech in the United States House of Representatives, January 12, 1848
Progressive dog
(6,921 posts)to the dispute (war) between Mexico and the USA over the Texas border.
VMA131Marine
(4,158 posts)moda253
(615 posts)If he helped or asked for an information or psyops campaign against us you bet yer ass that's treason!
Not all wars and warfare involve bullets and it's time people wake up to that fact.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)
There have been Americans sent to prison for the crime of lying about their cooperation with a foreign power, at war or not. The big Question then is: Why lie?
"Collusion is an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage."
This could be applied to governmental policies, elections, foreign relationships around the world (American business dealings with Russia or policies in general with Israel). Flynn must have thought so when he lied.
MSNBC is saying there's an underlying story and that is "collusion" with Russia in the presidential election and removing sanctions.
There's an excellent, MUST-READ thread on this here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029909294
Implications is that there's not only lying and a violation of the Logan Act, but big Obstruction of Justice charges.
Note that many in the press are ignoring the fact that Flynn was "colluding"/ "engaging in conspiracy" with Russia to circumvent sanctions laws while Obama was president. It was a crime then. He was not representing that part of the U.S. gov't then, therefore, this was done in more than just murky waters.
questionseverything
(9,663 posts)triron
(22,026 posts)cilla4progress
(24,783 posts)won't confirm.
jayschool2013
(2,313 posts)Great start, but let's get more. Come on, Mueller!!
Lock 'em ALL up.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)that will devastate Americans.
Almost all of us.
And he and they will get away with it.
I think we need to make some major fucking changes
triron
(22,026 posts)beaglelover
(3,496 posts)there won't be a bill signing tonight but there will be one before xmas. Sucks.
angrychair
(8,738 posts)And he got the deal he got to only plead guilty to lying than HE HAS ALREADY TESTIFIED AGAINST TRUMP TO THE GRAND JURY
MFM008
(19,823 posts)He's delivering.
Checking his list...
alterfurz
(2,475 posts)aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)The Trump kids, Jared, and others close to Trump will give it up next!
Lock Trump up!
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)public hangings in LaFayette Park, across from the White House. No mercy, no quarter. Let the punishment fit the crime. How many people have died because of this traitorous bastard and his cohorts? They, and the people of our country, deserve retribution.
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)I get the feeling there will great need of a 'Caps Lock' button in the future.
AllyCat
(16,236 posts)null and void.
Gorsuch, the coming tax scam, his horrible and illegal executive orders, banning transgendered military personnel...all of it.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)(except Gorsuch, we're screwed with Gorsuch) is for the Republicans to lose big time in 2018. Otherwise there is no process to nullify anything.
AllyCat
(16,236 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,642 posts)If the fucking moron told Flynn to get Russia involved then that is treason.
H2O Man
(73,637 posts)It's already started.
Recommended.
miyazaki
(2,254 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)R B Garr
(16,995 posts)Justice
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)As Trump himself said, even if Flynn hadn't discussed sanctions w/Russia, Trump would have directed him to do that, because that was his job.
There is nothing illegal about Trump directing Flynn to "work with Russia."
The devil is in the details. Work with Russia to what end? For what result? To do what? In what way?
Sounds to me like Flynn is soft balling it so far. I don't see anything here to get excited about. Nothing leading to Trump doing anything illegal, except the obstruction charges, which don't involve Flynn.
Flynn says he was instructed to get with Russia to tamp down their response to the U.S. sanctions against Russia being announced, because the admin. wants a good relationship with Russia. That's not illegal...and doesn't sound like the truth, either. I recall reading at the time that the conversation was more like, "Hold on for now and wait...we're going to kill those sanctions."
moda253
(615 posts)If it was before inauguration, and especially before winning the election, talking to them about any sort of deals or policy could be illegal.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It depends on WHAT he was supposed to "work on," and we haven't heard that yet, as far as I know.
I can only think and hope that Mueller wouldn't let Flynn basically walk unless there's something big there.
But it's possible that Flynn is going to be the scapegoat. The one thrown to the crowds. And there won't be enough evidence to get anyone else.
highmindedhavi
(355 posts)even if, what will the repugs do?
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)verbal diarrhea.
world wide wally
(21,757 posts)FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)...but unfortunately it's not gonna happen that way.
The next President (whoever he or she may be) will have the daunting task of undoing all the damage that's been done in the last year. We can't undo Gorsuch, but the other stuff can and should be changed and improved. FOR SURE we need to revamp the Constitution, especially the 25th Amendment, so that other provisions are spelled out. We can't allow a situation like this to ever happen again.
I remember Watergate and all the stuff that happened and how it seemed to take forever. Really it was less than 2 years but it seemed like eternity. This (getting Trump out of office) is going to happen much more quickly I think.
Mueller is our hero!
groundloop
(11,527 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)...had no concept of anyone like Trump ever being ALLOWED to run for office, and then WINNING!
Yes I agree that things need to be changed, and I mentioned it in my earlier post. I was referring to revising the 25th Amendment and also the Electoral College which will mean another Amendment. They usually take a lot of time because they must be ratified by 38 states out of 50. That's after both houses of Congress vote on them.
Also on our To-Do list: (1) Paper Ballots for every election. (2) End gerrymandering and redraw all congressional districts after the 2020 census. (3) Make it impossible (or illegal) for highest elected officals to use Twitter for official communication.
I'll think of more, just give me a minute.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Constitution 1.0 was pretty elitist.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)And I like the 'twitter' thing!
Nitram
(22,913 posts)Takket
(21,644 posts)Hekate
(90,865 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)So Flynn has no reason to be loyal to Trump. This is looking BAD for Mango Jeebus.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Lock HIM up!
That would leave us with our creepy, in another way, VP in office....Pence being a religious delusional who dismisses science. But while he is misguided about a lot, he will be quieter about it.
Please, please people show up to vote in 2018, lets take this country back before it is too late to do so.
liberalla
(9,266 posts)Really improves my outlook!
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)C Moon
(12,222 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)JDC
(10,135 posts)Kablooie
(18,641 posts)That in itself is not a criminal act.
We'll see what more there is to it as things develop.
lark
(23,166 posts)Or conspiracy to cooperate with a foreign country to effect America's election? whichever way they describe it, drumpf looks to be in for a very bad time, hopefully as much as he has earned with his traitorous, criminal, fraudulent, racist, misogynistic actions and lies.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)triron
(22,026 posts)paleotn
(17,989 posts)triron
(22,026 posts)onetexan
(13,071 posts)Remember how Flynn led the chants against Hillary?
How sweet the irony now that he will be the one to be locked up.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Yes, it is sweet, sweet irony
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It would be tantamount to Fitzgerald having got Condoleeza Rice to plead guilty to a felony.
doc03
(35,389 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)So not election interference, at least the way I read it. Doesnt mean he didnt violate the Logan Act though
jimlup
(7,968 posts)and the whole fucking orange house comes tumbling down!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)shortly before he takes office, will not sink Trump. This was after the election, unless I'm missing something. There has to be something else to get Trump.
bucolic_frolic
(43,364 posts)he needed an inside job!
red dog 1
(27,875 posts)If true, this is great news!
Stuart G
(38,453 posts)garybeck
(9,942 posts)it has to be about the election
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MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Why'd they all lie? Oh, cuz they PROMISED SANCTIONS WOULD BE LIFTED!! Not legal, not normal, and we've bagged 2 Trumpsters already. Rule of law. Read it.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I'm not sure what the deleted poster said, but I can guess. I had the same thoughts. These are almost completely innocuous statements? These statements don't prove collusion in any meaningful form?
But you ask the important question: If these statements are essentially meaningless, then why did he lie about them? Why did Flynn lie -- over and over again - about whether or not he made those statements?
The only logical answer is: There's more to it. Those statements were so innocuous that virtually any halfway decent defense attorney could have gotten at least a hung jury on whether they "counted" as lies to the Feds.
("Innocuous" is Seth Abramason's word, by the way, and not mine)
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)I can talk rationally. Couldn't resist childish taunting.
Why lie? Is definitely the intruiging question.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)speaking to foreign leaders, but actively undermining the policies of President Obama. i agree it doesn't show collusion. Personally think Trump's downfall will be obstruction of justice.
FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)Mueller knows how to go about this, I have complete trust in that guy.
I'm pretty sure he has a copy of the audiotape that was personally handed to Putin, with Cheeto promising Putin that he would abolish the sanctions if he gets elected. (It was mentioned in the Steel dossier.) quid pro quo.
Also Manafort & Trump made sure that the Republican Party platform had the resolution to help the Ukraine REMOVED from the final draft, before it was published. That was another quid pro quo.
It's going to be very hard to prove that Russians hacked our voting machines, but there are certainly a lot of highly unlikely coincidences in several key swing states. And guess what - those states all suddenly went for Trump at the last minute. Will we ever prove the Russians did it? I don't know know but I sure hope so. Our elections must all be held on paper ballots from now on until we can be sure the Russians have no way to hack the voting machines.
Mueller already has enough to prove conspiracy on Trump and these guys. Obstruction of Justice - yeah he probably has that too. Trump committed perjury when he took the oath of office and swore on the Bible to uphold the Constitution. We're all witnesses.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Big difference. Back in the day DUers would recognize it
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)"Correction: During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign. That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots. It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-flynn-charged-making-false-statements-fbi-documents/story?id=50849354
I was not going to post but I think the thread should be corrected since you asked......
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,927 posts)That changes things. Candidate trump ordering Flynn to talk to a foreign power is very much different then President-Elect Trump ordering Flynn to talk to a foreign power.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Welcome to DU
GusBob
(7,286 posts)The FBI stories all mention the date 12/29/16, transition time
While this is an important distinction at this point, it becomes apparent that they have only charged Flynn with one thing and offered the deal on a slew of other charges so it could go either way.
So right now they have the rat in the trap during transition time. It could very well be that more info will come out which will bring the candidate Trump into the trap
To me, collusion during the campaign is what I want investigated most. Hopefully Flynn has the goods on that
quad489
(14 posts)applegrove
(118,844 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #142)
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