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As Kushners Russia troubles mountlast Friday the Senate disclosed that he had not turned over e-mails about WikiLeaks, a claim his attorney, Abbe Lowell, deniedinsiders are again speculating, as my colleague Emily Jane Fox reported last month, about how long Kushner and Ivanka Trump will remain in Washington. Despite Kushners efforts to project confidence about Robert Muellers probe, he expressed worry after the indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates about how far the investigation could go. Do you think theyll get the president? Kushner asked a friend, according to a person briefed on the conversation.
According to two Republicans who have spoken with Trump, the president has also been frustrated with Kushners political advice, including his encouragement to back losing Alabama G.O.P. candidate Luther Strange and to fire F.B.I. Director James Comey, which Kushner denies. (For what its worth, Kushners choice of Strange prevented Trump from the embarrassment of inadvertently supporting Roy Moore.) Trump, according to three people whove spoken to him, has advocated for Jared and Ivanka to return to New York in part because they are being damaged by negative press. He keeps pressuring them to go, one source close to Kushner told me. But as bad as the Russia investigation may be, its not clear a New York homecoming would be much better for Kushner, given that his familys debt-ridden office tower at 666 Fifth Avenue could be headed for bankruptcy.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/jared-kushner-horizons-are-collapsing-within-the-west-wing
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)I want a peaceful transition of power when he and his entire group are arrested for treason, conspiracy, etc. But that cant happen if he can thumb his nose at real patriots with his stolen power of pardon.
He is not legitimate.
At all.
kairos12
(12,858 posts)supports him 5-4, we now have a confirmed tyrant.
Qutzupalotl
(14,306 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 22, 2017, 01:52 AM - Edit history (1)
to serve up indictments for both federal and non-pardonable state level offenses.
rurallib
(62,411 posts)An I am almost sure he will, probably claiming federal law usurps state law blah, blah, blah.
getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)federal prosecution takes jurisdiction over state, so the trump doj can just claim supremecy and petition a federal judge to make it the feds responsibility to prosecute.
then they can bury it after a pardon.
Or, they can use the power of right wing media to flip the ny gov to the R side, and the gov can pardon them.
The path is not certain in state court, even for the kids, by any means.
Nothing is certain, and unfortunately trump has power beyond limits of anyone except congress, and they won't act. ever. fuhgetaboutit.
Qutzupalotl
(14,306 posts)The targets are facing both federal and state charges at once. State charges cannot be pardoned by the president. A new New York governor wouldnt get in office until 2019, and Virginia just elected a Democrat. Trump is toast.
getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)You can't be charged twice for the same crime. So if the charge is conspiracy to defraud, it can either be tried in state or federal court, but not both.
In almost all cases, courts will give preference to the feds and give them jurisdiction. That prevents the state from prosecuting the case. In the normal universe, it's used when the feds don't believe the state will fairly prosecute, as in the case of a white sherrif killing a black person in the south. The concern is that no matter how compelling the evidence, the prosecutor wouldn't mount an effective case due to sympathy for the defendent.
So all trump needs to do is get the doj to request jurisdiction. US attorneys in southern ny are in his pocket. easy peasy. then pardons will work. The trick is to find a ny statute which has no federal analogue. It has to be specific enough to not also be a fed crime. Not easy to do.
Oh, and ny has a long history of electing r gov's. What would happen if someone accuses the dem of raping them as a child 40 years ago? Don't think that can happen? It will. Over and over.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)This is what happens when a gaggle of silverspoon twits get put in a position to prove they were born to fail except for daddy's bank account!
DavidDvorkin
(19,475 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)gordianot
(15,237 posts)Donald will have to pardon the kids some day now that he has practiced on turkeys.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)to go through the trash bins of Trump Tower
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,679 posts)And you're all going the way of the Madoffs. Have a nice day.
PJMcK
(22,035 posts)Marrying into the TrumpCrimeFamily was par for the course.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)If the maggot's done nothing wrong then how could they "get the president?
yonder
(9,664 posts)not meaning to be redundant here but how could he be "gotten" if Jared knows the Tanzaniac to be innocent? Interesting choice of words on Jared's part. Nice catch chay-zed!
ananda
(28,858 posts)45 is not my president.
jrthin
(4,835 posts)over, and in the WH.
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)Luther strange? We're in a marvel comics simulation right?
dhol82
(9,353 posts)All we need are Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman flying in to save us.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)Jared and Donald will get some first pickings of the shares. I suspect they'll flip them and make enough to pay down their russian oligarch investors.
Skittles
(153,156 posts)getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)but a criminal always
Skittles
(153,156 posts)ugh
getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)he has a large income, paid by us in no small part, power, and influence.
He hasn't lost anything yet. Not like we have.
His time will hopefully arrive.
Puzzler
(2,505 posts)Correct me if Im wrong, but Im thinking that IF any pardoning were done (or could be done), would that mean that there could be NO pleading the 5th, if ordered to testify about anything?
If so, a quagmire awaits them. And they could be prosecuted for OTHER reasons. Unless, theres an endless stream of pardoning...
-Puzzler
getagrip_already
(14,742 posts)when you accept a pardon. you can still remain silent. You can always claim you might end up in jeopardy by saying something false, so you can just shut up completely. As long as perjury is in play, you can't talk.
7962
(11,841 posts)Plus, hes a shitty businessman.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Doodley
(9,088 posts)blitzen
(4,572 posts)Blue Owl
(50,355 posts)Boogie man's coming... For YOU!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)alone.