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drray23

(7,637 posts)
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:44 PM Nov 2017

why are they ruining the night by having donna brazile on msnbc ?

She is bragging at how she was down there in virginia to fundraise and motivate the troops. You would think they could have invited somebody else to ask them about the future direction of the party

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why are they ruining the night by having donna brazile on msnbc ? (Original Post) drray23 Nov 2017 OP
3 words for you to remember... BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #1
Yep! Quicker than lightning! MSNBC's loss is Anderson skylucy Nov 2017 #12
I instantly changed the channel! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2017 #2
of course the idiot would claim credit for the Democratic win. Sounds a lot like still_one Nov 2017 #3
Bye bye Donna! Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #4
Her last 15 minutes of fame. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #32
It seems that way. Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #37
so people can understand somethings, elleng Nov 2017 #5
what, that just like trump she claims credit from something she had no part in still_one Nov 2017 #7
Good, don't learn anything, elleng Nov 2017 #14
Experience on how to lose elections. Just ask Al Gore. No thank-you. Anyone who says that the still_one Nov 2017 #20
I felt that way about her too, still_one, after Gore, elleng Nov 2017 #22
First of all I don't watch the national news outlets, so I didn't see her tonight, but I did read still_one Nov 2017 #33
I've learned some things too. emulatorloo Nov 2017 #35
Not sure I would put much stock in "the way things work" according to Donna Brazile. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #38
Much more succinct than my post emulatorloo Nov 2017 #39
She didn't take credit for anything... DonViejo Nov 2017 #18
With you, DonV, as often; elleng Nov 2017 #23
You mean the "cancer" that Tom Perez was part of? I am sorry, she floats wherever the wind seems to still_one Nov 2017 #25
Have you read the book? DonViejo Nov 2017 #30
No. I read the excerpts from Politico, and statements she and others subsequently made still_one Nov 2017 #36
I saw her face on MSNBC, and I was outta there. MoonRiver Nov 2017 #6
Maybe they booked her to explain that the troubling losses in VA lapucelle Nov 2017 #8
a fair guess. drray23 Nov 2017 #19
LOL, true, it's going to be satisfying to see them squirm over this! R B Garr Nov 2017 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #9
Im still watching Eko Nov 2017 #10
This was the party she said had a "cancer". No thanks still_one Nov 2017 #26
True. Eko Nov 2017 #34
There is a difference. Most of us here are ordinary people expressing views on issues of the day, still_one Nov 2017 #40
Well said emulatorloo Nov 2017 #44
so if you listen to her everything is fine again drray23 Nov 2017 #11
I am too happy & I wish her well! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #13
I clicked away Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #15
I could not watch had to change the channel standingtall Nov 2017 #16
I wouldn't have watched her either. Beacool Nov 2017 #17
She actually did a great job and was very supportive of Democrats. Tatiana Nov 2017 #21
Too little too late...she is a liar and accused Dems have rigging the election...she is dead to Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #24
In fairness, she indicated that she never said the Dems rigged the election, but said the Democrats still_one Nov 2017 #42
She was backtracking quite a bit and he let her. R B Garr Nov 2017 #27
And I'm glad he did. Tatiana Nov 2017 #28
Yes, great points. This was such a huge boost tonight for all those efforts. nt R B Garr Nov 2017 #29
and she'll be on fawker Carlson tomorrow night. a kennedy Nov 2017 #31
And now Forrest Rump Dem2 Nov 2017 #41
She did a FANTASTIC job of explaining and supporting Democratic positions tonight Nevernose Nov 2017 #45
but, but, but, it would be sooooo boring if we knew what she was going to do next still_one Nov 2017 #46

still_one

(92,395 posts)
3. of course the idiot would claim credit for the Democratic win. Sounds a lot like
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:46 PM
Nov 2017

trump claiming success for something he didn't have anything to do with


 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
37. It seems that way.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:39 PM
Nov 2017

Her Third way ideals rubbed many a Dem raw.

Now we move to the next level of getting it done. As you most likely are aware,the Media took it in the shorts tonight. Best thing that ever happened for our Country.

ABC nightly news did not even mention the Elections. To busy kissing Trumps ass.

elleng

(131,107 posts)
14. Good, don't learn anything,
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:52 PM
Nov 2017

ignore facts and people's experience, THAT's the way to grow the Democratic electorate.

still_one

(92,395 posts)
20. Experience on how to lose elections. Just ask Al Gore. No thank-you. Anyone who says that the
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:02 PM
Nov 2017

Democratic party is a cancer, and pushes her distortions and lies to cover up her incompetence, as far as I am concerned she is persona non-grata, and the only thing her presence will do is flame bait, not bring the Democrat together.

Sorry Donna Brazille, but you don't get to claim ANY credit for the Democratic victories tonight, and no doubt in my mind that if the Democrats would have lost tonight, Brazille would have been right out there claiming it was because of the "cancer" in the Democratic party

An opportunistic incompetent

elleng

(131,107 posts)
22. I felt that way about her too, still_one, after Gore,
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:05 PM
Nov 2017

and only paid some attention to some interviews since the book thing. Now I find I'm learning some things about the way things work.

still_one

(92,395 posts)
33. First of all I don't watch the national news outlets, so I didn't see her tonight, but I did read
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:28 PM
Nov 2017

Politico excerpts, and based on what Howard Dean and others have said, she jumped to some pretty wrong conclusions.

For me it wasn't as much that as it was her inflammatory descriptions she used, which contained a lot of flawed assessments, and releasing this right before an extremely important election, where if anything Democrats need a moral booster, make me seriously question her judgement.



emulatorloo

(44,182 posts)
35. I've learned some things too.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:33 PM
Nov 2017

Putin's false "Rigged primary" meme is dead thanks to the holes and half-truths in Donna's book.

That may not have been her intention but that's what happened.

Today she's backpedalling everywhere. I understand she did a fair amount of that tonight.

I have a lot of empathy for her, this was her chance to reinvent herself for future consulting work.

Hard for a consultant who backed a losing candidate. Last thing I wanna see Donna have to do is take the Tad Devine route: forced to work outside the US propping up Putin puppets with sleazebuckets like Manafort

Making herself more Sanders 2020 friendly or similar was a good idea. Unfortunately she blew it by overreaching and producing a book that cannot survive a fact check.



MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
38. Not sure I would put much stock in "the way things work" according to Donna Brazile.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:42 PM
Nov 2017

She has some serious screws loose and no amount of candles and gospel music will change her fiction to fact.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
18. She didn't take credit for anything...
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:58 PM
Nov 2017

She said she campaigned based on the strategy designed by Tom Perez, "win at the delegate level." I was going to put the TV on mute when she came on, I'm glad I didn't

still_one

(92,395 posts)
25. You mean the "cancer" that Tom Perez was part of? I am sorry, she floats wherever the wind seems to
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:15 PM
Nov 2017

be blowing.

After he book, she has absolutely no credibility with me, and frankly the only thing she offers the Democratic party is a catalyst of division, and I suspect she will not be welcome by most Democrats

She released excerpts of her book before an extremely critical election, which showed reckless disregard, as a good number of the talking heads were pushing the theme that her "explosive" book would hurt Democrats in today's election

still_one

(92,395 posts)
36. No. I read the excerpts from Politico, and statements she and others subsequently made
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:37 PM
Nov 2017

after her release of those inflammatory excerpts, and based on what Howard Dean and others have pointed out regarding the rules, those excerpts were flawed to put it generously. This was done right before an extremely important election, where Democrats if anything needed to be united, at the very least demonstrates very poor judgement on her part

As far as I am concerned, the way she manufactured this whole circus surrounding her book, she has no credibility from my perspective

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
6. I saw her face on MSNBC, and I was outta there.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:48 PM
Nov 2017

Looking forward to Rachel and Lawrence, UNLESS they have Brazile on.

lapucelle

(18,319 posts)
8. Maybe they booked her to explain that the troubling losses in VA
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:50 PM
Nov 2017

that didn't materialize are the fault of old school Democrats.

R B Garr

(16,976 posts)
43. LOL, true, it's going to be satisfying to see them squirm over this!
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:00 PM
Nov 2017

So much for the empty non-endorsements. Stronger together!





Response to drray23 (Original post)

Eko

(7,351 posts)
10. Im still watching
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:51 PM
Nov 2017

She is saying some good things, replied back about what Democrats are going to do to bring up wages then responds that we are for raising the minimum wage and keep proposing it. I think she said some things that are wrong but has a long history of helping the party. Not forgiving her for what she said but realizing that Dems have different opinions even ones that I don't agree with and maybe I shouldn't be the enemy of perfect with Trump and the GOP trying to destroy everything.

Eko

(7,351 posts)
34. True.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:29 PM
Nov 2017

Ive seen worse here, I mean you have people calling us Neo-libs pretty much every day, should I shun them?

still_one

(92,395 posts)
40. There is a difference. Most of us here are ordinary people expressing views on issues of the day,
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:54 PM
Nov 2017

which we don't always see eye to eye on. That is a good thing, because we have an opportunity to learn from each other. Disagreements are all part of it. Personal attacks, as I know you agree have no business in those conversations.

This is a forum, or a group of people having a conversation among each other.

Donna Brazille is a public figure who has written a book, using excerpts from that book, which make accusations against the Democratic party, that are false. Most people have made mis-statements at sometime or another, but usually acknowledge that. When Ms. Brazille indicates that she never said the DNC rigged the election, but instead said there is a cancer within the DNC, it is difficult for me to give much credibility to her account of things.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
11. so if you listen to her everything is fine again
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:51 PM
Nov 2017

she loves the party, proud of it, etc.. I have never seen such an hypocrit in my life before.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
16. I could not watch had to change the channel
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

Tried to check back and 12 minutes later she is still blabbing too long. They couldn't have picked worse time to have her on.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
17. I wouldn't have watched her either.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:57 PM
Nov 2017

In any case, I tuned to CNN to see the results of my state's elections (NJ).

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
21. She actually did a great job and was very supportive of Democrats.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:03 PM
Nov 2017

Chris did not try to get her to sling mud, thankfully.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
24. Too little too late...she is a liar and accused Dems have rigging the election...she is dead to
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:13 PM
Nov 2017

me.

still_one

(92,395 posts)
42. In fairness, she indicated that she never said the Dems rigged the election, but said the Democrats
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:00 PM
Nov 2017

have a cancer within them.

Ain't that peachy?

Reminds me of the story one person comes up to another person and says, "I defended you" "They said you weren't fit to sleep with the pigs, and I said you were"

Thanks but no thanks Donna. She is not giving constructive criticism, but making accusations which are not only misleading, but flat out wrong


R B Garr

(16,976 posts)
27. She was backtracking quite a bit and he let her.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:18 PM
Nov 2017

Her story sounds very suspect now, even after her backtracking. It's too scattered. You have to strain to reconcile what she is saying and it just doesn't work.

I also didn't agree with what she said about some voters not hearing Democrats' message. I would say they heard too much maligning of our candidate -- our candidate had a great message. NEVER AGAIN.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
28. And I'm glad he did.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:22 PM
Nov 2017

The last thing we need is continual trashing of our party during a time of such critical elections.

Well, I think Democrats need to do a better job of outreach in rural and suburban communities. OFA went into those areas. Without the OFA infrastructure, we're lost. We need to get back out there, starting with the down ballot races and ending in the governorships. That's one way we can start ensuring election integrity at the state-level.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
45. She did a FANTASTIC job of explaining and supporting Democratic positions tonight
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:02 PM
Nov 2017

It’s a damn shame we have no idea what she’ll say or do tomorrow, isn’t it?

Throw the Bernie activist wing under the bus like she’s been doing for years? Sell out the more mainstream Clinton wing? Call everyone a cancer?

Maybe just take a shit on the grave of Harry S Truman and hawk tickets as performance art?

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