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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:20 PM Oct 2017

Who the hell even signed the Whitefish-contract?

There must be somebody, a person, who signed this thing on behalf of Puerto Rico!

So who did it? And what gives this person the authority to sign away the rights of various US government departments to look into this contract?



And how big was the bribe?

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Who the hell even signed the Whitefish-contract? (Original Post) DetlefK Oct 2017 OP
John Barron - NT fleur-de-lisa Oct 2017 #1
Meredith McIver ! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #23
I believe the Puerto Rico electric company Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #2
Correct. B2G Oct 2017 #4
gov't contracts are usually signed by a contracting officer on behalf of the fed gov't.... Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #3
Correct. As long as they are responsive and responsible underpants Oct 2017 #5
No it's not bullshit. You need to read the FAR Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #7
Sorry that's what I meant underpants Oct 2017 #8
It's not a Federal Contract Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #9
It has to be Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #11
It's a contract with the utility company Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #13
Whose money is the utility company spending? Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #15
Most likely at this point power bills and future bonds Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #16
No. They money is coded ALWAYS by appropriation Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #17
Why do you think PREPA is bankrupt? dumbcat Oct 2017 #19
Appropriation is what the money is for Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #21
It happens but it's not the norm Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #20
There are actual federal contracts that do this Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #22
It's a KO Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #12
Contracting Officer with an unlimited warrant Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #6
PREPA- Puerto Rico Electric Power Agency Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #10
I'm thinking there were bribes and/or kickbacks n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #18
Stinky Zinke smells of Whitefish lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #14

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
3. gov't contracts are usually signed by a contracting officer on behalf of the fed gov't....
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:35 PM
Oct 2017

whether that is the case doesn't seem to be clear.....a CO in FEMA or a CO in the PR gov't?

underpants

(183,029 posts)
5. Correct. As long as they are responsive and responsible
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:10 PM
Oct 2017

In the normal bidding process.

Responsive means they get the sealed or unsealed bud in on time. Whether work papers are required is set by the contracting officer.

Responsible means they have a bond. If they fail to do the work the govt cashes the bond and use it to pay another contractor to do the job.

This no bid is bullshit. Rife for corruption.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
7. No it's not bullshit. You need to read the FAR
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:13 PM
Oct 2017

If they did it with open competition it would take 120 days to award the fucking thing.

Federal Contracting Laws are broken

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
13. It's a contract with the utility company
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:28 PM
Oct 2017

And the utility company is owned by the government of PR.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
16. Most likely at this point power bills and future bonds
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:06 PM
Oct 2017

I hadn't seen any indication that Federal funds have been specifically allocated for that yet.

It may happen as a "you incurred this debt rebuilding here is some federal money to clear that out", but that's to be seen. It would be unusual for Federal funds to go to rebuild an electric utility.

Typically federal funds don't rebuild utilities. You see them issue bonds and/or raise rates with a surcharge and eventually the costs are just passed on to the utility customers.

Since this utility of owned by the PR government that may change things, but I doubt it.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
17. No. They money is coded ALWAYS by appropriation
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:09 PM
Oct 2017

And is easy to track. If these are state appropriations it is easy enough to see. Just cross reference a number on "type of funds"


And you are completely wrong about federal funds rebuilding utilities. In the day I used to work on disaster relief contracts. It's quite common, but as noted needs the proper appropriation

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
19. Why do you think PREPA is bankrupt?
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:17 PM
Oct 2017

It isn't due to excellent planning and adherence to prudent rules.

And how would they be state appropriations? Puerto Rico is not a state.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
21. Appropriation is what the money is for
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 11:58 AM
Oct 2017

If the money was appropriated for a state or territory, they could theoretically do their own Contract.

Otherwise, it's a federal contract through a federal agencies.

The feds send monies to states all the time for them to Contract as they see fit.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
20. It happens but it's not the norm
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:17 AM
Oct 2017

Here is an article talking about how the cost for Irma recovery will be passed on to customers, even though applying for federal disaster funds is also an option.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wftv.com/weather/eye-on-the-tropics/duke-fpl-customers-could-pay-for-hurricane-irma-cost-repairs/611666910

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
22. There are actual federal contracts that do this
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:00 PM
Oct 2017

When a state of emergency is declared. USACE has some, FEMA has some.

What you linked to is something different

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
12. It's a KO
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:27 PM
Oct 2017

CO is a commanding officer.

The contract is public knowledge. It should have the KO office symbol

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
10. PREPA- Puerto Rico Electric Power Agency
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:11 PM
Oct 2017

It's a state owned electric utility.

And even before the hurricane horribly run and managed, to the point they were billions in debt.

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