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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:27 AM Oct 2017

Will home mortgage interest deduction be on the chopping block?

Oct. 22, 1986 President Reagan signed a bill that eliminated interest deductions for consumer loans, which included cars, credit cards, etc.

Will home mortgage interest deduction remain or will they try and end it?

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Will home mortgage interest deduction be on the chopping block? (Original Post) SHRED Oct 2017 OP
No, as it primarily benefits the well off. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #1
The well off? SHRED Oct 2017 #4
Upper income people who live in areas of above average housing cost. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #5
All homeowners are not "well off" SHRED Oct 2017 #9
Which is why I used the word "primarily" rather than "only". n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #10
Fair enough SHRED Oct 2017 #23
All homeowners do not take the mortgage interest deduction dumbcat Oct 2017 #12
It depends, but to say you have to have an expensive mortgage Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #14
How unfortunate for you that isn't what was said mythology Oct 2017 #22
It was stated that it only benefits the rich. Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #29
It benefits everyone who has a mortgage Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #13
Actually no, it only benefits you if you have a mortgage and can benefit from itemizing PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #17
True, but most people with a mortgage benefit at SOME Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #19
Your statement is odd titaniumsalute Oct 2017 #24
They'll end it Bettie Oct 2017 #2
Like with the "Bush tax cuts" it's not about whether it helps the middle class but that it helps... PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #7
They won't remove it. It would be political suicide because I suspect it would cause a large number still_one Oct 2017 #3
Doubt it. But if Standard Deduction is increase, MID's benefit may be reduced. Hoyt Oct 2017 #6
The will try. CrispyQ Oct 2017 #8
End it they will crash the economy overnight elehhhhna Oct 2017 #11
And they'll really piss off the one-percenters too FakeNoose Oct 2017 #16
Don't forget yacht owners elehhhhna Oct 2017 #27
i see a nation of real estate agents shitting their pants. deduction is what makes home ownership dembotoz Oct 2017 #15
No, we all lose when too many houses go up for sale at the same time FakeNoose Oct 2017 #18
The way I see it Le Gaucher Oct 2017 #20
It will become irrelevant. former9thward Oct 2017 #21
Renters could use a break, too n/t PasadenaTrudy Oct 2017 #25
If the repugs cut mortgage deductions they turn over the Senate, the House and WH to the Dems. brush Oct 2017 #26
Some people think not - but the way it's written now, it only really helps the middle class... haele Oct 2017 #28

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
12. All homeowners do not take the mortgage interest deduction
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:02 AM
Oct 2017

For many, the Standard Deduction is more advantageous. Or, as in my case, I don't have a mortgage.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
29. It was stated that it only benefits the rich.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 04:49 PM
Oct 2017

Unless you know a lot of rich people purchasing Lancer mobile homes, that's not an honest assessment of who benefits.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
17. Actually no, it only benefits you if you have a mortgage and can benefit from itemizing
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:08 AM
Oct 2017

your deductions.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
24. Your statement is odd
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 11:16 AM
Oct 2017

The majority of homeowners are not necessarily well-off. This tax deduction means a lot of people even with mortgages in the $85,000 to $100,000 range (many which can also be condos.)

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. Like with the "Bush tax cuts" it's not about whether it helps the middle class but that it helps...
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:35 AM
Oct 2017

upper income people more.

still_one

(92,516 posts)
3. They won't remove it. It would be political suicide because I suspect it would cause a large number
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:30 AM
Oct 2017

of mortgage defaults

CrispyQ

(36,562 posts)
8. The will try.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:39 AM
Oct 2017

It will depend on how many people call & write their reps. Ultimately they want us to all rent, not own. Ownership is for the 1%. Get rid of the deduction, watch the housing market tank, buy up all the homes & rent them back for twice the amount.

FakeNoose

(32,908 posts)
16. And they'll really piss off the one-percenters too
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:07 AM
Oct 2017

The mortgage interest deduction is how people can afford 2nd and 3rd homes, and vacation investments.

Take away that deduction and a lot of those houses go on the market for sale at the same time. Prices go down and everybody loses market value = very pissed off people who won't vote Republican next time. Or they'll quietly start financing a different Republican that will do things THEIR way.

Just sayin'

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
27. Don't forget yacht owners
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 01:16 PM
Oct 2017

Don't forget yacht ownersbecause as long as there's a bedroom on the boat it can also count as a second home mortgage

dembotoz

(16,866 posts)
15. i see a nation of real estate agents shitting their pants. deduction is what makes home ownership
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:07 AM
Oct 2017

possible for some

on the bright side it should increase inventory as those who needed the deduction decide to bail

FakeNoose

(32,908 posts)
18. No, we all lose when too many houses go up for sale at the same time
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:09 AM
Oct 2017

Everybody's market value goes down when nobody is buying, because they're all trying to sell.

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
20. The way I see it
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:19 AM
Oct 2017

The super rich ( Republican Donor Class) probably dont need this or the offset on top marginal rate/ Corp rate will more than compensate its loss.


The poor dont probably itemize deductions and will be better off with higher decuctive

The middle class in the 100- 250 k range who are probably well educated and tend to vote Democratic are well and truly fucked. Because even the poor democrats wont come to their rescue as they will be happy with their bigger standard deduction.

Republicans are also eliminating the 401k tax deferment benefit beyond 2400 ( from the the current 18 K) .. I contribute full amount to my 401k and this , if true will be double whammy for me.

The tripple whammy is the removal of deduction for state and local taxes ( SALT) .. the Median House tax in my city ( Berkeley Heights NJ is about $13,000 .. NJ has some of the highest local and state taxes. The bastards are allowing businesses to deduct but not individuals.


Donald MOTHERFUCKER tRump is really sticking it to us.

former9thward

(32,151 posts)
21. It will become irrelevant.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:20 AM
Oct 2017

If the standard deduction is doubled, as proposed, almost no one will take the mortgage interest deduction. Its already limited with mortgages above $1 million.

brush

(53,977 posts)
26. If the repugs cut mortgage deductions they turn over the Senate, the House and WH to the Dems.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 01:01 PM
Oct 2017

It'll never happen. trump might be but Ryan and McConnell are not that stupid.

haele

(12,693 posts)
28. Some people think not - but the way it's written now, it only really helps the middle class...
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 03:07 PM
Oct 2017

so, yes - I think it will. If they're okay with doing away with state and local tax deductions - to punish blue state residents, of course - they're probably going to get rid of mortgage interest deductions - and probably deductions for educational costs.

For the middle class in a low-income red state, the mortgage interest deduction is probably only around up to $10K a year.
The GOP's current strategy of slashing itemized deductions and doubling the standard deduction takes care of that problem for most working class/suburban 3rd quintile and below homeowners in red states, so long as those homeowners are not the Quiverfull types with seven to ten kids.
The wealthy backers and most congress-critters tend to have more houses just that one primary residence per the tax code - if the family mansion wasn't already paid off to begin with.
Their interest rates are probably around 2% as it is; so the deduction on the interest of a 10 million dollar or so mortgage on the primary residence is probably far less than the totality of tax cut they're looking at the GOP handing them next year. So, they lose $1 for every $3 they're gaining. It's still a win for them.

It'll be a wash for most. From what little that's come out, American homeowners and those households who are in the 2nd and 3rd income quintile (annual income of $40K - $90K) will see their tax burden stay pretty much the same, while the lower income homeowners with a mortgage will be paying more with itemized deductions and personal exemptions slashed. The lower income renters may see a bit of relief (maybe from $500 - $2K for a household) - and the 5th quintile will make out.

The hardest hit under this new budget and "tax relief" will be the 1st and 4th quintile type Americans. While the GOP could care less about the former, the latter - even if they seem to be conservative - is the historic breeding ground for violent revolution once they start losing the edges of their educated and privileged middle class comfort zone.

Haele

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