It is a lie that Trump was elected:

[triron]

The voter rolls and vote counts were maliciously and intentionally screwed with.
But the powers that be (even democrats) and the media want us to believe he was.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Thank you, I keep saying this as well. nt

[Grassy Knoll]

2. Everybody Knows That, But The Media...

...Is Having Huge Ratings, More Than The Repetitive Boring Hillary's Email,
Trump Is Viewer Gold, Russia And The Media Is All Part Of The Ruse.

[brooklynite]

3. Conspiracy theory crap...

...I've spoken to Party officials I trust, and none of them believe the votes were rigged. Suggesting they're engaged in a coverup is uncalled for.

[MFM008]

14. By the Russians....

not the democrats.........

[brooklynite]

18. from the OP: "But the powers that be (even democrats) and the media want us to believe he was."

[democratisphere]

4. drumpf was SELECTED by Russia, fakebook, Sh'tter, boggle and a host

of deplorables. HRC was elected by a 3 million voter majority of "we the people". The electoral college "fudge factor" needs to be eliminated so the people's choice can rule the Presidency.

[Hekate]

5. Hillary Clinton knows, and she is speaking out. Never discount that.

[erpowers]

6. I Agree

More and more I believe that this election was stolen. I am not sure the actual machines were tampered with, but I believe a large number of Clinton votes were not counted because her supporters were forced to fill out provisional ballots. I think Clinton actually won all the states that the exist polls claimed she won.

[iluvtennis]

7. I do believe there was some tampering in the battleground state vote tallies. Trump won by 70,000

something votes across Michigan, Penn, Wisconsin, xxx. It was a mere 1.x % in each state. There is something fishy about it all.

[not fooled]

15. Yep

Many more voters were wrongly kicked off the voting rolls in those key swing states than the margins Secretary Clinton "lost" by.

Plus,the GOPee has been rigging elections in earnest since HAVA privatized voting by putting electronic voting machines across the country.

[aeromanKC]

8. All in order to perpetuate the fallacy

That America's shit doesn't stink. We're perfect. Nothing to see here.

[whathehell]

13. Huh?

For reasons more substantive, I'd guess -- like money and power. :

[Lint Head]

9. I think the reason the pollsters got the results so wrong for the first time in history is because

it was stolen. Manipulated in a way that the folks running the polling booths could not detect. I think the pollsters were correct.

[Duppers]

12. Wholeheartedly agree!

[JHan]

10. This theorizing is a distraction. Ask yourself this:

Why would the Mercers spend all that money controlling narratives online, inundating facebook with disinformation, in concert with Russian intelligence operations, when they just needed to change ballots?

Why would they even need to flip ballots when Republicans would just suppress the vote?

The point of Voter Suppression is that you don't need to touch the ballots themselves.

Talk about rigged ballots distract from Republican attempts to limit the franchise.

Conventional politics was broken last year, voters did not understand they were in an information war, where their most sincerely held convictions were used against them- in fact, weaponized against them. It was too easy to manipulate voters and exploit purist politics, cultural anxiety, anti-establishment narratives all designed to make Americans lose faith in Democratic Institutions and in Democracy itself- I'm not being melodramatic either, minds were hijacked. That is the story here.

It's possible they used registry lists to target voters. If information comes out that they actually flipped votes, then I will accept this .. but it's not the big lesson of 2016 for me. Last year changed the face of politics, we better understand the terrain of our opponents.

[MousePlayingDaffodil]

16. This is well put . . .

Moreover, there's another consideration here for which for those who are pushing the "Trump wasn't really elected" line are failing to account: what took place on November 8. 2016 was not the "Presidential election." Rather, the true "Presidential election" occurred on December 19, 2016, when the Electors met in their respective states and "cast" their votes.

I mention this not to open up some debate about the so-called "Electoral College" system as it currently exists under the U.S. Constitution . . . which is not to say that having such a debate may not be worthwhile, but only that that isn't the point here. Rather, the point is, the "Electoral College" system, like it or not, is the system by which the President is chosen. It is the system by which Trump was actually "elected" President, like it or not. The Electoral votes were cast, Congress, sitting in joint session on January 6, 2016, counted the Electoral votes pursuant to the process specified in 3 U.S.C. sec. 15, and thereafter it was "announced" that Trump had been elected President and Pence had been elected Vice President -- i.e., "... the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States."

If the claim is that, in certain states, the popular vote was somehow manipulated and that the "wrong Electors" therefore got to cast their Electoral votes for Trump and Pence, the response to that is, it seems to me, "So what?" Even if true, there is nothing in either the Constitution or the U.S. Code that specifies or directs how an Elector must vote. That is to say, the Electors from, for example, the state of Michigan, while the "Trump slate" of Electors, were not actually compelled, in any constitutional way, to cast their votes for Trump. But they did. And Congress, sitting in Joint Session, was authorized by federal law to object to such Electoral votes cast for Trump. But it didn't. And so, as a matter of law and the Constitution, that's the end of the matter, like it or not. Trump was "elected President." He just was.

In light of this, arguments to the effect this it is somehow a "lie" that "Trump was elected" are a non sequitur. That just isn't true, and advancing such claims are not in any way helpful, it seems to me.

[JHan]

20. yup that's the truth..

as much as I don't like it, and I don't care for the electoral college, the system functioned as it was designed.

Once there's talk questioning the actual integrity of the vote process, we end up on the route of political nihilism which causes people to lose faith in the actual voting process, and ends up being another layer of voter suppression - After all if your vote won't count and will be rigged, why vote?

There are vulnerabilities in electronic voting, but until such time as there's hard evidence of votes being flipped, I'm going to stay away from these conspiracy theories.

Hell, Voter Suppression and Gerrymandering don't get as much attention when they should.

[ucrdem]

11. How much did Michigan spend fighting the Stein recount?

They fought like wild animals. I'm guessing when all is said and done it was over a million in lawyer's fees. A million bucks to avoid having to account for their unaccountable counting. Hmm.....

[malaise]

17. +1,000

Rec

[MoonRiver]

19. Agree 100%

Dems MUST get more on top of this before 2020. Hopefully the courts will help.