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I wonder if they did an autopsy on Paddock? (Original Post) SHRED Oct 2017 OP
Wouldn't most of his brain be all over the wall if he killed himself? MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #1
He did. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #3
Head seems pretty intact. LisaL Oct 2017 #9
A blood test might show the presence of psychoactive drugs. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #15
Pity..the autopsy can't show that he was just plain evil.. HipChick Oct 2017 #2
But, he's a white guy so we must try to understand him. pamela Oct 2017 #23
So double standards...he was an evil POS white terrorist.. HipChick Oct 2017 #24
Yeah, I know. pamela Oct 2017 #27
No Offence taken...just sick of this "looking for a reason" crap... HipChick Oct 2017 #28
"Drag Queen: Anti-Gay Terrorist Omar Mateen Was My Friend" oberliner Oct 2017 #26
They certainly will as part of the investigation Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #4
Have they mentioned yet how much was left in his bank account? The stories that have been reported politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2017 #5
I haven't seen anybody report that he won most of the time. LisaL Oct 2017 #6
Didn't they pull some of his tax filings that showed $5M earnings HipChick Oct 2017 #7
Yes I heard that too, but didn't know how old that information was. A compulsive gambler could lose politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2017 #11
We won't be getting answers about Paddy anytime soon. ucrdem Oct 2017 #8
I was wondering exactly the same thing DFW Oct 2017 #10
Exactly SHRED Oct 2017 #12
Paddock collected assault weapons for years. yardwork Oct 2017 #13
I had a sister-in-law who died from brain tumors. I doubt very seriously if one could have a brain politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2017 #14
My cousin passed with brain tumors...he was just 32 HipChick Oct 2017 #16
My friends wife had an undiagnosed BT for years mitch96 Oct 2017 #22
Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower Killer, had a brain tumor csziggy Oct 2017 #17
My brother in law died from brain cancer DFW Oct 2017 #20
autopsies are standard for unattended deaths Skittles Oct 2017 #18
Lead poisoning can be a problem with people who use guns. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #19
If they are able they should check for a brain tumor. yellerpup Oct 2017 #21
I want a brain scan like they did on Aaron Hernandez. Initech Oct 2017 #25

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
1. Wouldn't most of his brain be all over the wall if he killed himself?
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 01:58 PM
Oct 2017

I'm assuming he did it the way most of them do.

Not trying to be grotesque, just seriously asking.

Ms. Toad

(34,131 posts)
3. He did.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:00 PM
Oct 2017

gun to the roof of the mouth based on photo and description.

His face was remarkably intact - don't know about the brain.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
23. But, he's a white guy so we must try to understand him.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 03:50 PM
Oct 2017

He had to have a motive or a tumor or blah, blah, blah. So fucking sick of this. Et tu, DU?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
26. "Drag Queen: Anti-Gay Terrorist Omar Mateen Was My Friend"
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 04:34 PM
Oct 2017
FORT PIERCE, Florida — Years before he shot up an Orlando gay club in what became the largest mass shooting in American history, Omar Mateen regularly picked up lunch from a drag queen at Ruby Tuesday. He may have even gone to see a drag show or two, a former high school classmate told The Daily Beast.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/drag-queen-anti-gay-terrorist-omar-mateen-was-my-friend
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
4. They certainly will as part of the investigation
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:04 PM
Oct 2017

It would be a very glaring omission to not to.

Tox results may be interesting.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
5. Have they mentioned yet how much was left in his bank account? The stories that have been reported
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:25 PM
Oct 2017

was that he was a high stakes gambler and he won most of the time. But have they checked with his banks and credit card companies to see what his current status is? I heard yesterday that he was betting $1000 a hand on video poker. He could have lost a lot of money on a video machine without attracting the amount of attention he would have otherwise had he been at a table with a Dealer present. If he was on a losing streak, he could have lost a lot of money in a short period of time.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
11. Yes I heard that too, but didn't know how old that information was. A compulsive gambler could lose
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:31 PM
Oct 2017

a lot of money in a short period of time when he's gambling, drinking and distracted with plans of killing lots of people.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. We won't be getting answers about Paddy anytime soon.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:28 PM
Oct 2017

Trust me on this one.


p.s. I've already heard that tell-tale "We might just never know" in more than one language.

DFW

(54,519 posts)
10. I was wondering exactly the same thing
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:30 PM
Oct 2017

I knew a guy in Dallas that was fired from his job because he had gotten undependable and erratic in his work. He died a year later from a brain tumor. No one at his workplace thought to have a guy examined for that, even though his transformation was sudden and completely out of character.

yardwork

(61,809 posts)
13. Paddock collected assault weapons for years.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:42 PM
Oct 2017

I don’t consider it out of character for somebody to use the weapons they stockpiled.

He used his weapons for their intended purpose.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
14. I had a sister-in-law who died from brain tumors. I doubt very seriously if one could have a brain
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:42 PM
Oct 2017

tumor or tumors without the pain that usually accompanies it. My S-I-L suffered for more than two years. Had treatments which shrunk the tumors but they eventually came back in mass. She couldn't ignore the pain and debilitating medications for the pain left her unable to do much but stay in bed because she was weak and didn't want to fall and further injure herself.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
16. My cousin passed with brain tumors...he was just 32
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:53 PM
Oct 2017

and even at that young age...had similar pattern...tumor and his medications left him with a unsteady gait...when he walked he appeared as though he was drunk, let along holding a gun..

mitch96

(13,948 posts)
22. My friends wife had an undiagnosed BT for years
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

The doc's treated her for macular degeneration. She started to get slight headaches and the doc ordered a CT scan.. HUGE benign meningeoma.. They talked her into surgery (67 years old). Came out a vegetable and died five years later. You can never tell.. I just thought some of her statements on things were weird..
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csziggy

(34,141 posts)
17. Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower Killer, had a brain tumor
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:53 PM
Oct 2017

And was functional up to the end.

Medical history

Investigating officers found that Whitman had visited several University doctors in the year before the shootings; they prescribed various medications for him. Whitman had seen a minimum of five doctors between the fall and winter of 1965, before he visited a psychiatrist from whom he received no prescription. At some other time he was prescribed Valium by Dr. Jan Cochrum, who recommended he visit the campus psychiatrist.[49]

Whitman met with Dr. Maurice Dean Heatly, the staff psychiatrist at the University of Texas Health Center, on March 29, 1966.[50] Whitman referred to his visit with Heatly in his final suicide note, writing, "I talked with a Doctor once for about two hours and tried to convey to him my fears that I felt come [sic] overwhelming violent impulses. After one visit, I never saw the Doctor again, and since then have been fighting my mental turmoil alone, and seemingly to no avail."[40]

Heatly's notes on the visit said, "This massive, muscular youth seemed to be oozing with hostility [...] that something seemed to be happening to him and that he didn't seem to be himself."[51] "He readily admits having overwhelming periods of hostility with a very minimum of provocation. Repeated inquiries attempting to analyze his exact experiences were not too successful with the exception of his vivid reference to 'thinking about going up on the tower with a deer rifle and start shooting people.'"[52]

Autopsy

Although Whitman had been prescribed drugs, and was in possession of Dexedrine at the time of his death, no toxicology test was performed at first because Whitman had been embalmed on August 1, after the body was brought to the Cook Funeral Home in Austin. However, an autopsy had been requested in the suicide notes left by Whitman, and was then approved by his father.[53]

On August 2, an autopsy was conducted by Dr. Chenar (a neuropathologist at Austin State Hospital) at the funeral home. Urine and blood were removed to test for traces of amphetamines or other substances.[54] During the autopsy, Chenar discovered a "pecan-sized" brain tumor, which he labeled an astrocytoma and which exhibited a small amount of necrosis. Chenar concluded that the tumor had no effect on Whitman's actions, but this result was later revised by the Connally Commission.[55]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Medical_history


The effects of a brain tumor depend entirely on the location in the brain. My sister died of a glioblastoma multiforma. Her initial symptoms were severe headaches. Once the first tumor mass was removed she was fully functional for several months, then the regrowth caused damage to the parietal region of the brain and she lost language ability. She could understand what was said to her and attempt to respond but the wrong words would come out. She could even understand that what she said was wrong but was unable to correct herself. Even close to the end she was physically able to do things, but her mental abilities had been suppressed as the tumor eventually filled her prefrontal cortex.

DFW

(54,519 posts)
20. My brother in law died from brain cancer
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 03:08 PM
Oct 2017

He had occasional epileptic fits but no pain. It is one kind of cancer that definitely does not have a universal manifestation.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
19. Lead poisoning can be a problem with people who use guns.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 03:05 PM
Oct 2017

It is a problem at gun ranges, so cops can be lead poisoned too.

Initech

(100,151 posts)
25. I want a brain scan like they did on Aaron Hernandez.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 04:26 PM
Oct 2017

I really want to know what made this guy snap.

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