shooter's girlfriend had multiple SSNs and two simultaneous marriages story retracted

[Amishman]

Last edited Wed Oct 4, 2017, 07:21 PM - Edit history (3)

EDIT: STORY RETRACTED AS BAD INFORMATION.

sorry for the delay in updating this, I was at work

[link:http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley-gunmans-girlfriend-social-security-number-677033|

[AngryAmish]

1. Weird people live disorderly lives.

That two seem pretty weird.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

2. Criminal activity red flag

Every time

[safeinOhio]

3. The new Crime Family.,,

I'll bet it gets stranger.

[whistler162]

56. Not that new since it goes

back at least to his father in the 1960's.

[Purveyor]

4. I'm not discounting any possibility at this time. None. eom

[ChubbyStar]

7. I hope they can bring her in soon!

She is a flight risk, especially if she has that $100,000. I find it odd that she wasn't brought in immediately. Tangled web of madness.

[Purveyor]

10. Can we even force her to return to the US if she refuses. Relations with the Philippines

isn't that rosy...

[ChubbyStar]

15. There are mitigating circumstances here that might force the issue

Mass murder for one. Question is, will they be able to find her?

[Purveyor]

20. Don't know if our jurisdiction travels to the Philippines. nt

[RobinA]

18. I'm Thinking No

She's out of reach of a subpoena, and I'm thinking it takes more than "married to a very bad guy" to extradite her.

[Purveyor]

21. She "hightailed it" outta town for some reason... nt

[ChubbyStar]

23. I think there is a TON of drug money involved

And the mother fucking shooter used the casinos to launder his cash. My guess is this woman is in up to her eyeballs.

[SoCalNative]

53. Not necessarily drug money

I know of someone who is Filipina and she is a big loan shark.

[jberryhill]

37. And was on a plane back to the US before you typed that

Care to explain her voluntary return? Is that part of the plot too?

[Purveyor]

39. Good to hear. We shall see. eom

[jberryhill]

42. So, why would she return?

Fit it into your puzzle.

She's back. She's in LA right now.

Or should I say she "hightailed it" back.

[Purveyor]

43. What the fuck else you what me to say. I'm glad she has returned, I didn't know she was on

a flight returning to the USA and I'm pleased she is returning.

Must I let blood to please you???

[snooper2]

70. Maybe, not sure how you would prove it though...

[jberryhill]

76. Depends. What's your blood type?

[haele]

83. Blood banks in Las Vegas need the blood instead of people here on the internet.

If you're really going to let blood as penitence for a "wrong on the internet" comment, best to high-tail it to your local blood bank.
We've donated here, as some of the blood locally that's being shared with other cities to backfill what is they're sending to Las Vegas, and everyone's running short.



I've made many an incorrect or knee-jerk comments over years at DU(since 2001), and before that, years on usenet. I commiserate.

Haele

[treestar]

69. Looks like there is an extradition treaty

but for that, there would have to be charges.

[riversedge]

52. She landed in Los Angelos last night. Come on her own from what I read.

[FakeNoose]

38. She'll disappear in the Phillippines, we'll never get her

Especially if she's participating somehow. It's starting to look like other people are/were involved in this.
I hope I'm wrong.

Just sayin'

[ChubbyStar]

44. LA Times reported she is on a plane that just landed at LAX

Stay tuned.

[FakeNoose]

46. OK thanks

I'm glad I was wrong about it.

[HipChick]

5. Sounds as though they pulled public records, credit reports

[moriah]

72. And did it poorly.

Newsweek has retracted its story that reviewed the public records of Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock.

The initial report was based on many public records, but included an error that came to light after publication when a family member came forward.

Danley remains a "person of interest" in the shooting investigation of the slaughter of 59 people Sunday night in Las Vegas.

Check the article now.

[cwydro]

6. I think we're going to learn a lot of info on these two.

Something is not right.

Who does what this murderer did? Who does that?

It's mind blowing.

[Texasgal]

16. Agreed... something is very strange here.

I think this lady knows more than we'd like to think.

[jberryhill]

17. Pre- and post- citizenship taxpayer ID numbers

The "two social security number" thing is not all that unusual for a person who initially obtained a right to work prior to becoming a citizen.

If her first marriage was primarily a citizenship deal, then the marriage situation seems like ordinary shenanigans.

[cwydro]

19. Interesting.

I didn't know that.

[jberryhill]

25. Otherwise there would be no way for non-citizens to work

It's not clear what documentation the reporter used.

I could see someone saying I have two "social security numbers" - my personal SSN and my corporate TIN. But in this situation, either she ran a small business at some point, or she had a resident alien TIN.

What surprises me sometimes when presented with "verification questions" for things like online SS services or the annual credit report, is that equifax seems to believe I have lived in more places than I have actually lived. This sounds like they pulled her credit report among other things.

I flunk those ID verification tests regularly.

[cwydro]

26. Yeah, I'm going through this as I settle my mother's estate.

I now have the TIN thing. I found this hard to wrap my mind around, but the estate lawyer has been helpful.

Hating this whole thing.

[panader0]

8. There's a big ISIS presence in the Philippines.

Who did he send the $100,000 to?
Asking for a friend....

[Purveyor]

12. Indeed, one only has to duckduck Philippines and Isis to understand this. nt

[sharedvalues]

29. How about Philippines Oklahoma City Bombing?

Also some relation there, including a strange German who met the OKBOMB guys in the Philippines. A white German who seems likely not to be Muslim-related.

https://20committee.com/2014/11/17/lingering-okbomb-questions/

Since that investigation remains highly classified, I will not divulge its contents, though I will make two general comments.

First, the visits by McVeigh and Nichols to the southern Philippines remain mysterious, and perhaps will in perpetuity. Their connections to Ramzi Yousef are weak but visible, while the hand of a Middle East intelligence service, one known for its support to international terrorism, was detectable in outline, if not in detail.

Second, Strassmeir — who seems to be the key to much of the remaining mystery surrounding OKBOMB — appeared to be an intelligence source, and possible agent provocateur, for as many as three different intelligence services, all of which are known to watch neo-Nazi activities in the United States with interest.

The investigation will have to remain there, unsatisfactorily, until somebody decides to resume it. The twentieth anniversary of the Oklahoma City atrocity will soon be upon us. It would be good if a serious re-look at OKBOMB’s many unanswered questions were established for the event.

[jberryhill]

40. What tripe

You think there is something mysterious about a couple of white male losers going to the Philippines?

The way a fine young drunk guy on leave in Thailand said to my wife and I one fine evening in Phuket: "Next time I'm going to the Philippines. It's just like here, but cheaper!"

It's where social misfits go to get laid.

[sharedvalues]

62. Could be

Could be totally innocuous I suppose. But even if they were there to get laid they could have met unsavory people there.
And Alex the German -- article says that there is classified info that he's worked for three intelligence services.

[jberryhill]

36. And one can search "mail order brides"

To pretty quickly understand that sending money back to their family is often part of the deal.

It's not unusual for someone whose initial entry was on a work visa, but who then became a citizen after marrying in the US to have two taxpayer ID numbers.

It is also not unusual for marriages premised on immigration status to be unimportant to persons in them.

The POINT of terrorism is not to conceal one's motives for doing it.

She has voluntarily returned to the US to do, what? Go on the lam again?

Cmon.

[melman]

45. A 62 year old mail order bride

Who's divorced and has already been in the country two decades.

Because that's how that really works.

[LisaL]

47. Well, exactly. She certainly wasn't a "mail order bride."

[jberryhill]

68. The point was more the to the general notion

That search results for "Philippines" and "ISIS" was some sort of clue to what happened here.

[jberryhill]

67. Two decades ago, she wasn't 62

[SharonAnn]

49. We have a militia group compound near me and many have Filipino wives

And they travel back and forth to the Philippines several times a year.

The sheriff says he wouldn't dream of entering their compound because he'd be "seriously outgunned".

But then, I live in East TN and militia groups aren't rare here.

[melman]

24. Yes

I suspect we're going to find their claims weren't so laughable after all.

[ChubbyStar]

30. I've been very dubious of the ISIS claim/connections

But at this point who the fuck knows? I'm still thinking, shooter and the "hostess" were drug dealing (and using), and there was a double, double cross situation happening inside their relationship.

[LeftInTX]

31. I think it was something like that

[Purveyor]

32. But what would motivate drug dealers to pull this off. Not logical to me. nt

[shenmue]

9. Yeah

[octoberlib]

11. Wth?

The person who may hold the key to solving the mystery of why the Vegas gunman killed 59 and wounded nearly 600 people led a convoluted life of her own, with two simultaneous husbands, a bankruptcy, two Social Security numbers, multiple addresses in several states and even different ages depending on which state records you review.

[FakeNoose]

48. Yeah I'm wondering how they got her to return to the US

She's already broken US laws and and we don't even know how she's involved with the shooting.
How are the Feds going to believe what she says anyway?

[Amishman]

55. if drugs are involved, given Duterte's madness on the subject, she may have been wise to come back

might be safer

[jberryhill]

13. Depends on the visa you came in on

If you come in on a work visa, or if you obtain permanent resident status, you get a taxpayer identification number that provides the function of an SSN. If you become a citizen later, you can get an SSN.

This sounds more like her own shenanigans on the path to citizenship through marriage, than anything else.

https://www.thebalance.com/how-to-get-a-social-security-number-for-non-us-citizens-2064264

[LeftInTX]

22. Yep, we had a couple of DACA students

speak at our retirement learning group yesterday. Gotta have a number for all govt business, even if not a citizen.

[GusBob]

14. The 27 different residences piqued my curiosity to criminal activity

The privacy, the explaing to neighbors why they weren't around,

Then all the guns, now this

I think they should check for unsolved bank robberies in all the towns they lived in

[LeftInTX]

27. She sounds like a gold digger

She worked as a VIP hostess in a Reno casino. That is where she met Paddock.

Who knows why she was bankrupt. Did he bail her out? Was she financially demanding?

Maybe being with a gold digger made him snap.

[Nevernose]

41. He told her I pay you

Or something to that effect. Verbally abusive to his s.o., which is the least shocking thing about any of this. Except that literally every neighbor interviewed, across the entire country, described him as essentially a giant asshole.

There’s a WaPo article about it

[raccoon]

54. Link? Nt

[Nevernose]

73. Not the original

But the same info. Using my phone, paywalls, etc.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-at-his-local-starbucks-vegas-shooter-1507060195-htmlstory.html

[obamanut2012]

51. There is no such thing as a "golddigger"

Can we please retire this sexist and outdated term?

[Dream Girl]

59. Um yes there are and they come in both genders

No need forto look for misogyny when it's not there

[obamanut2012]

60. Ummmm no, there is not

And, it is also very much a gendered slur.

[Dream Girl]

86. Well I guess you are entitled to live in your reality

Where people don't marry or hook up for money and anyone using that term is a despicable misogynist. Good to know Anna Nicole Smith really did love that old codger.

[LeftInTX]

63. I guess grifter is better suited

Didn't mean to sound sexist. Grifter goes both ways and his excessve gambling isn't exactly wholesome.

[NickB79]

65. You don't believe that some people marry for money instead of love?

Seriously?

[Jamastiene]

91. Thank you. n/t

[Not Ruth]

78. Now I ain't saying she a gold digger

She take my money when I'm in need
Yea she's a trifling friend indeed
Oh she's a gold digger way over town
That digs on me
Now I ain't saying she a gold digger
But she ain't messing with no broke n :;
Now I ain't saying she a gold digger
But she ain't messing wit no broke &))&
Get down girl, go 'head get down
Get down girl, go 'head get down
Get down girl, go 'head get down
Get down girl, go 'head
Cutie the bomb
Met her at a beauty salon
With a baby Louis Vuitton
Under her underarm
She said I can tell you
I can tell by ya charm
Far as girls you got a flock
I can tell by ya charm and ya arm
But I'm looking for the one

[sharedvalues]

28. Read this from an ex NSA analyst

Don't jump to conclusions yet.

Even if a foreign source was somehow related, they would almost certainly have tried to set up a false trail of evidence to point elsewhere. Give the FBI and NSA some time to work out what really happend.

Check this article.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016194035

[Purveyor]

33. If the NSA have the capabilities it is claimed they do, the know much about Paddock, et al

Waiting...

[sharedvalues]

34. Depends...

Depends on who paddock really was. If a real agent of another foreign Intel service, he could work hard and maybe escape NSA recordings.

Remember during the OK bomb investigation the FBI interviewed 18,000 people. That takes time. And there McVeigh was bragging he did it.

[LeftInTX]

35. Interesing article from LA Times

[link:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-at-his-local-starbucks-vegas-shooter-1507060195-htmlstory.html|

Worth a read. On my phone, so can't quote. He got mad if she used his casino card at Starbucks.

[dalton99a]

82. Good info

Their order was always the same. He’d get a venti mocha cappuccino and she a medium caramel macchiato.

Workers remembered Paddock as a tall man with a big beer belly and heavy bags under his eyes.

The abuse would come when she asked to use his casino card to make the purchase, Mendoza said. The card enables gamblers to use credits earned on electronic gambling machines to pay for souvenirs or food in the casino.

“He would glare down at her and say — with a mean attitude — ‘You don’t need my casino card for this. I’m paying for your drink, just like I’m paying for you.’ Then she would softly say, ‘OK’ and step back behind him. He was so rude to her in front of us.”

[obamanut2012]

50. That's usually the hallmark of a grifter

Not a terrorist.

It will be interesting to see what the Feds find.

[WinkyDink]

57. Sounds like she was just following the money! Flashy big spender/gambler, lonesome AWG.

[Willie Pep]

58. We won't know the full story for at least a week.

This incident seems especially weird.

[HAB911]

61. LOL, she seems nice

[yardwork]

64. The absurd lengths that people go to explain away the behavior of this man....

It reminds me of all the ways that people ignored and rationalized Trump’s behavior during the campaign.

The efforts to blame this man’s actions on a girlfriend - an exercise almost totally devoid of facts, driven by innuendo and speculation - would be surprising if we didn’t have the 2016 election as a prior example.

[Doodley]

81. Well said.

[yardwork]

85. Thanks.

[moriah]

66. I think, looking at Clark County, Newsweek is confused.

I see a 1990 marriage between a Geary Dean Danley and a Marilou Bustos.

Then the 1996 marriage between Jose B. Romam Bustos and "Marilou C Natividad".

I think Marilou C Natividad-Bustos is a completely separate person.

[moriah]

71. And I was right! Retracted!

http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley-gunmans-girlfriend-social-security-number-677033

Newsweek has retracted its story that reviewed the public records of Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock.

The initial report was based on many public records, but included an error that came to light after publication when a family member came forward.

Danley remains a "person of interest" in the shooting investigation of the slaughter of 59 people Sunday night in Las Vegas.

[dalton99a]

84. Pretty damn sloppy

[mainer]

74. She should sue Newsweek.

Unbelievably sloppy reporting. A random commenter on their site spotted the inaccuracy. And commenter was correct.

[moriah]

89. Which Marilou should sue, though?

The one accused of bigamy and identity fraud when she's already got enough on her plate?

Or the poor woman in California who learned getting married in Vegas would get on the news, in relation to a mass shooting?

[lindysalsagal]

75. He snapped because she took off and left him. Maybe.

Not so unusual. Also, he might not have told anyone....

[Not Ruth]

77. Made for each other

He had multiple planes, she had multiple husbands

[moriah]

88. But NOT at the same time!

Beware, Marilous everywhere, you too could be the next person mistaken for her!

[mainer]

79. Newsweek has retracted the story, people!!!

They obviously confused two different women.

[Demsrule86]

80. News Week has retracted their story that Marilou Danley used two social security numbers.

[stopbush]

87. Story RETRACTED by Newsweek.

[Demsrule86]

90. Why isn't this taken down the story is retracted.