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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI can see Canada from here and it's looking awfully good
Like most Americans Im feeling physically ill this morning. I would not call myself grief stricken, just sick, nauseated by yet another atrocity and the predictable responses on both sides. Im sickened by the hypocrisy of Trumps prayers and the never ending parade of experts on violence working almost full time on cable news. In short, Im sick of the United States of America.
I once considered myself patriotic. I served in Vietnam and, before that enlightening experience, even railed against peace activists. I became one myself in the run up to the Iraq war even though I paid a financial price for my very public stance against the war. I campaigned for John Kerry alongside other veterans and rejoiced when we twice elected Barack Obama. I believed we had turned a corner as a nation and as a society. In spite of the shameful conduct of the opposition party, I once again was proud of my country and hopeful for my children.
In November we saw how a wealthy minority was able to weaponize stupidity and hatred. We have witnessed eight months of national decline under the ironic banner of making America great again. It seems strange to be pitied by my friends in Europe, friends in countries that have endured invasion, occupation and oppression. Always a proud American, I have often fantasized about living in Italy as an expatriate but forever an American. During Bushs presidency I looked into Irish citizenship which my grandmothers birthplace entitled me to. In the end, I stuck with the home of the brave and the land of the free.
Following our last disastrous election I mused about moving to Canada. It was a comfortable fantasy but I was certain things would never get that bad. This morning my wife and I had our first serious discussion about it.
My life changed rather dramatically three years ago when my wife of forty years died very unexpectedly. When I assumed my life was over, I got a reprieve in the form of a reconnection with someone I was very close to before we drifted apart almost forty-five years ago. Decades later we discovered values and interests we shared even though we somehow had managed to overlook them in our youth. It became obvious that we were going to spend the rest of our lives together. The only question was where. I had lived in southern Oregon all my life and she had returned to Washington State after a successful career on the east coast. For a number of reasons, we settled on her home in La Conner, Washington, very close to Canada.
We travel to Canada frequently. Our boating trips have taken us to within a few miles of Canadian waters and we have obtained the necessary documents to very easily visit Canadian ports. We have come to admire Canadian hospitality and culture. Trumps presidency has given us many opportunities to compare the American way with the Canadian way and the red, white and blue is not faring well.
The recognition that we are living in a dying country that refuses to heal itself has made emigration more than just a possibility. That might be seen as escapism but, at our age, staying and fighting is no longer an attractive option. Maybe, as Canadians, we can keep it from happening again in another place.
True Dough
(17,392 posts)Canada surely has room for someone with your enlightened outlook. I'm sorry to hear the reasons for your desire to emigrate but Canada is a great alternative, although not without its warts. No place is perfect, of course.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Please let us know. I'm 65, retired attorney. Not licensed in
Canada. I can teach too. I would work to be a productive citizen.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,394 posts)I'm thinking, if you gonna take a powder, leave North America altogether. Canada is close enough to get nuked by association.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Siwsan
(26,333 posts)I know it's more difficult for retired people to get permits to stay, but that's not going to stop me from checking into it.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Canada. I can teach too. I would work to be a productive citizen.
I have no desire to start up with work, again, but I do have savings and investments sufficient to show I am self sufficient. I'm just not sure how the healthcare part would work.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Is a question. I've heard Americans are welcome to settle the Maritimes, but even then there is the healthcare question. Unfortunately, I do not speek French, just English & Spanish. Truly, keep me posted. Thank you.
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Siwsan
(26,333 posts)If things don't change, I'm done.
I wanna go, too.
Vinca
(50,334 posts)which country to live in. We chose this one. We now regret that choice.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)But if you served in Vietnam that places you well over the age limit for regular immigration to Canada.
Your only hope would be to qualify because you have specific education and skillset in an in demand work field and had a standing job offer from a Canadian company, and your douse was also judged employable, and a bunch of other factors. And even then your age will probably block any attempt to move there.
It's actually pretty hard to legally move to Canada.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)moondust
(20,028 posts)I think it's a point system. I tried it years ago but didn't qualify.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)When you look at that point system listed also keep in kind that all those degrees and job skills have to come in a field the government says they have a critical shortage of.
Also if you or your spouse have any kind of disability or medical issue that they Canadian immigration authorities determine might be a burden on the health care system you will be turned away. They turn away families with developmental disabled children, people in wheelchairs, people who are HIV positive- anything they decide would be an "excessive demand" on the health care system gets you turned away.
So someone old enough to have served in Vietnam is probably, like 99%, not going to be allowed in for permanent residency or citizenship. Not unless your in absolute perfect health with a really high demand job skill, and advanced degree, and a job offer in place from a Canadian company who wants to do the work of sponsoring you- and most companies will sponsor someone they hope to get a lot of years of work from.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)I am moving back to Germany in January which makes me happy.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)took in so many refugees, many of which we should have taken in. Germany will prosper after adjusting.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)I realize Germany has its problems but they tend to be more careful how far they allow things to go before it becomes to much to handle. They already had their Hitler and do not want another one. Germany has been pretty happy with Merkel's handling of trump ( including those great eye rolls she gives him.)
roamer65
(36,748 posts)I don't see a United States by the sestercentennial in 2026.
mnhtnbb
(31,419 posts)to an English speaking country. Canada doesn't want us. Great Britain used to have a residency visa for retirees of independent means, but no more. My father's grandfather came to the US from Canada after coming from England a couple of generations previously, but that won't help me move to Canada now at age 66.
I'm looking at France or Italy. My husband and I hold permanent resident visas in Panama--which is a story from Bush days-- but now more than a decade after getting them I wouldn't want to live there permanently and given my circumstances probably alone.
I have been trying to convince my oldest son and his partner they should try for Canada. Maybe if they went I could get in under family sponsorship.