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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumswith so many eyes on everything there, and since the shooter was there for several days...
I suspect they must have video of him coming and going with parcels/packages over the days - hopefully some clues to help fill in a pretty empty picture of who he was and why he did it.
I was just in the car and in the NPR coverage, they replayed the dumpster's words.
One sentence struck me as odd - thanking first responders (glad he did that) - but then he said and I don't have the exact words - but acknowledging the police did great locating the gunner after the first bullets were fired.
Just listening to the few video and audio clips on the event, with the automatic weapon fire, there had to have been hundreds of bullets fired in each shooting span - and didn't they locate the gunner because the smoke from his guns set off the fire alarm?
No disrespect meant for those involved in locating the shooter, but 58 deaths and more than 500 injuries aren't stopping the shooter after the first few bullets. It certainly was a tough task given the logistics of the crime. But....Pretty tone deaf part of the speech, I thought.
lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)between the first CALL reporting shots fired and the police entering the shooter's room at Mandalay Bay.
Not exactly what I would call stellar response time.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,038 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)They had to locate him, mobilize a SWAT team, travel to the hotel, get up to the room and force entry. Typically SWAT teams are cops with regular duties and shifts who also volunteer and train for that duty, so they had to all drop what they were doing on or off duty, gear up, travel to the scene, make it up to the floor and make entry.
Since he had stopped firing by that point rushing in with active shooter protocol takes a back seat to a more deliberate entry by a SWAT team.
lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)so... call comes in of someone shooting at a concert. Dispatch should have been trained to immediately call SWAT.
15 min to assemble and travel to the venue (Just a guess, I lived in LV for a while and travel to anywhere on the strip, even using the back streets, can be problematic). Another 15 min to identify the likely floor and rooms...
So... 30 min more to find the exact room?
I'm not a SWAT officer or a police officer, but that response seems slow to me.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)That they were in the hallways outside much faster but since the shooting had stopped were moving with more caution at that point- but ready to go faster if shooting resumed.
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Cops on ground surely saw that.
lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)The security people at the concert knew the shooting was coming from the upper floors at Mandalay Bay.
But you try to look at the hotel and guess which floor... it's not that easy.
Apparently, when SWAT arrived they first went to floor 29 and then worked their way up to floor 32.
HAB911
(8,957 posts)is how they found him
Unverified as far as I know, heard on the intertubes
NRaleighLiberal
(60,038 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,327 posts)He can burn in hell.