Call all GOP reps. today to oppose eliminating checks on silencers and

[sinkingfeeling]

more deadly ammo. Dial 1-877-960-2185 for free call. Ask them how much worse last night would have been if people can't hear the gunfire. The bill (they were to vote on today) is H.R. 3668 or the SHARE Act.

[hack89]

1. A "silenced" gun is as loud as a jackhammer

you can certainly hear it from a distance. Too many people getting their gun knowledge from movies.

[Adrahil]

2. Yeah, people think it's like the THWP! sound on TV. But it's not, especially on a rifle. NT

[sinkingfeeling]

3. You know I really don't give a damn. What reason does anybody have for a silencer?

[Calculating]

4. You know, what did silencers have to do with this

Seems like you're just using this unspeakable tragedy to push unrelated anti-gun agenda.

[hack89]

5. To protect their hearing.

suppressor plus ear muffs lowers the noise level below the dangerous threshold.

Why do they represent such a public danger? Can you articulate your fears?

[Hoyt]

6. We wouldn't want gun-fanciers to suffer hearing loss. If concerned about hearing, find another hobby

[hack89]

7. I have several suppressors.

lets not forget they have been legal for decades.

[Hoyt]

11. Good for you, I'm sure your hearing appreciates it. Still think another hobby is in order,

considering what guns -- and those attracted/addicted to them -- are doing to our society, directly or indirectly.

[hack89]

14. Do I also have to give up drinking?

considering what alcohol -- and those attracted/addicted to it -- are doing to our society, directly or indirectly?

Just wondering if you were consistent.

[uponit7771]

9. Oh bullshit !!!

[hack89]

15. Another well reasoned response.

no wonder you are on a 20 year losing streak.

[uponit7771]

19. Says the person who's arguing a silencers wont lower decibels from a fire arm significantly ...

... "jack hammer" my ass, for every fire arm ?!

No... you know that

[hack89]

20. Here. I did your research for you.

Library whisper – 30 db
Emergency vehicle siren – 115 db
Silenced .22 rifle – 116 db
Thunder – 120 db
Silenced 9mm pistol – 125 db
Dish breaking – 129 db
Jackhammer – 130 db
Silenced .223 rifle – 134 db
Silenced 12 gauge shotgun – 137 db
Jet taking off – 150 db
Non-silenced 12 gauge shotgun – 160 db
Non-silenced .223 rifle – 165 db

https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/28/how-loud-is-a-silencer/

[uponit7771]

26. 3 DB of silence is twice the energy to do so so even 3 db is significant, there's no really practica

... argument that silencers don't quite a gun and no sense in arguing a silenced 22 is louder than a jackhamer which your post shows its not.

[hack89]

27. OK.

you win. Have a nice day.

[JoeStuckInOH]

22. He's actually not wrong, I was interested itn eh claim so I just looked this up.

I Googled Quietest Silencers. This one was mentioned: Gemtech Mist
https://gemtech.com/gemtech-mist-22-supressor.html

It's "114 dB" and most all of the others I looked up claim to be anywhere from 115-140dB. I guess it depends on model. For What it's worth, I saw the numbers of 150-160dB mentioned for most guns WITHOUT silencers. Anyways, see chart of common loud things below. It's very well possible that many silencers have the report of a "jackhammer". It's probably worth mentioning that things like jackhammers, lawn mowers, and jet engines make continuous noise and a gunshot is a relatively "short" sound... that may have something to do with someone's perception of how "loud" it is.

[uponit7771]

25. He's NOT right, " I guess it depends on model" ... which was my point !! The smaller the caliber

... the quiter the possibility of the suppressor.

A 22 with a suppressor isn't going to sound like a jackhammer ...

So why give a blank ability to get them through this bill?!

Its a sick ass'd bill

[JoeStuckInOH]

29. No, a 22LR won't sound like a "Jackhammer". It's only as loud as emergency vehicle sirens - LOL.

They're practically as many decibels as handheld airhorns, for crying out loud. Yeah... super stealthy.

And 22LR is pretty much as small & Quiet as it gets and it's still not whisper quiet enough for shooters to go "unheard". Especially considering MOST hunters and shooters are going to be using more substantial bullets than a popgun 22LR at things.

As far as I'm concerned, a silencer is just an accessory that has no practical effect on the lethality of a gun or shooting event. They're not ninja/assassin level "quiet" in any regards. And If anything it makes a gun heavier and more unwieldy (harder to conceal).

There are however possible upsides to decreasing the restrictions on silencers including hearing protection and decreasing the disturbances caused by legitimate hunting and target/practice shooting.

[uponit7771]

30. You understand you're making my case, quieter is not better no matter how quieter ... I don't

... get the feedback here.

"its not as quite as nuke bomb" still doesn't make the silencer bill a good one.

[JoeStuckInOH]

35. They are quieter enough to allow for hearing protection. Which is reason enough for the bill, IMO.

If a hunter or recreational shooter can shoot without permanently damaging hearing, or shoot without raucously annoying neighbors 1/2 mile away, or use a gun in self defense indoors in the middle of the night without deafening themselves.... well than those are reasons enough.

If someone thinks this silencer bill will helps a mass shooter go unheard during a massacre... well then their intellect in on par with Trumps.

[uponit7771]

36. The bad outweighs the good, a silencer would've made the situation worse last night

[JoeStuckInOH]

37. No it would not have. Have you ever been shot at (like, for real)? I have.

Spent 2 years in Afghanistan. Getting fired upon was a weekly affair. I've also fired many guns suppressed and unsuppressed. Safe to say I have more than my fair share of experience on the matter from both sides of the gun.
Typical medium rifle cartridge probably has a gunshot report of ~160dB
A suppressed intermediate rifle (AR, AK, etc) is probably shooting around 130dB
The bullet Flight is probably somewhere in the 115dB range. (still VERY loud)

Silencers quiet gunshots... NOT bullet flight. You don't have to be too far away from a 160dB or 130dB gun shooting in your direction before the bullet flight is the loudest thing you hear. Maybe 100 yards or so depending if the weapon is muzzle braked. When someone is that far away with a rifle, the sound of the supersonic bullet passing is the FIRST thing you hear. A loud crack passing through the air. Then, a moment or so later, you hear the actual gunshot. It's a muted "pop". This is quite unsettling the first time you experience it firsthand. Unless the shooter is relatively close the supersonic crack of the shots around you can be significantly louder than the gunshot.

This guy was dozens of floors up over a Vegas mall. For all those victims not right up near the Hotel, the loudest component of the attack would be the bullets in the air and bullets hitting pavement. NOT the gunshots. I'm not saying A silencer would have made NO difference... but if it did it would be VERY trivial if you were down in that concert gallery.

The biggest advantage of a suppressor to the shooter would be difficulty in locating him from someone else (ie: police counter-sniper) LOOKING/LISTENING for him... and even then, only if the shooter were taking a few shots at a time. A silencer isn't going to help conceal someone laying down continuous full auto with a rifle.

EDIT: I guess I'd have to agree to disagree on potential risks of allowing silencers to become unregulated. They really aren't quiet, but still quiet enough to offer ear protection and reduce nuisance to people nearby.

[uponit7771]

38. So being able to hear less gunshots would've been safer for the victims? Come back? thx

[LanternWaste]

12. I like to trivialize the concerns of others as mere fear as well..

I like to trivialize the concerns of others as mere fear as well...as it allows our own narratives and biases a thicker patina of self-righteousness and cleverness.

[hack89]

16. If the fear is that you cannot hear the gunshots

then it is worthy of trivialization. Emotions don't trump hard facts in my world. Your mileage might differ.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Have you looked at the bill? If It's all about protecting hearing, then

why is Duncan's bill preempting state laws and destroying records after 1 year? Why do you need armor piercing ammo?
This bill is a piece of GOP partnering to Trumps base.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3668/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22SHARE+Act%22%5D%7D&r=1

[hack89]

18. You tell me what the danger of suppressors is.

just curious why a rifle at 120 decibels is all of a sudden a public safety risk.

[sinkingfeeling]

23. IMO, all guns are a public safety issue. Silenced or not. As I pointed

out this bill is a POS, including much more than silencers. Why do you need armor piercing ammo?

[hack89]

24. So I looked at the bill

especially at the part about armor piercing ammo and it is not clear to me that it will all of a sudden make it more common and easier to get. It just looks like they are tightening the language. Perhaps you can explain to me the impact of the changes.

I don't need armor piercing ammo.

[nycbos]

10. Ask Homer Simpson

[Baconator]

17. Subtle subway conflicts...

[snooper2]

31. One of my friends wants one for his AR for when he goes hunting wild hogs

Has a ranch house a couple hours away and goes there once in a while to get away. Has a stand and he can get the first one and after that shot they scatter like, well wild hogs....

[sinkingfeeling]

33. Anybody who shoots any animal from a stand shouldn't be allowed to

call themself a hunter.

[snooper2]

34. Well, I guess you could go after them with a spear but I wouldn't recommend it...

There is a reason in Texas you can kill as many wild hogs as you want every day, all year long...

[uponit7771]

8. Decibels are lowered, why pick fly shit from pepper on this?

[hack89]

21. Because they are still loud as hell?

and you have get to articulate why they pose a danger to public safety?

They have been legal for decades - can you point out a single mass killing using one? How many crimes can you find where one was used?

Don't be mad - moral panic has never been an effective means of argument. You shouldn't be surprised when you get called on it.

[obamanut2012]

28. Silencers literally do nothing

Often, they actually make the guns more inaccurate, but they don't silence them at all.

[bdamomma]

32. K&R