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Only 30 % of democrats want Sanders to run again (Original Post) factfinder_77 Sep 2017 OP
With the 46%ers. democratisphere Sep 2017 #1
I would question the source of this post-sounds RW Stargazer99 Sep 2017 #2
Ok, check up on the source (the poll, the HuffPo writer) and... JHB Sep 2017 #11
He has said much about the Democratic Party...I saw quite a few on twitter who were pretty angry. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #18
ROFL snooper2 Sep 2017 #45
If it was really right wing or Russian LiberalFighter Sep 2017 #107
And here is 44% saying that they do CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #3
OP cites dem voters lillypaddle Sep 2017 #5
Possibly and also we need to keep in mind CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #6
The poll you cited was based on a choice from among 4 people. brer cat Sep 2017 #12
The polls are never good for some are they? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #59
OR people are wise to the propaganda and hero worship. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #93
The data in one of the polls is not current. lapucelle Sep 2017 #92
Two differences in the polls... thesquanderer Sep 2017 #7
Check this out CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #9
He needs Dem voters...and I just don't think that happens. Also, we can not run a candidate who Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20
Agreed. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #112
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #119
He didn't generate "the most," because in that poll, Joe Biden's 43% pnwmom Sep 2017 #55
There are several polls saying that Bernie is the most popular CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #60
No, we don't know this. None of the cited polls included Joe Biden. pnwmom Sep 2017 #61
You do know this CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #64
LOL. You can't point me to a single poll that compares Bernie to every politician in America. pnwmom Sep 2017 #94
That data is old. lapucelle Sep 2017 #91
Note that the HuffPo article PDittie Sep 2017 #4
Right, only 20% want Clinton to run again. (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2017 #8
People want to see somebody new run I think. nt. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #50
Bingo. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #75
Great post, Cherrypicker_77! TCJ70 Sep 2017 #10
Bad polling. LexVegas Sep 2017 #13
You're right, it's higher :) CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #15
hahahahahaha JHan Sep 2017 #109
Prove me wrong CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #115
I'm not interested, which is why I enjoyed that laugh. JHan Sep 2017 #117
Of course you aren't CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #118
Correct! JHan Sep 2017 #122
He is done regardless of polls. bluepen Sep 2017 #14
Done? How so? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #16
He is not going to be elected President. bluepen Sep 2017 #29
Says who? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #33
Never happen. cwydro Sep 2017 #36
Says who? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #39
Bernie Sanders is no Barack Obama. cwydro Sep 2017 #40
Funny isn't it? BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #49
Spot on. cwydro Sep 2017 #51
Go back and read my response CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #58
I read it just fine. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #72
Okay CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #73
It's ridiculous lunamagica Sep 2017 #67
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #80
Did I say he was? No CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #57
To me the question is not whether he can become president but rather what he could expect to StevieM Sep 2017 #84
You asked me and I answered, so: says me. bluepen Sep 2017 #42
I don't think so...I would vote for whoever, the Democratic candidate is. But I don't Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #43
Say the majority of Dems. He will never be president lunamagica Sep 2017 #66
I supported Sanders in the primary Bettie Sep 2017 #17
You can definitely include me in one of those groups. I won't say which one... for obvious reasons. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #19
hee hee... lunamagica Sep 2017 #68
I think we need a new face next time Va Lefty Sep 2017 #21
He is my current favorite politician but I was "anybody but Hillary" so I would have supported m-lekktor Sep 2017 #22
So you weren't able to vote for Hillary in the general? Control-Z Sep 2017 #32
Wow, seriously? cwydro Sep 2017 #38
Jim Webb too? Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #46
Did you vote for her in the GE? lunamagica Sep 2017 #69
*Crickets* lunamagica Sep 2017 #100
yes i did vote for her. I always vote for the DEM m-lekktor Sep 2017 #113
Thank you. That wasn't so hard, was it? lunamagica Sep 2017 #114
I don't care if he runs just don't run as a Democrat leftofcool Sep 2017 #23
I love Bernie, but I don't want him to run again. Vinca Sep 2017 #24
I'm with you. Younger candidates with younger contacts Warpy Sep 2017 #101
Republicans are the enemy ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #25
......... disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #26
That number is high. Nt Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #27
He will be too old. Thirties Child Sep 2017 #28
Nawww CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #37
I was pretty solid in Clintons corner. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #41
... Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #30
Another of the daily attacks on Bernie? left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #31
Daily attack? How do you figure? I'm not seeing it as an attack. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #53
TIL: Unfavorable polls are now an attack. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #63
Read the whole article. It's more of an attack on Hillary than Bernie. Autumn Sep 2017 #56
Hillary has no plans to run again, so this is irrelevant lunamagica Sep 2017 #71
No, it's actually not irrelevant melman Sep 2017 #78
Thoughtful reply lunamagica Sep 2017 #86
### NurseJackie Sep 2017 #90
I'm very sure it is. Autumn Sep 2017 #82
What is so funny? lunamagica Sep 2017 #87
Lots of things are funny, it all depends on one's sense of humor. I have no idea what you find funny Autumn Sep 2017 #88
Of course you don't, but I'm curious. What did you find funny about my post? lunamagica Sep 2017 #97
I find poll question six funny. lapucelle Sep 2017 #98
Now, that's funny! lunamagica Sep 2017 #99
Gawd, him again... pangaia Sep 2017 #76
Him and that damn popularity of his. Autumn Sep 2017 #83
From the same article. Only 20 % want to see Clinton run again Autumn Sep 2017 #34
Yah, someone kinda buried the lede there.... KTM Sep 2017 #48
In their zeal to post a hit piece on Bernie they post a hit piece on Hillary, one Autumn Sep 2017 #54
No, that's not it. It;s because she's not running again lunamagica Sep 2017 #70
Suuuuuure... KTM Sep 2017 #81
You are wrong. There was no point to post a headline like that, because she's nor running again lunamagica Sep 2017 #95
Tell yourself whatever you need to. KTM Sep 2017 #104
I see that works for you. R B Garr Sep 2017 #108
Exactly. And I'll take the actual quantifiable popularity R B Garr Sep 2017 #89
Well said. After all, that's the only reall poll, the one that counts. lunamagica Sep 2017 #96
Ouch. Iggo Sep 2017 #77
I'm surprised it's as high as 30% NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #35
Lets keep Ds and D party friends ELECTED in the midterms coming up-hey?hello? Sunlei Sep 2017 #44
And 66% of Californians are against single payer, right factfiner? Iggo Sep 2017 #47
The devil is always in the details. Autumn Sep 2017 #65
It's a long time until 2020 hamsterjill Sep 2017 #52
Eh, there's still time for that number to go down before 2020. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #62
I'm a Sanders fan. If he does run, maybe I'll vote for him. But I'd rather we get a different JCanete Sep 2017 #74
Copy that! redstatebluegirl Sep 2017 #79
No more old white men Lebam in LA Sep 2017 #85
FOCUS People, 2018 kacekwl Sep 2017 #102
This is ridiculous. Focus people. We need to win everything between now and 2018 riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #103
What's silly and divisive is attacking good elected Democrats R B Garr Sep 2017 #106
Funny, last year Sanders and Biden were the top choices for Dems Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #105
by 2018 we'll see surefire contenders. JHan Sep 2017 #110
Most likely, HE doesn't want to run again Ken Burch Sep 2017 #111
Agreed... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #121
I guess I can understand why you didn't mention Hillary Clinton's poll numbers from that piece m-lekktor Sep 2017 #116
I think if he was 10-15 years younger, he'd be a frontrunner oberliner Sep 2017 #120

JHB

(37,128 posts)
11. Ok, check up on the source (the poll, the HuffPo writer) and...
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:18 AM
Sep 2017

...explain how you see it or her as RW.

It isn't particularly RW to be leery of running someone who will start a high-stress job at 80 years old ... and after Kremlin Don, there will be a whole extra mountain range of stress.

Nor is it unreasonable to think that if Bernie wants to run for the Democratic nomination again, then he should join the party.

There's nothing "RW" about holding an opinion that Bernie would be more effective outside the presidency, or even running for it.

Nor is it "RW" to note that it can't be all about him. He's said that much himself. His some 40% of primary votes stands as proof there is a substantial constituency within the party, but to take it further calls for people within the party. And a younger set who will be able to advance it over the next 20-30 years.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
5. OP cites dem voters
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:54 AM
Sep 2017

this one doesn't distinguish what party the voters are affiliated with. Could this be the difference?

 

CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
6. Possibly and also we need to keep in mind
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:00 AM
Sep 2017

that we as a party are less than 29% of the total electorate. We can't win without someone who doesn't get the indy vote and Bernie not only gets that, he gets it bu huge margins. What I find interesting is that all the other polls say that he is the most popular among Democrats. I'm thinking the poll the OP posted is an outliar

brer cat

(24,401 posts)
12. The poll you cited was based on a choice from among 4 people.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:24 AM
Sep 2017

The oft sited "popularity" polls are also based on a limited number of choices. They are meaningless.

 

CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
59. The polls are never good for some are they?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:21 PM
Sep 2017

There are so many polls out there saying Bernie is the most popular politician and so many news articles written about this but for some, the earth is still flat it seems

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
92. The data in one of the polls is not current.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:16 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)

One poll is from December 2016 and the other is from September 2017.

thesquanderer

(11,953 posts)
7. Two differences in the polls...
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:05 AM
Sep 2017

The polls are nine months apart, but also it look like your older one (for this question) polled Dems and Independents, whereas the newer one polled Dems and "Democratic leaning" independents, which would lessen Sanders support, by taking out all the independents who do not self-identify as Dem-leaning. I don't think there has ever been any question that, outside of the Dem base, Sanders does better than Clinton, so the more your survey also includes people who do not identify as Dem, the better you would expect Sanders to do relative to Clinton.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
20. He needs Dem voters...and I just don't think that happens. Also, we can not run a candidate who
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:41 AM
Sep 2017

will be close to 80. And this would cause division in the party...we need new blood. Neither Hillary nor Bernie should run.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
112. Agreed.
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 01:33 AM
Sep 2017

That said, there's no reason the IDEAS both champion shouldn't have a legitimate place in this party, or for the supporters of either to be told to shut up or go way.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
119. Nobody is doing that.
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 08:40 AM
Sep 2017
or for the supporters of either to be told to shut up or go way.
Nobody is doing that.

there's no reason the IDEAS both champion shouldn't have a legitimate place in this party
Why focus on the past? There's no good reason to do so when the voters have spoken. The ideas of one were embraced and the ideas of the other were rejected. It's as simple as that. That's reality. Time to move on. No need to try and rehash the primaries, or to bring them forward and argue the past or about things that are already settled.

My advice is to look forward. Look to the future. Embrace new ideas and focus less on the past. Be realistic.



pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
55. He didn't generate "the most," because in that poll, Joe Biden's 43%
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:26 PM
Sep 2017

is statistically in the same range. They were statistically TIED.

And the poll you cited is OLD. Ancient, in poll years.

 

CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
60. There are several polls saying that Bernie is the most popular
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:23 PM
Sep 2017

We all know this. It isn't new. It's been this way going on almost a year now

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
61. No, we don't know this. None of the cited polls included Joe Biden.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:26 PM
Sep 2017

One of them includes only sitting Senators and another only lists 4 Democrats and Bernie (and a handful of GOP) -- not Joe Biden -- and from this some people have drawn the ridiculous conclusion that Bernie is the "most popular politician in the country."

To show that I am wrong, you'll have to link to a recent poll that includes Joe Biden and all the other nationally-known Dems. Go ahead.

 

CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
64. You do know this
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:35 PM
Sep 2017

Bernie is the most popular politician in America who is currently serving. There is absolutely no evidence saying anything else anywhere. You've seen the polls. I'm not about go down the rabbit the hole in an argument and bang my head because some don't want to believe the information which is provided due to them not liking Bernie.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
94. LOL. You can't point me to a single poll that compares Bernie to every politician in America.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:23 PM
Sep 2017

You can't even show me a recent one that compares him to Joe Biden -- who hasn't ruled himself out for 2020. Neither has John Kerry. So why don't you stop with the hyperbole?

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
75. Bingo.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:55 PM
Sep 2017

And people want to see an end to this endless Bernie vs. Hillary/Dems arguing in this community.

Tiring, frustrating, and deeply costly to the unity of our community.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
49. Funny isn't it?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:44 PM
Sep 2017

That these posters equate the two. Bernie never even got out of the qualifying round, much less win 2 presidential elections by wide margins. But a lot of Bernie supporters have nothing but contempt for President Obama. It's bizarre, but is what it is.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
72. I read it just fine.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:51 PM
Sep 2017

The fact that you would mention Bernie in the same breath with Obama in that context tells me all I need to know.

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #49)

 

CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
57. Did I say he was? No
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:19 PM
Sep 2017

I said dreams do come true, which they do. It's called progress. Just like gay marriage in this country as an example. Just like Obama being elected. Just like us having the ACA. Just like the Berlin wall falling.

Why do you think Bernie won't ever become POTUS? I'm rather curious by this.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
84. To me the question is not whether he can become president but rather what he could expect to
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 04:20 PM
Sep 2017

accomplish if he were to become president.

It is possible that he wins the nomination, in part because he has sold this image of himself as super-electable. And some voters might also be scared that the base of the party won't rally behind the nominee if Sanders is denied again. Finally, he might legitimately impress a lot of voters with his ideas. All of these things could garner him a victory in the primaries.

If Donald Trump is the GOP nominee in 2020 then it is by no means impossible for Bernie to beat him, especially since he is going to do a whole lot more wrong between now and then. I don't think Bernie could have beaten a Republican like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio in 2016. It is not clear what would have happened if he had run against Trump. The GOP would have made up a series of fake scandals about him, and probably would have gotten an assist from the FBI. And he might not have destroyed Trump in the debates the way that Hillary did. So we can't be certain what would have happened. But in 2020 I think he could do it.

The question remains: what would he get done as president? Single payer health care is unlikely to pass. But does he spend all his political capital, and effort, trying, thereby taking away his chance to overhaul our nation's energy economy?

And does having a candidate who calls himself a socialist, albeit a Democratic Socialist, hurt us in some down ballot races? Even if it doesn't hurt us in 2020, does it make these newly elected Democrats more vulnerable in 2022?

bluepen

(620 posts)
42. You asked me and I answered, so: says me.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:35 AM
Sep 2017

I assumed people could have different opinions (though I’d bet my new car on this one).

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
43. I don't think so...I would vote for whoever, the Democratic candidate is. But I don't
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:39 AM
Sep 2017

think he can win. If he runs in the 2020 primaries, it just means more division and maybe the GOP wins... I doubt he will be the candidate...but let me say if he is , he has my vote.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
21. I think we need a new face next time
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:44 AM
Sep 2017

It's been almost a year and some are still fighting 2016. That ship has sailed for better or worse and we need to move forward.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
22. He is my current favorite politician but I was "anybody but Hillary" so I would have supported
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:55 AM
Sep 2017

whoever ran against her in the 2016 primary.

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
32. So you weren't able to vote for Hillary in the general?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:18 AM
Sep 2017

Did you sit it out or vote 3rd party? Then again, you said "anybody but Hillary" so I suppose Trump qualified in your book?

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
24. I love Bernie, but I don't want him to run again.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:00 AM
Sep 2017

I like Hillary, but I don't want her to run again. Same with a long list of the over 65 crowd. New blood! New blood! New blood!

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
101. I'm with you. Younger candidates with younger contacts
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:36 PM
Sep 2017

who will put younger justices on the USSC. Works for me.

Besides, it's going to take a tremendous amount of stamina to start to undo the damage the Republicans are doing to this country.

I'm grateful to Sanders for running last year and articulating what so many of us think about this country. I just hope future candidates were paying attention.

Thirties Child

(543 posts)
28. He will be too old.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:02 AM
Sep 2017

I was a die-hard Sanders fanatic, held my nose to vote for Hillary, but pushing 80 is too old. I'm older than he is--almost seven years older--and I know whereof I speak.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
41. I was pretty solid in Clintons corner.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:59 AM
Sep 2017

I would rather not see her run again.

I like that we have common ground here.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
63. TIL: Unfavorable polls are now an attack.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:33 PM
Sep 2017

Apparently, this was an attack on Hillary too. You really can't make this shit up.

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
56. Read the whole article. It's more of an attack on Hillary than Bernie.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:29 PM
Sep 2017
His numbers are more favorable.

From the article linked in the OP

Seventy-one percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents hold a favorable view of Clinton, with 24 percent viewing her negatively. Sanders holds a similar favorability rating, with 73 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaners rating him positively, and slightly lower unfavorables, with 18 percent rating him negatively. (Among just Democrats, Clinton’s favorability rating is 76 percent, with Sanders at 71 percent.)

Democrats and Democratic leaners say by a 10-point margin, 49 percent to 39 percent, that Clinton was not the party’s best option for a nominee last year. Fourteen percent say she was mostly to blame for Trump’s victory, with 37 percent calling her somewhat at fault, 24 percent saying that she’s not very much at fault, and 16 percent saying that she’s not to blame at all.

Looking forward, just 20 percent want to see Clinton run for president again, but 47 percent say they’d like to see her remain active in politics in other ways, while 23 percent want her to retire. Thirty percent want to see Sanders take another stab at the presidency, with 46 percent preferring him to engage in other facets of politics, and 12 percent wishing he would retire.

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
88. Lots of things are funny, it all depends on one's sense of humor. I have no idea what you find funny
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 05:46 PM
Sep 2017

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
98. I find poll question six funny.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:06 PM
Sep 2017

It's a textbook example of a leading question, and it leads on at least two different levels. It assumes that all respondents will agree with premise that Trump's election was a mistake. It also assumes that the entire set of those blameworthy consists of exactly one named person.

Whoever wrote that question is either devious and cunning, biased to such a degree that he assumes the truth of his own opinion, or really, really stupid.

Data analysis is best left to experts. There's a reason why H. L. Mencken said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."


Autumn

(44,748 posts)
34. From the same article. Only 20 % want to see Clinton run again
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:24 AM
Sep 2017

but 47 percent say they’d like to see her remain active in politics in other ways, while 23 percent want her to retire.

Looking forward, just 20 percent want to see Clinton run for president again, but 47 percent say they’d like to see her remain active in politics in other ways, while 23 percent want her to retire. Thirty percent want to see Sanders take another stab at the presidency, with 46 percent preferring him to engage in other facets of politics, and 12 percent wishing he would retire.

Both the “Clinton wing” and “Sanders wing” of the party ― defined as those who view one of those politicians positively, but the other negatively ― are relatively small. A 54 percent majority of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents view both Clinton and Sanders favorably, according to the poll. Sixteen percent like Sanders but not Clinton, while 12 percent like Clinton, but not Sanders. Another 6 percent hold a negative view of both.

Americans as a whole give Clinton a negative rating, with 52 percent viewing her unfavorably to the 36 percent who rate her favorably. Sanders is seen more positively, with 42 percent of the American public viewing him favorably, and just 37 percent unfavorably.


 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
48. Yah, someone kinda buried the lede there....
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:40 PM
Sep 2017

"CherryPicker_77" as TCJ said above.

Suprising (not suprising) how few posters made mention of any of the rest of that article.

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
54. In their zeal to post a hit piece on Bernie they post a hit piece on Hillary, one
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:23 PM
Sep 2017

that makes her look worse than it does Bernie. You can't make this shit up.

 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
81. Suuuuuure...
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 04:09 PM
Sep 2017

If the post had been headlined "Only 20% of Democrats want Clinton to run again," or contained ANY of the other facts listed in the article, this thread would have been on fire.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
95. You are wrong. There was no point to post a headline like that, because she's nor running again
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:51 PM
Sep 2017

It's only relevant how people who are planning to run poll

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
89. Exactly. And I'll take the actual quantifiable popularity
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 05:53 PM
Sep 2017

measures we all saw -- which was MILLIONS more actual votes than both of her male competitors -- over a sad "poll" with washed up politicians as the alternative choices, lol.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
35. I'm surprised it's as high as 30%
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:40 AM
Sep 2017

I mean, even setting aside his age, why on earth would anyone want him to run again? He'd lose even more badly.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
52. It's a long time until 2020
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:56 PM
Sep 2017

Personally, I think we need to concentrate on getting rid of Trump and stopping the Republican agenda. Who knows at this point WHAT may happen in 2020.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
62. Eh, there's still time for that number to go down before 2020.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:29 PM
Sep 2017

The only person that I want to see running from 2016 is O'Malley and that's just out of courtesy.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
74. I'm a Sanders fan. If he does run, maybe I'll vote for him. But I'd rather we get a different
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 02:54 PM
Sep 2017

candidate. I only want him to run if nobody else picks up that mantle. I'm sure others feel the same way. Given that, I'm not sure how I would have answered the poll. I'm not really sure what we are supposed to take away from it except that only 12 percent actually seem to want him gone from the political scene.
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
103. This is ridiculous. Focus people. We need to win everything between now and 2018
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:19 PM
Sep 2017

It's silly (and divisive) to even be thinking of 2020.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
106. What's silly and divisive is attacking good elected Democrats
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:57 PM
Sep 2017

over bogus purity tests comprised of failed talking points. Focus indeed.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
110. by 2018 we'll see surefire contenders.
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 01:25 AM
Sep 2017

Personally I'd rather he not run again.

of course he can run as an independent if he so wishes.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
111. Most likely, HE doesn't want to run again
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 01:30 AM
Sep 2017

At this point, the guy's just fighting for the causes he supports. Nothing inherently wrong with that, and nothing would be better for progressives if he left the scene.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
121. Agreed...
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 08:53 AM
Sep 2017
Nothing inherently wrong with that,
Agreed... theoretically there's nothing "inherently wrong" in that. Instead... in practice... it's the poor execution and poor choices... and the poor timing, and the attacks, insults, smears on the Democratic party that are the problem. Such things fracture and divide the party. It re-opens old wounds that never heal. It inflames old resentments and reinforces distrust. What good purpose does THAT serve? Such things only serve to weaken the Democratic party and to diminish its leaders in the eyes of voters we'll someday need in order to defeat the GOP.







m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
116. I guess I can understand why you didn't mention Hillary Clinton's poll numbers from that piece
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 07:14 AM
Sep 2017

Since she polls much worse than Bernie!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
120. I think if he was 10-15 years younger, he'd be a frontrunner
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 08:43 AM
Sep 2017

There was a Vox article a while back that made a similar assertion.

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