The Erasing of Hillary Clinton by Bernie Supporters is beginning

[factfinder_77]

We all know by now that millennial progressives who dominate and run the online resources that have become living history on the Internet resent Clinton and adore Bernie Sanders. So much so that they ignore and silence her supporters and, most recently, agitate to silence her when she wrote a book about being first female national candidate for the Democratic ticket.
But did you know there's an effort underway to actually erase her online?

Wikipedia has scheduled Hillary Clinton pages for deletion, which means keeping no past or current copies.
Hillary Clinton's stunningly long list of endorsement page is scheduled for deletion.

Bernie Sanders, her opponent in the primary who lost to her and never made it onto a national ticket, historic or otherwise, didnt have his list of endorsements scheduled for deletion

Bernie's page has been added for deletion only today, in response to the allegation that Clinton's was being unfairly targeted. No other politicians' pages of endorsements has been withdrawn, prior to this.

Note that deleting Bernie's page is not meaningful as his list of endorsements was extremely weak, and nowhere near as stunning and remarkable as Clinton's

Here is a link to the discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_non-political_endorsements,_2016

Seems like the rationales for deletion are
a) twitter is not reliable and
b) endorsements don't matter.

I don't know enough about wikipedia's policy on twitter to comment about a), though I would hope they do the same for other entries. b) seems absolutely absurd and irrelevant.

[Expecting Rain]

1. This is doubleplusungood.

[Warpy]

2. Oh, rubbish. The election is OVER. The primary is LONG OVER.

Deal.

And you think Wikipedia is 100% run by Sanders supporters?

Christ on a cracker.

Yes, they're shortening the article to reflect what is important. Those pages of endorsements were germane to the election. They no longer are..

[oasis]

3. The 2020 Democratic presidential candidate who has Hillary's endorsement

will be the nominee.

[Ken Burch]

4. Wikipedia shouldn't delete her donors list-that said, it's not possible for erase her from history.

She will always be the first female presidential nominee, and will always have high respect and esteem as a result of that.

[Ken Burch]

5. You're STILL framing everything as Hillary vs. Bernie. Why? What's the point?

There is no competition between them going on now. And to gain ground in the next elections, we need the positive support(not just "get the bastard OUT!" support, but support in the belief that voting for us is actually a vote to improve things rather than just minimize damage)of the people who backed both candidates.

Acting as though we should still be deciding between them weakens our chances of doing that.

Also, while NEITHER of them should have anything erased(it's weird that they'd talk about erasing anybody's endorsement lists when they still have endorsement lists for their pages on the 1968 election), it's fairly unlikely that Wikipedia has been taken over by a 'bro editorial conspiracy.

[Me.]

20. We Do Need Good Positive Support

BS' criticism of the Party does not provide this.

[Ken Burch]

21. Bernie could frame some things differently-I've never claimed the guy was infallible.

But we can only bring enough voters to the polls to win in 2018 and 2020 by accepting that the ideas from his campaign and those drawn to that campaign by those ideas need to be part of this party.

And we can include those ideas without betraying anybody who supports us now.

[Me.]

23. Sorry But Not Buying A "Can Only" Argument

and I don't agree with a posture that only promotes an economic message over social justice one when the truth is that without social justice the economics are never going to work out.

[AngryAmish]

6. Whoo boy.

[Voltaire2]

7. please stop.

[Old Vet]

16. Agreed, Enough of these obvious bullshit threads meant only to divide...........

[workinclasszero]

56. Totally agree!

I am sick of these obvious divide and conquer BS posts all over DU!

WTF people!? The last election is OVER!

Can we please for the love of God or anything you happen to hold dear...PLEASE move on and try to get the american voter to back the democrats in 2018?

Do you want your children to live in a hellish republican shaira nightmare state?

2018 is all that matters...F**K the past ITS OVER!!!!

It didn't turn out the way I wanted either but damn lets move on please!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

17. Forget it...

he's rolling.

[elleng]

8. Stop this baloney,

and find other things to post about (if you must post.)

[Ken Burch]

22. Thanks.

n/t.

[Demsrule86]

49. Seriously? you know I like and respect you but how many posts have you started similar to this? nt

[Ken Burch]

60. I haven't come close to claiming that Hillary supporters are trying to erase Bernie from history.

(As to Wikipedia, if what the OP alleges is happening is true, Clinton supporters can join up and fight against that. Wikipedia is participatory, almost any editorial change can be blocked there if a few people object to it).

I don't ascribe collective conspiratorial intent to people who act out of loyalty to HRC.

At most, I've said some wanted to anathemize any ideas connected to his campaign from the party and that doing that could only cost us votes. That was talking about the ideas, not the person.

That is a significantly different statement from this OP.

And I've also frequently suggested dialog groups to teach people from both factions within the party to speak to each other in a more civil way, in part because I acknowledge that some(not all or even most, but some)Sanders supporters have really damaging communications habits.

[R B Garr]

9. Thanks for pointing this out. It's interesting how much her book release has done

to heal Democrats and how threatening that is to some. Go Hillary! I think this book attention can also be harnessed to fight the election results as has been mentioned. That will blaze her in the history books even more!

[Control-Z]

12. Look at the responses on this thread.

There are people here fighting Hillary's relevance.

[tonedevil]

13. Who? /nt

[R B Garr]

15. Yes, I see it and it's the same irrationality. nt

[msongs]

11. I suspect only an infinitesimal number of people care about any of this outside hard core

places like DU, Kos, or the opposition sites as well

[hatrack]

14. Tell me something . . .

I know the FUDMaster 2016 EX 12.5L with Four-Wheel Pander-Tronics isn't cheap.

Did you have to pay up front, or were they able to offer easy credit terms at the dealership?

[ChubbyStar]

25. HooZAhh that made me snort!

Well done hatrack.

[MuseRider]

33. Beautiful!

[Warren DeMontague]

18. those darn millennials again!

[ananda]

19. Craycray news.

Clinton cannot be erased.

Geez.

[sarisataka]

24. We can make you disappear

[HarmonyRockets]

26. It's a conspiracy man

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Just stop it.

[ChubbyStar]

32. Please use that in your next comedy act

It'll be a hit!

[Weekend Warrior]

34. I don't find their rampant sexism to be funny.

Tho they are an easy target.

[Lotusflower70]

29. Hmm

I asked them on Twitter about it, we'll see if I get a response. Hope others ask too.

[democratisphere]

30. The redumbliCONs have spent 30 years trying to erase HRC and failed.

Certainly a lesser force, with a previous failed attempt at erasing HRC, will be even more unsuccessful.

[MuseRider]

31. More from our factfinder, hmmmm

This is hogwash, horse s***, bull s*** and all kinds of other crap. What is your reason or purpose behind this?

Personally I loathe Hillary and have for a very long time. Now I do not have to be in love with someone to support of vote for them and IT WAS NOT THE RUSSIANS that made me feel this way. It was what came out of her very own mouth. Given my tendencies they did not mix.

BUT, Hillary is a very loud and strong and well known woman. Who in the hell can erase her without her own agreement that she be erased? People have been trying to do this to her since she first came out with her health care plan and here she is. You underestimate her resilience and her smarts and her ability to keep up on the top. Why do you underestimate her? Is it just so you can have an enemy? Most grownups do not need an enemy, or they did not used to need one to draw their own ideas about support.

Will you PLEASE stop this crap? Sure there are people who feel the way I do about her and maybe a few want her erased but there are more of us who don't care for her who realize her value. This is simply crazy and should be tossed out with last weeks zoo refuse.

[Trumpocalypse]

35. To quote Bill Maher

“Why do you hate her so much? Were you molested by a real estate lady? I can understand you not wanting Hillary to be president, but I don’t understand anybody who hates her. She is a boring centrist. It just should never rise to the level of hatred.”

[MuseRider]

37. Well, I don't hate her

and my loathing does not make me spend hours and hours thinking of horrible things to say about her. I can adore Bernie and all he stands for but that does not mean I hate her.

Her centrism grates on me, her naming Kissinger as her most trusted advisor (or whatever it was it was as bad as that), those kinds of things make me not like her but I do not hate her. I hate that we cannot have a discussion here anymore because of her supporters.

[Trumpocalypse]

48. Loathe

oathe "lOth loathed loath•ing [ME lothen, fr. OE lAthian to dislike, be hateful, fr. lAth] (12c)
verb transitive
: to dislike greatly and often with disgust or intolerance : detest syn see hate

[MuseRider]

51. Thank you for pointing that out

I have heard and used that term without associating it with hate. She does not disgust me. I am intolerant of some of what she was saying. I do not hate or loathe her. In fact none of this has to do with her personally it has to do with her policies and some of her friends whom she relies on.

I have respect for what she has been able to accomplish and how she has stood up, as a woman, to get where she as gotten.

I appreciate the information. I really should have looked that word up.

[Demit]

53. "or whatever it was it was as bad as that." You can't quite put your finger on it,

but you have this feeling of loathing so it must be from *something* she did that you read about that the writer implied was bad. Not important enough to remember the specifics of, but who needs specifics, right? The writers of all those articles that "raised questions" and "clouds of suspicion" and treated accusations as if they were facts sure didn't.

[MuseRider]

54. I think it specific enough

and I have said on numerous occasions and here in this thread that what I do not like I heard from her, out of her own mouth, her own comments. I do not judge people based on other's comments. I learned long ago that that was a deadly path to take.

Her associations with Kissinger were very worrisome to me. Here is an article. I suspect you already know this, she said it outloud and I doubt you missed it. Here is one article on the comment. She said more and some of it could be taken in other ways but the words that she uses him as an advisor is clear in articles and in what she said. I just picked out the first article since my time is limited but if you wish to follow up you will see others, it was a shocking statement to many people.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/democratic-debate-milwaukee-2016/2016/02/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-219183

This is only one of the problems I had that stopped me from being her supporter. There were quite a lot but I am done defending my own damned right to choose who I supported. I corrected my use of the term loathe, I was truly unaware it was a synonym for hate. It is a term I have heard all my life and was ignorant of the true meaning of the word.

I base my support on who lies closest to what I believe is correct, mostly based on social equality issues but also on all the other issues. I need to feel I can trust who I throw my support behind and Bernie was that person. I respect much about Hillary but was not supportive of her as a candidate.

[Demit]

57. Well, good for you, for brushing up on what the whatever was!

Nobody's asking you to defend your right to choose who to support, just to be able to intelligently explain why. Even here you're vague (there were "quite a lot" of problems you had with her). Although I guess you have a right to be vague as well. A lot of people are, when asked to be specific about Hillary Clinton's supposed transgressions. They talk so animatedly about how there are just so many problems with her! When asked politely, "Oh? What are they?" they switch to talking about something else, like who they can "trust," and we're back to vagueness again.

By the by, I don't have what you've said on numerous occasions memorized. Therefore I don't know what else you heard her say that you didn't like. I guess it'll just stay one of life's mysteries.

[MuseRider]

59. LOL, I just stopped back in the house and see you posted.

I do not mean to be vague to seem to protect myself or to look like I just do not know. Basically it is because I am sick and tired of all of this and the assumption that if you did not like Hillary you must be under Russian influence or something the RW said or this or that and if whatever it was has convinced you then you simply cannot be a real democrat (yes I have seen that posted and it is just absurd). There are real reasons that people on the farther left than Hillary did not support her. Those have been posted ad nauseam for the last year and a half at least. I get bored with it all. I could enumerate them but I am choosing not to because I came in to comment about something and got caught up in this again and it is stupid to keep at it. Trump just threatened to destroy North Korea like he was the Grand Poobah of the UN, we have got to focus.

I am choosing to get out of this now. I made a huge mistake by using the word loathe. My mistake and I got called on it and I apologized because I do not hate her and I felt badly about that and I felt an apology was owed. I respect her I am just not convinced she would be the liberal I would like to see in office.

Have a good day. Hopefully we will all make it through enough days to see Two Scoops removed from office. I think we are all owed the sight of him being led out in cuffs but that is unlikely. It will be enough for a short time not to be jerked this way and that every day.

[m-lekktor]

38. It was amusing at first but now it is getting kinda creeepy.

some of her followers are rather "intense".

[R B Garr]

40. I'm glad Hillary is getting all this positive recognition now that her book

has come out. She doesn't have to go away. Millions of people want to hear from her, and she is energizing Democrats. It's not bad to discuss good Democrats on this board. They don't have to take a back seat to anyone. It's absurd to expect that.

[MuseRider]

41. Not one "real" person that I have read here

expects her to take a back seat. She is who she is and she has moved her life to be at least where she is now, should have been higher. Why can't you just let that shit slide? Nobody, especially on this website, is going to be able to shut her up or make her go away. Nobody. If you see people saying these things and they have Bernie as their avatar or whatever then you KNOW they are not here to discuss anymore than the "Hillary" people who are constantly slinging the silly crap about Bernie are.

There are Bernie people and Hillary people. The rest are trolls and we are getting baited into this argument every single day in the very least, usually off and on all day every day. It is outrageous and I see some people who are maybe a bit on the naive or maybe just new side get pulled into this and it escalates and NOT one damned thing is getting accomplished here. I loved the discussions we used to have, I learned almost all of what I know here but that was all pre 2004 and maybe a little after that. It fell apart so quickly and hard.

As I said, to be perfectly honest, I would not care if she went away because I never wanted her to represent all women. This was my personal feeling. I don't hate her but there are very many things I do not like about her at all. All of them came directly from her, it is just where I fall on the spectrum. Still, I am done answering trolls on the Hillary side. Maybe it would be great if we all stopped responding to complete crap just because it is against or for "our" candidate. It is pretty easy to spot the crap.

Make a comment, drop it in and move on. Can we do that? *****I should say that when misogyny is the issue take them all the way down for that. I do not think everything said against her is misogyny. It is there, oh yes it is, but not everything is about that but when it is take them out.

[R B Garr]

42. The irony is that you have 4 paragraphs here telling *me* to get over it,

which makes me wonder who really has to get over what. I have to say I am envious that you can write so much of your personal animosity about Hillary, because if I tried the same with Sanders, it wouldn't work out.

It's that dynamic that has played out over and over. It doesn't bother me anymore that people try and browbeat me and call me names. I'm over that manipulation, which is apparently what many others feel because they are so happy to see Hillary back and telling her story. It's really not at all surprising that her emergence has caused so many to feel threatened. I see way more lashing out since her book, and if that's the way it is, at least Hillary is speaking for the majority of us who voted for her and the Democrats. It's long overdue.

[MuseRider]

43. Whoa, that is not at all what I thought I said. You do not have

to get over anything! I just sent a PM to you rather than dump it all out here. It would be a little off thread topic so perhaps better that way. We can talk more here on thread too but I have to go for a while. I will look when I get back.

[R B Garr]

45. Thank you! Very much appreciated and I hope I explained myself okay

in response. I have to go, too. Getting ready for a big day tomorrow getting things done.

[MuseRider]

55. You did.

I sent a thank you back, I hope it made sense. It was probably a little groggy sounding as it was late.

Have some fun and enjoy your busy day.

[m-lekktor]

46. I am seeing way more "negative" recognition, tbh!

I personally am glad she is out there showing her true colors for the world to see! for three months!

[Demsrule86]

50. I absolutely get it... I dislike Sen. Sanders and have for quite a while...but he is still a

progressive, and if he was the the Democratic nominee (doubtful for many reasons),I would of course vote for him.

[MuseRider]

52. Thanks.

My word choice was unfortunate and embarrassing since I was unaware that it was actually a synonym for hate. I have no need to like or love someone running for office but I do need to feel comfortable with their values and the way they plan on governing.

[NurseJackie]

36. Yep. One page at a time.

[shanny]

39. oh bullshit

ffs

[hedda_foil]

44. Nonsense. Balderdash,

This post drives a wedge between the halves of Democratic voters. I'm sure that couldn't be your objective.

[HarmonyRockets]

47. Just in case anyone was wondering,

The wikipedia page for Bernie Sanders' endorsements is being considered for deletion as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

[Kentonio]

58. Those darn Hillary bros who run Wikipedia..

[Major Nikon]

62. No doubt it's a false flag

At the last minute they will pull it while HRC's entire wiki presence will be wiped out forever.