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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums66 percent of California residents are opposed to single-payer health care.
opposition increased to 75 percent when those polled were told the price tag for the system might be $179 billion annually which is actually lower than what the new legislative analysis suggests.
And California is a very liberal state last i checked
EDITED to provide link:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-single-payer-healthcare-is-popular-with-1496288584-htmlstory.html
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/survey-finds-three-out-of-four-of-california-voters-are-opposed-to-a-universal-single-payer-health-care-system-300455055.html
The single-payer proposal under consideration in the state Capitol, Senate Bill 562, assumes at least $50 billion in new taxes to fund the healthcare system. Asked about taxes, support drops to 42% of the adults surveyed and 43% of likely voters. While a majority of Democrats in the PPIC poll continued to support the idea if it means more taxes, support drops substantially among unaffiliated "independent" voters.
The survey found:
Eighty-one percent of Californians are satisfied with the timeliness, cost, quality, availability and accessibility of their current health care coverage with 42 percent of respondents saying they are "very satisfied."
A supermajority (66 percent) opposes legislation establishing universal single payer universal health care with 44 percent strongly opposing the legislative proposal.
When learning about the facts about universal single payer health care, different age groups, demographics and ethnic backgrounds all share opposition to a government run system.
Of the minority who favor single payer universal healthcare:
Seventy-five percent become less likely to support it knowing the cost to Californians in new taxes.
Seventy-four percent of California voters are less likely to support knowing it eliminates employer paid health coverage.
Seventy-two percent of those polled become less likely to support knowing it will reduce health care quality and hinder medical advancement.
The Senate Health Committee has approved the measure without specifying where money to fund the program would come from. The state would pay for all residents, and cover doctor visits, hospitalization, emergency services, dental, vision, mental health and nursing home care. The bill would also take the all funding from Medicare and all Medicare Advantage plans.
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)leftstreet
(36,101 posts)Thanks for going back a whole week to answer my question
So thoughtful of you
roamer65
(36,744 posts)Please provide it.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)edhopper
(33,491 posts)they will no longer be paying for health cost except from taxes, which will be lower than what they pay now for health care?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)PatrickforO
(14,561 posts)Words matter.
Healthcare matters.
We should have it.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Those of us with Medicare pay premiums for it. It is basically our insurance company.
janterry
(4,429 posts)but we have to educate people that there are financial benefits.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/05/24/single-payer-california-can-we-afford-it-can-we-afford-not
MuseRider
(34,095 posts)Still no link. You need to post a link before anyone can even discuss this.
factfinder_77
(841 posts)rog
(648 posts)How about an actual impartial, unbiased news source to support your BS?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PR_Newswire
"PR Newswire is a distributor of press releases based in New York City. The service was created in 1954 to allow companies to electronically send press releases to news organizations ..."
http://prnewswire.mediaroom.com/index.php
"PR Newswire ... is the premier global provider of multimedia platforms and distribution that marketers, corporate communicators, sustainability officers, public affairs and investor relations officers leverage to engage key audiences. ... PR Newswire today provides end-to-end solutions to produce, optimize and target content -- and then distribute and measure results."
Re: CAHU and CAHUPAC
"Its mission is to facilitate, with strategically targeted political contributions, the legislative and advocacy program of CAHU with a primary emphasis on supporting the role of the agent in the delivery of private health insurance."
From your link above, "Despite the current growing call for a single payer system, the survey commissioned by the California Association of Health Underwriters (CAHU) showed a supermajority of California voters opposed the creation of government run health care when they learn of the associated cost burden to families."
I would like to see how the question(s) in the 'survey' were worded.
.rog.
demmiblue
(36,824 posts)Quixote1818
(28,921 posts)bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)Among those who see a government responsibility to provide health coverage for all, more now say it should be provided through a single health insurance system run by the government, rather than through a mix of private companies and government programs. Overall, 33% of the public now favors such a single payer approach to health insurance, up 5 percentage points since January and 12 points since 2014.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)I don't believe the people really support MFA or single payer whatever you call it...the support is soft. I want to run on fixing the ACA and adding a public option and lower the Medicare age to 55 which could be done in reconciliation if we save the ACA. THis is the path forward that will achieve universal coverage within 10 years.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It was done in pieces until the opponents saw they were fools to support it.
You want a system that will cover people that can't afford healthcare, then draw in employers who give up their plan and pay into a national plan for their employees, once the employer health plan rock falls, the momentum to universal coverage will be unstoppable.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)already been written or put into another bill.
Quixote1818
(28,921 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,488 posts)Either directly or the issues he supports. Interesting that a poster on DU would be going to RW sites for ammunition. Hmmmm ...
factfinder_77
(841 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,488 posts)The "facts" you make your claim on come from a pr release. I would say that - more than anyone on this board - you are the one with an agenda.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The institution that conducted the survey is 100% insurance companys. And won't even post the poll breakdown on their site.
factfinder_77
(841 posts)"The single payer universal health care law would force Californians to hand over at least $179 billion in new state taxes to pay for a health care system run by the State of California. That translates to costing each California taxpayer $9,100 per year," said CAHU President Richard Coburn. "This new policy would eliminate employer paid health coverage and shifts health costs to employees."
The survey found:
Eighty-one percent of Californians are satisfied with the timeliness, cost, quality, availability and accessibility of their current health care coverage with 42 percent of respondents saying they are "very satisfied."
A supermajority (66 percent) opposes legislation establishing universal single payer universal health care with 44 percent strongly opposing the legislative proposal.
When learning about the facts about universal single payer health care, different age groups, demographics and ethnic backgrounds all share opposition to a government run system.
Of the minority who favor single payer universal healthcare:
Seventy-five percent become less likely to support it knowing the cost to Californians in new taxes.
Seventy-four percent of California voters are less likely to support knowing it eliminates employer paid health coverage.
Seventy-two percent of those polled become less likely to support knowing it will reduce health care quality and hinder medical advancement.
The Senate Health Committee has approved the measure without specifying where money to fund the program would come from. The state would pay for all residents, and cover doctor visits, hospitalization, emergency services, dental, vision, mental health and nursing home care. The bill would also take the all funding from Medicare and all Medicare Advantage plans.
Quixote1818
(28,921 posts)Considering PEW Research shows the majority of American's are for it your link is very suspicious. How would California support be way lower than national support? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/new-poll-70-percent-of-californians-support-ca-medicare-for-all-bill/
Quixote1818
(28,921 posts)Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)be promoting it. The Pew poll would not have a disproportionate number of California voters in it. Thus it does not have any impact on whether the OP poll is accurate.
Bradshaw3
(7,488 posts)It's a PR release from a lobbying group (CAHU) "committed to preserving the private delivery of Health Insurance." CAHU represents insurance brokers and agents, i.e., they have a vested interest in keeping health care FOR PROFIT.
So what are you doing on a site dedicated to Democratic principles such as a social safety net that includes healthcare? Trolling? Are you paid by the CAHU group?
ProfessorGAC
(64,877 posts)Given the depth of coverage in CA today, that outlay of money is offset, person to person, household to household, by a reduction in what they're paying today for health coverage.
There such things as negative numbers, you know.
Regurgitating insurance company PR is hardly a sound approach to making friends and influencing people at a site like DU.
Demsrule86
(68,504 posts)conducted the poll. I provided a link to PR newswire which is not what you describe.
"Survey Finds Three out of Four of California Voters are Opposed to a Universal Single Payer Health Care System
(PRNewsfoto/California Association of Healt)
NEWS PROVIDED BY
California Association of Health Underwriters (CAHU) "
May 10, 2017, 15:00 ET
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/survey-finds-three-out-of-four-of-california-voters-are-opposed-to-a-universal-single-payer-health-care-system-300455055.html
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I imagine the reason is that most here have employer-provided insurance and judging from my own (Kaiser) it's pretty good.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Because you seem to go after single-payer health care (and every possible variation) like it was your job.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)Iggo
(47,537 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Thread winner...
tymorial
(3,433 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,959 posts)penny wise, pound foolish.
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MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)Including it, then ignoring what it states, while pasting reams of content from an insurance biased source. Don't know how their survey questions were worded, but I could make a good guess.
Meanwhile from the LA Times article:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-single-payer-healthcare-is-popular-with-1496288584-htmlstory.html
Almost two of every three Californians in a new statewide poll said they like the idea of a single-payer, government healthcare system, but far fewer support the idea if it includes a tax increase.
The poll released Wednesday night by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California found that 65% of adults surveyed support the creation of a single-payer state healthcare program to cover all of the state's residents, and 56% of likely voters approved of the idea. Opinion was sharply divided between Democrats (75% support) and Republicans (66% oppose) who were surveyed.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)It is too easy to just assume about everything that comes out of their piehole is lie or in some other way just a false-hood
The A-holes that will be hurt the worst (larger corporations) always cry foul when someone threatens to upset their apple cart and single payer would be a big one for them.
And then there is the new buzz word 'fake news' which most right wing rags engage in and exploit as much as possible. Then later ring that same monkey up every time they notice something they don't like.
Same ole crap, different day
Ten years ago I would have never believed the gop would be as vulgar and blatant as they are now, it's just amazing really
(end venting)