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factfinder_77

(841 posts)
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:39 PM Sep 2017

66 percent of California residents are opposed to single-payer health care.

opposition increased to 75 percent when those polled were told the price tag for the system might be $179 billion annually — which is actually lower than what the new legislative analysis suggests.

And California is a very liberal state last i checked

EDITED to provide link:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-single-payer-healthcare-is-popular-with-1496288584-htmlstory.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/survey-finds-three-out-of-four-of-california-voters-are-opposed-to-a-universal-single-payer-health-care-system-300455055.html

The single-payer proposal under consideration in the state Capitol, Senate Bill 562, assumes at least $50 billion in new taxes to fund the healthcare system. Asked about taxes, support drops to 42% of the adults surveyed and 43% of likely voters. While a majority of Democrats in the PPIC poll continued to support the idea if it means more taxes, support drops substantially among unaffiliated "independent" voters.


The survey found:

Eighty-one percent of Californians are satisfied with the timeliness, cost, quality, availability and accessibility of their current health care coverage with 42 percent of respondents saying they are "very satisfied."
A supermajority (66 percent) opposes legislation establishing universal single payer universal health care with 44 percent strongly opposing the legislative proposal.
When learning about the facts about universal single payer health care, different age groups, demographics and ethnic backgrounds all share opposition to a government run system.

Of the minority who favor single payer universal healthcare:

Seventy-five percent become less likely to support it knowing the cost to Californians in new taxes.
Seventy-four percent of California voters are less likely to support knowing it eliminates employer paid health coverage.
Seventy-two percent of those polled become less likely to support knowing it will reduce health care quality and hinder medical advancement.
The Senate Health Committee has approved the measure without specifying where money to fund the program would come from. The state would pay for all residents, and cover doctor visits, hospitalization, emergency services, dental, vision, mental health and nursing home care. The bill would also take the all funding from Medicare and all Medicare Advantage plans.

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66 percent of California residents are opposed to single-payer health care. (Original Post) factfinder_77 Sep 2017 OP
Do you have a link? Thank you n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #1
you put the first sentence in Google...and voila! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #38
Wow leftstreet Sep 2017 #40
Source? roamer65 Sep 2017 #2
I provided a link...it gives all the info in the OP. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #39
And are they told edhopper Sep 2017 #3
Another one pangaia Sep 2017 #4
Source tenderfoot Sep 2017 #5
That's because they said 'single payer' instead of Medicare for all, which polls better. PatrickforO Sep 2017 #6
Can you explain how Medicare is the same as single payer? wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #20
Healthcare is expensive janterry Sep 2017 #7
Where did you find this fact oh factfinder? MuseRider Sep 2017 #8
California Association of Health Underwriters (CAHU) factfinder_77 Sep 2017 #15
Prnewswire is NOT a news source -- it is a distributor of press releases. This is pr from ins cos. rog Sep 2017 #18
Trash thread. n/t demmiblue Sep 2017 #9
That's odd since PEW Research shows 60% of the country is for it Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #10
It does? From your link: bornskeptic Sep 2017 #16
This only polled Californians...I looked at it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #41
That is basically how Canada got universal care. Blue_true Sep 2017 #43
The GOP will pass a bill that will make it illegal to have single payer at the state level...it has Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44
The OP's source is Reason.com (right wing) that's why there is no link. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #11
Interesting. Seems to be obsessed with attacking a certain person Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #12
Are you gonna deny facts because it suits someones agenda ? factfinder_77 Sep 2017 #14
What "facts" and what agenda are you talking about Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #24
You are Lordquinton Sep 2017 #33
Seriously.... factfinder_77 Sep 2017 #13
New Poll 70% of Californians Support CA Medicare for All Bill Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #22
Whoops, wrong person. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #35
you say that because you don't agree with the poll...if it supported your view, you would Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45
Your "survey facts" are a con Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #25
Math Not Your Strong Suit? ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #31
That is untrue...you should amend this post. The California association of health underwriters Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #42
Rec ucrdem Sep 2017 #17
Do you work for an insurance company? Nevernose Sep 2017 #19
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #29
You're on a roll! Iggo Sep 2017 #21
You're so funny. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #23
LOLOL halibut!! pangaia Sep 2017 #26
I am so stealing that. tymorial Sep 2017 #27
ow much does the current system cost america in lost wages & less competitive in the marketplace? pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #30
Bullshit. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #32
The LA Times article you cite shows voters, esp. Democrats, in favor. You distort that fact by suffragette Sep 2017 #34
Har har har..... maybe I change my handle to 'B.S.Finder" in the near future! nolabels Sep 2017 #36
Nope Man_Bear_Pig Sep 2017 #37
What was the poll, from the other day, that stated only 18% of Democrats are against it? TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #46

edhopper

(33,491 posts)
3. And are they told
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:42 PM
Sep 2017

they will no longer be paying for health cost except from taxes, which will be lower than what they pay now for health care?

PatrickforO

(14,561 posts)
6. That's because they said 'single payer' instead of Medicare for all, which polls better.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:45 PM
Sep 2017

Words matter.

Healthcare matters.

We should have it.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
20. Can you explain how Medicare is the same as single payer?
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:09 PM
Sep 2017

Those of us with Medicare pay premiums for it. It is basically our insurance company.

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
8. Where did you find this fact oh factfinder?
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:50 PM
Sep 2017

Still no link. You need to post a link before anyone can even discuss this.

rog

(648 posts)
18. Prnewswire is NOT a news source -- it is a distributor of press releases. This is pr from ins cos.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:49 PM
Sep 2017

How about an actual impartial, unbiased news source to support your BS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PR_Newswire

"PR Newswire is a distributor of press releases based in New York City. The service was created in 1954 to allow companies to electronically send press releases to news organizations ..."

http://prnewswire.mediaroom.com/index.php

"PR Newswire ... is the premier global provider of multimedia platforms and distribution that marketers, corporate communicators, sustainability officers, public affairs and investor relations officers leverage to engage key audiences. ... PR Newswire today provides end-to-end solutions to produce, optimize and target content -- and then distribute and measure results."

Re: CAHU and CAHUPAC

"Its mission is to facilitate, with strategically targeted political contributions, the legislative and advocacy program of CAHU with a primary emphasis on supporting the role of the agent in the delivery of private health insurance."

From your link above, "Despite the current growing call for a single payer system, the survey commissioned by the California Association of Health Underwriters (CAHU) showed a supermajority of California voters opposed the creation of government run health care when they learn of the associated cost burden to families."

I would like to see how the question(s) in the 'survey' were worded.

.rog.

bornskeptic

(1,330 posts)
16. It does? From your link:
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:18 PM
Sep 2017

Among those who see a government responsibility to provide health coverage for all, more now say it should be provided through a single health insurance system run by the government, rather than through a mix of private companies and government programs. Overall, 33% of the public now favors such a “single payer” approach to health insurance, up 5 percentage points since January and 12 points since 2014.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
41. This only polled Californians...I looked at it.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 01:50 PM
Sep 2017

I don't believe the people really support MFA or single payer whatever you call it...the support is soft. I want to run on fixing the ACA and adding a public option and lower the Medicare age to 55 which could be done in reconciliation if we save the ACA. THis is the path forward that will achieve universal coverage within 10 years.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
43. That is basically how Canada got universal care.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:13 PM
Sep 2017

It was done in pieces until the opponents saw they were fools to support it.

You want a system that will cover people that can't afford healthcare, then draw in employers who give up their plan and pay into a national plan for their employees, once the employer health plan rock falls, the momentum to universal coverage will be unstoppable.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
44. The GOP will pass a bill that will make it illegal to have single payer at the state level...it has
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:52 AM
Sep 2017

already been written or put into another bill.

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
12. Interesting. Seems to be obsessed with attacking a certain person
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:05 PM
Sep 2017

Either directly or the issues he supports. Interesting that a poster on DU would be going to RW sites for ammunition. Hmmmm ...

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
24. What "facts" and what agenda are you talking about
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:18 PM
Sep 2017

The "facts" you make your claim on come from a pr release. I would say that - more than anyone on this board - you are the one with an agenda.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
33. You are
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:20 PM
Sep 2017

The institution that conducted the survey is 100% insurance companys. And won't even post the poll breakdown on their site.

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
13. Seriously....
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:10 PM
Sep 2017
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/survey-finds-three-out-of-four-of-california-voters-are-opposed-to-a-universal-single-payer-health-care-system-300455055.html

"The single payer universal health care law would force Californians to hand over at least $179 billion in new state taxes to pay for a health care system run by the State of California. That translates to costing each California taxpayer $9,100 per year," said CAHU President Richard Coburn. "This new policy would eliminate employer paid health coverage and shifts health costs to employees."

The survey found:

Eighty-one percent of Californians are satisfied with the timeliness, cost, quality, availability and accessibility of their current health care coverage with 42 percent of respondents saying they are "very satisfied."
A supermajority (66 percent) opposes legislation establishing universal single payer universal health care with 44 percent strongly opposing the legislative proposal.
When learning about the facts about universal single payer health care, different age groups, demographics and ethnic backgrounds all share opposition to a government run system.

Of the minority who favor single payer universal healthcare:

Seventy-five percent become less likely to support it knowing the cost to Californians in new taxes.
Seventy-four percent of California voters are less likely to support knowing it eliminates employer paid health coverage.
Seventy-two percent of those polled become less likely to support knowing it will reduce health care quality and hinder medical advancement.
The Senate Health Committee has approved the measure without specifying where money to fund the program would come from. The state would pay for all residents, and cover doctor visits, hospitalization, emergency services, dental, vision, mental health and nursing home care. The bill would also take the all funding from Medicare and all Medicare Advantage plans.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
45. you say that because you don't agree with the poll...if it supported your view, you would
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:56 AM
Sep 2017

be promoting it. The Pew poll would not have a disproportionate number of California voters in it. Thus it does not have any impact on whether the OP poll is accurate.

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
25. Your "survey facts" are a con
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:25 PM
Sep 2017

It's a PR release from a lobbying group (CAHU) "committed to preserving the private delivery of Health Insurance." CAHU represents insurance brokers and agents, i.e., they have a vested interest in keeping health care FOR PROFIT.

So what are you doing on a site dedicated to Democratic principles such as a social safety net that includes healthcare? Trolling? Are you paid by the CAHU group?

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
31. Math Not Your Strong Suit?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:12 AM
Sep 2017

Given the depth of coverage in CA today, that outlay of money is offset, person to person, household to household, by a reduction in what they're paying today for health coverage.

There such things as negative numbers, you know.

Regurgitating insurance company PR is hardly a sound approach to making friends and influencing people at a site like DU.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
42. That is untrue...you should amend this post. The California association of health underwriters
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 01:55 PM
Sep 2017

conducted the poll. I provided a link to PR newswire which is not what you describe.

"Survey Finds Three out of Four of California Voters are Opposed to a Universal Single Payer Health Care System
(PRNewsfoto/California Association of Healt)
NEWS PROVIDED BY
California Association of Health Underwriters (CAHU) "
May 10, 2017, 15:00 ET

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/survey-finds-three-out-of-four-of-california-voters-are-opposed-to-a-universal-single-payer-health-care-system-300455055.html

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. Rec
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:19 PM
Sep 2017

I imagine the reason is that most here have employer-provided insurance and judging from my own (Kaiser) it's pretty good.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
19. Do you work for an insurance company?
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:55 PM
Sep 2017

Because you seem to go after single-payer health care (and every possible variation) like it was your job.

pansypoo53219

(20,959 posts)
28. ow much does the current system cost america in lost wages & less competitive in the marketplace?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:56 AM
Sep 2017

penny wise, pound foolish.

Response to factfinder_77 (Original post)

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
34. The LA Times article you cite shows voters, esp. Democrats, in favor. You distort that fact by
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:00 PM
Sep 2017

Including it, then ignoring what it states, while pasting reams of content from an insurance biased source. Don't know how their survey questions were worded, but I could make a good guess.

Meanwhile from the LA Times article:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-single-payer-healthcare-is-popular-with-1496288584-htmlstory.html

Almost two of every three Californians in a new statewide poll said they like the idea of a single-payer, government healthcare system, but far fewer support the idea if it includes a tax increase.

The poll released Wednesday night by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California found that 65% of adults surveyed support the creation of a single-payer state healthcare program to cover all of the state's residents, and 56% of likely voters approved of the idea. Opinion was sharply divided between Democrats (75% support) and Republicans (66% oppose) who were surveyed.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
36. Har har har..... maybe I change my handle to 'B.S.Finder" in the near future!
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 01:39 PM
Sep 2017

It is too easy to just assume about everything that comes out of their piehole is lie or in some other way just a false-hood

The A-holes that will be hurt the worst (larger corporations) always cry foul when someone threatens to upset their apple cart and single payer would be a big one for them.

And then there is the new buzz word 'fake news' which most right wing rags engage in and exploit as much as possible. Then later ring that same monkey up every time they notice something they don't like.

Same ole crap, different day

Ten years ago I would have never believed the gop would be as vulgar and blatant as they are now, it's just amazing really

(end venting)

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