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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOsteen rep lying furiously on CNN -- claiming all that water "drained away" since MONDAY and
that the church "always" had its doors open and that they were "sheltering" people the whole time. Erin Burnett asked how many people were there during and immediately after the storm, and Osteen's rep was talking as quickly as possible and not answering questions. He then said there were maybe ten people there sheltering during the storm and that "some" of them were maintenance workers there to watch the building.
Now he is claiming they have "busloads" of people there (no photos of the people supposedly there now) -- then Erin asked how many, again -- and he replied two or three busloads (and then more blathering about not being designated a "shelter" by the government, etc etc).
The "lying" bit in the title of my post is my feeling about this -- their story is NOT believable.
Osteen couldn't even be bothered to phone in himself? The answers should be very easy if they are true...
Skittles
(153,261 posts)it is sickening how many people believe in his utter bullshit
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)"God: You take these answers and give them to Reverend Big Mouth and you say that God says he's a phony. And also tell him, if he wants to get rich, fine, tell him to sell earth shoes. But, personally, tell him, I'd like him to shut up."
irisblue
(33,047 posts)excellent Zotting!
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(4,100 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)Plus lots of makeup.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)a woman should model herself as cheap whore.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)She and her husband Paul (both now deceased) founded TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network).
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Lovely Orange County at their mega church when they were neck deep in Trinity Broadcast Network I could tell you a story....what a doozy...it is too naughty to post here but PM me if you want to hear it.
volstork
(5,403 posts)with the enormous pink hair? I would LOVE to hear that story....
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Give me a minute and I will send you a PM.
volstork
(5,403 posts)Yes, she looks VERY righteous. (self-righteous, that is...)
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)look honey she put her wig in the washing machine with all her pink clothes
DangerousRhythm
(2,916 posts)That woman haunted my nightmares for a while.
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... that disclaimer and not tell the story! You have seriously piqued my curiosity. We can handle naughty around here. We deal in Trump stories everyday.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Is this 9/22/2004 Los Angeles Times article related to what you know?
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/22/local/me-tbn22
A former Trinity Broadcasting Network employee who was paid $425,000 to keep quiet about his claims of a homosexual tryst with televangelist Paul Crouch has disclosed details of his complaint, saying that he had felt forced to engage in the alleged sexual acts to keep his job.
Enoch Lonnie Ford, 41, said he was going public with his story because he believes TBN officials breached a confidentiality agreement that was part of a 1998 settlement that provided the payment to him. Network officials broke the agreement, he contends, by issuing a statement last week responding to a news account of the ministry's legal effort to silence him. TBN's statement described the circumstances of the settlement and highlighted Ford's criminal background.
Crouch, 70, is president and popular on-air personality of Orange County-based TBN, the world's largest religious broadcaster.
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Or perhaps it's found in this 6/5/2017 Orange County Register article:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ocregister.com/2017/06/05/jury-awards-2-million-to-granddaughter-of-trinity-broadcast-network-founders-in-personal-injury-case/amp/
Granddaughter who alleged rape cover-up is awarded $2 million in Trinity Broadcasting Network lawsuit
An Orange County jury Monday, June 5 awarded $2 million in damages to the granddaughter of late televangelist Jan Crouch, finding that the minister acted outrageously when she blamed and berated her 13-year-old granddaughter after the girl told her she had been sexually assaulted by a church employee.
The jury deliberated nearly eight hours before determining that Jan Crouch, who co-founded the Trinity Broadcasting Network empire with her late husband Paul, caused her granddaughter Carra Crouch, now 24, years of emotional pain and suffering.
The judgment was $1 million for past emotional damage, and $1 million for future pain and suffering.
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ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Awful people Paul and Jan, although my interaction was directly with her.
trof
(54,256 posts)jmowreader
(50,580 posts)Google "pictures of Victoria Osteen." Her hair, makeup and clothes are very much like Melania Trump's. She isn't doing the Jan Crouch/Tammy Faye Bakker thing.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I don't think that Osteen is a man of God. I see him as a motivational speaker who pretends to be Christian in order to get tax breaks.
What does whether a person is an atheist or not have to do with this?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)Osteen pretends to be a Christian while failing to do what Jesus commanded - I see a guy who lives like a king instead of giving his material possessions to the poor. If he's ever read Matthew 25 he sure doesn't pay it any mind.
Skittles
(153,261 posts)it doesn't take an atheist to spot a con man
so sorry you cannot see through him
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But I am a Deist. If I wanted to buy snakeoil, I will find a real snake that sells it. Osteen is the type that if I meet on ANY car lot, I get away from ASAP.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)I wouldn't buy a used car from Osteen. He reminds me of a carnival barker.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,031 posts)frequent flyer here.
KelleyKramer
(9,006 posts)I see what you did there
Heh ha!
Maven
(10,533 posts)What does that have to do with it?
(Skittles, I am not being presumptuous and I see that you have already replied stating that you are not. Just don't understand what being an atheist or not has to do with the credibility of your statement. So pls do not schedule me for an ass-kicking, thx )
irisblue
(33,047 posts)and there is nothing wrong with being an atheist.
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AnotherMother4Peace
(4,260 posts)and accepts money so that he can help and minister to his flock. The evidence indicates he turned his back on desperate people. I'm very upset about that.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,260 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)why bother with your post?
Go find the details instead.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)The lying fake Christian grifter piece of shit.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)total lying, money-grubbing creep.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)They are all worse than the others..
FSogol
(45,579 posts)helps out at the food bank or women's shelter and doesn't have a $10 million dollar home, private helicopter, and luxury jet.
Iggo
(47,586 posts)He's better than the others.
At least he's better at being a goddam'd human being.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/houston-pastor-checks-cars-submerged-in-floodwaters-to-make-sure-no-one-is-inside/
FSogol
(45,579 posts)catbyte
(34,517 posts)ill-gotten gravy train to derail, so he had to do something, anything to stop the bleeding. He's so vile. I just can't understand why people fall for that bullshit.
Skittles
(153,261 posts)he is a fucking con man
he wants to make money off people, not spend money on them
fuck him
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Thank you.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)TlalocW
(15,393 posts)Holy shit... I stand to lose millions and millions of dollars if I don't take the hit of having all the utilities on and having to replace $30,000 on carpet, most likely. OPEN THE DOORS!
TlalocW
applegrove
(118,880 posts)had had 8 feet of water in it during hurricain Allison (before the Osteen's bought the building).
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)gates were/are barely resisting a massive amount of water. This is what he claimed. He was deliberately evasive. It was obvious. Same with the uh...uh...one or two or three busses now...uh...
applegrove
(118,880 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)storm sewers open (storm sewers flowing TO the bayous-not backing up)can clear out flooded lower level parking areas.
They were lucky, could have been much, much worse, if say a tornado touched down or the storm sewers were over whelmed and couldn't drain the parking garages.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The emergency schools have moved out the homeless to convention center and SECONDARY volunteer places like Olsteins church.
Solly Mack
(90,798 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)convention center overflow. convention center is at 10,000 max. so they bus some to places like olsteins church.
Initially public schools were used all over Houston area for immediate emergency shelters.
I have to say the Mayor and chief of police were and are now AWESOME. on tv 2- 24/7 directing where to shelter people. Management flow of people homeless is excellent.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)than the people or his "flock." This has nothing to do with Houston officials. Osteen could have stepped in all by his wealthy and powerful self. He didn't until he was called out publicly in a big way on twitter.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The convention center is now at 10k and people are being bused to places like the church.
Skittles
(153,261 posts)fuck that con man piece of shit
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Thank Obama for the emergency disaster planning policies they put in place over past 8 years. WORKS VERY WELL.
Skittles
(153,261 posts)that piece of shit Osteen should have stepped up to the plate immediately
alas, the only plate he is interested in is the one that gets passed around
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)least they did_coordinate_with disaster plans & open their doors and collect a lot of disaster items.
He's really a public figure around Houston just like 'mattress mack'. The church did flood in parking garage and no buses could have made it to the mega church as streets to church were impassable FRI-SAT-SUNDAY. Even the sunday church was canceled because of flooding.
Skittles
(153,261 posts)EDUCATE YOURSELF...the man had to be SHAMED into helping...after LYING about why they weren't helping.....that is FUCKED UP
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/08/29/heres-why-people-hate-joel-osteen/?utm_term=.c47ae91e6115
http://www.wlky.com/article/houston-residents-ask-joel-osteen-to-open-lakewood-church-for-harvey-flooding-victims/12113547
http://www.totalprosports.com/2017/08/29/ex-espns-sean-salisbury-exposes-joel-osteen-for-lying-about-being-able-to-house-houston-flood-victims-video/
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)good night, coffee is finally wearing off.
Skittles
(153,261 posts)because, like Trump, he is able to fool a LOT OF PEOPLE
Wednesdays
(17,462 posts)... just as soon as officials announced that the convention centers were exhausted.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Our Obama admin made several disaster plans upgrades over the past 8 years, Federal government coordinating with states and LOCAL governments. like public schools first emergency shelters...move to convention center...then move overflow people to places local to their neighborhoods like Lakewood church, GM center, many other local churches and large stores (not flood or storm damaged)
The plans were excellent and are currently working very well for Houston. Mayor of Houston/local police even have a curfew now to reduce any looting problems from all the empty homes.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)Red Sea will believe this story. (and sadly, this is probably true).
Golden Raisin
(4,614 posts)so fast your head would spin.
Best_man23
(4,914 posts)Then let him go up to the trillions of gallons of water flooding Houston and let him touch the water. We'll see whose better at estimating when the water will finally recede, the Army Corps of Engineers or Osteen.
Osteen=Con Man
BigmanPigman
(51,649 posts)Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)God be damned, he wants money.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)if it did drain? From the videos I saw there was nothing that left any mark or debris.
Just a little skeptical.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)MrPurple
(985 posts)They only think there's busloads of people there because most of the people who follow them grew up riding the really short buses.
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)... that prostitution is NOT the world's oldest profession, pimping God to the ignorant and fearful is!
JoJo
kimbutgar
(21,240 posts)He is just another christofascist fleecing happy people of their money.
Duppers
(28,130 posts)To continue the lying.
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)to anyone of any faith.
But God wants you to give more money to Joel tax free before you can get your blessings.
qanda
(10,422 posts)You would need a restoration place to come in and clean it up to prevent mold and other problems. Not believing what they're trying to sell.
musette_sf
(10,208 posts)those were photos of the underground parking. I went to the (former) Summit for several concerts back in the day, and I know what the underground part of the parking garage looks like. Flooding in the underground parking area has ZERO to do with access to the facility itself.
From a Texas Monthly article from 1977: "The exterior of the Summit, with attractive landscaping and underground parking, is a welcome departure from most sports arenas."
BUSTED
AllyCat
(16,259 posts)And asked them what was odd about the photo. The first thing they shake was the water would go downstairs but it was dry in the picture. Photo shop!!
lpbk2713
(42,772 posts)I'm sure they would rather go home to their families over watching any damn building. Or were they told if they wanted their job they would have to stay?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The pay is great as well. I used to work at medical center, double pay plus bonus, all you can eat and paid to sleep or play cards all night (If nothing happens)
Oneironaut
(5,538 posts)The rest of the city was full of heathens. God wants them to die. Just like how God gives Osteen millions of dollars per year, and keeps money from those Satanic poor people!
kentuck
(111,111 posts)These big church frauds that pay no taxes.