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It's just there
NRaleighLiberal
(60,035 posts)malaise
(269,282 posts)BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
743 PM CDT SAT AUG 26 2017
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LAKE CHARLES HAS ISSUED A
* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHWESTERN CAMERON PARISH IN SOUTHWESTERN LOUISIANA..
hlthe2b
(102,519 posts)It is pretty amazing in a very negative kind of way...
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Allison. I didn't think that thing would ever move.
malaise
(269,282 posts)Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Turns out it made landfall in Texas on June 5, stalled in Lufkin on the 7th, and went back into the Gulf overnight on the 9th/10th. Then it hit Louisiana on the 11th and finally broke up around Newfoundland on the 18th. Those four days around Houston were something else. I understand it was the first storm to be retired without hitting hurricane strength just because of the way it stalled and dumped water for days.
malaise
(269,282 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,251 posts)It just rained and rained, and it came down so fast! Houston is flat a pancake. The water had nowhere to go.
calimary
(81,594 posts)I'm just amazed by the current storm. I saw two side-by-side shots on one of the channels - a photo from space of Katrina next to a similar shot of Harvey. They looked identical. Scary!
I was living in New York City during the summer when Hurricane David roared up the East Coast. VERY scary to be about 20 floors up and looking down at these wide "sheets" of wind and rain sweeping through the canyon-like deserted streets of midtown Manhattan. It was a humbling experience. You definitely got the sense of something WAY more powerful than you are.
OneBlueDotBama
(1,386 posts)High pressure to the north and a Bermuda high to the east and south east... system stalled and dumped freezing rain for days and days. Some folks had no power for a month and when the system finally moved east, the temps dropped hard, not a good thing to have everything covered in ice and no power in freezing termps.
malaise
(269,282 posts)Will check it out
OneBlueDotBama
(1,386 posts)malaise
(269,282 posts)Will read about this tomorrow
Warpy
(111,440 posts)Montreal is prone to heavy ice storms, but this one broke all records because it sat there and wouldn't budge. The ice ended up four inches thick, collapsed roofs and whole buildings and brought the city to a complete standstill. Lots of people in the province froze to death and hospitals were full of people who had fallen when they'd run out of food and had to go out.
I barely heard about it here in NM.
GoCubsGo
(32,102 posts)The images I most remember were those of the big, metal towers that support high tension electrical lines. One right after another were collapsed as if they were made of drinking straws. One of the cable channels (either The Weather Channel or Discovery) ran a documentary about the storm a few years later. The damage was just shocking.
jpak
(41,760 posts)Stuart G
(38,458 posts)Didn't Katrina sit for a day or so over New Orleans?...
malaise
(269,282 posts)That's a lot of time
was slow moving, but it didn't camp out like this one is doing.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)2004 Ivan parked as a cat 5 over GT Cayman for 12 hours.
malaise
(269,282 posts)We still marvel that Ivan missed us - it was supposed to go right through Jamaica but just brushed our south east and south coasts. We lost power for two days so we only heard about poor Cayman via radio.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)This closely follows the solar eclipse. If Trump has any sense he will resign immediately.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)It was either around the July 4th or Labor day holiday. It was right off Long Island for almost a week.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)That huge band of rain will move on by morning!
malaise
(269,282 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)feel worse for people who live near the bayous/drainage ditches around Houston. Some of those homes have flooded out twice in last 2 years.
With global warming, the USA will have many more of these extreme weather events.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Im jealous..
malaise
(269,282 posts)matter to folks - not worth it
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)Seriously?
smh
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)I lived on Clearwater Beach in the 80's there was a hurricane that came up the west coast of Florida and stalled 20 miles offshore & dumped rain & sustained winds for 3 days. It was unusual in that most storms in the Gulf hit Louisiana/Texas, which it finally did on the 4th day.
catbyte
(34,536 posts)the Gulf of Mexico in 1998, devastating Central America & Roatan Island. It was also The Hurricane that Wouldn't Leave. I remember it did some bizarre loop-de-loops then stalled then meandered around some some. Absolutely devastating to the mountainous areas of Honduras, Guatemala, and Nicaragua with mudslides & flash floods. It dropped as much as 75" of rain in the 6 days it stalled near Honduras & was the 2nd deadliest Atlantic hurricane on record, killing 11,000 & leaving 11,000 more missing. Needless to say, I hope Harvey isn't anywhere near as bad.
malaise
(269,282 posts)I remember that one now.
mcar
(42,467 posts)Friends of ours in Miami told of a hurricane that hit Guam some years before. My friend's brother was stationed there. His family was with him.
The hurricane lingered over Guam for weeks. She said people literally went insane from the wind.
snpsmom
(692 posts)mcar
(42,467 posts)malaise
(269,282 posts)I worry about the Atlantic, Caribbean and GOM storms and where they're heading.
Harvey is moving slightly at 2mph now
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Out and back for seconds, maybe not as a hurricane though.
malaise
(269,282 posts)as Pope George Ringo II pointed out
malaise
(269,282 posts)clearly not enough about individual storms
tymorial
(3,433 posts)The blizzard of 1978
GoCubsGo
(32,102 posts)Agnes (1972), Claudette (1979), Alberto (1994), Georges (1998), Allison (2001), Irene (2011), and to some extent, Sandy in 2012. There are probably a few others that I'm missing. Allison behaved somewhat similarly to what Harvey is doing, only it occurred up the coast at Galveston/Houston.
Chipper Chat
(9,704 posts)Stalled over Cuba for 8 days
malaise
(269,282 posts)Damn there have been a lot of storms
applegrove
(118,900 posts)It makes all rain events much worse. Maybe the hurricane has run into a stalled jet stream.
malaise
(269,282 posts)more dangerous 0 this one moved from TS to Cat four in 72 hours.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)actually probably good for the gulf water that it gets sucked up and dumped on the coastal lands as extreme rain. flushes the land and the fishings always great after these extreme rains.
Flush that Gulf toilet
bluepen
(620 posts)By as much as 7-9 degrees, which is a lot.
https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/wgof_tmap.html
https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/egof.html
And I'm guessing you meant rising sea level is worse for storm surge. It wouldn't affect storm strength (pressure).
malaise
(269,282 posts)and yes sea level is worse for storm surge
bluepen
(620 posts)in the western Gulf. Where did you see that it was high 80s or 90 degrees, pre-Harvey?
https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all_meanT.html
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)This was a historically warm winter in the Gulf. I wonder what that does to the water column over time? But hey, we are in a giant Petri dish and we will find out whether we want to or not.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)I can't remember the date, but it was devastating for eastern NC.
malaise
(269,282 posts)Damn
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)bluepen
(620 posts)It ran parallel to the coast. Didn't really stall.
And the real problem for eastern NC was that the ground was already saturated from Hurricane Dennis.
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)It didn't get as much press since so much of Eastern NC is rural, poor, and black.
malaise
(269,282 posts)but I still don't remember weeks.
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)About two and a half weeks all together. A friend of mine lost their house. It was under feet and feet of water, and this was inland.
bluepen
(620 posts)lastlib
(23,374 posts)(sorry, I shouldn't make light of these things, but I couldn't resist.......I should be a better resistor--like my sig-line says.)
Sunriser13
(612 posts)...and along with Floyd simply devastated much of Eastern NC - Princeville comes to mind right off the bat, the oldest incorporated black town in the US. Wiped the town right off the map. The poor (majority black) side on lower ground has never fully recovered.
https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/1999/Hurricane-Dennis
Dennis lasted from 8/24-9/8, and dumped a tremendous amount of rain. Floyd came in around the 15th or 16th and finished the job for many. Then Irene followed up in mid-October while some of the larger rivers were still above flood stage. There's a good timeline here: https://www.ecu.edu/renci/StormsToLife/Floyd/
1999 was rough for ENC in particular.
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)All of teh hurricanes are merging into one in my head!
bluepen
(620 posts)Landfall was Cape Fear, NC, on September 16 and the storm was all the way up to Long Island on September 17.
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)And to a lesser extent, Mitch.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Those frogs and toads love rain puddles a reported small tornado sighting about half mile from my house, all I see 'down' around here are many small twigs from several trees- but my trees always shed a few twigs when there is a bit of wind/rain.
NOAA weather radar I use.
https://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=HGX&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
malaise
(269,282 posts)Is it still light?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)plus I like to hear the frogs & toads sing, they're an important part of my lands general health.
Warpy
(111,440 posts)It's why the snow totals were so high in places like Boston and northern RI. On the upper Cape, we were in bright sunshine surrounded by a wall of black clouds. I'd dug out and gotten to work before I knew there was a total travel ban.
DFW
(54,505 posts)My wife (then girlfriend) was visiting me near Boston (I lived there from 1975-1979), and I got suddenly called to Switzerland for a week. When I got back, the snow was so high, we couldn't get out of the front door of the house for over three weeks. For the first few days, she told me the only way to get down the Mass. Pike to the City was on skis. A guy I knew in Revere had just come into some money and had bought a new car. It filled with water and then froze.
mythology
(9,527 posts)That was before I was born, but my parents lived in the worst hit area (the 42 inches of rain in one day is still a record in the U.S.) and during the storm realized they couldn't hold out at home but it was too late for them to drive out. So they took horses to my grandparents house. My mom has told me about people laughing at them only to be asking for rides once the cars stalled out.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)I'm weather geek, and I've searched back to the early 1900's and have seen nothing like this one.
This is one for the record books.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)they think.
The storm stayed in the same place for four hours and dumped 12 to 14 inches of rain.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)doc03
(35,443 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:04 PM - Edit history (1)
moved up the eastern coastal states and stalled over Western Pennsylvania dumping as much as 19 inches of rain. It caused
major flooding on the Ohio and it's tributaries. At the time it was the most costly hurricane in history causing $2.1 billion in damages and claimed 128 lives. I remember I lost several days work because of flooding on the Ohio. That was the second worst flood on the upper Ohio
in my lifetime, the worst one was in 1964 with a crest of 49.7 in Wheeling WV, the Agnes flood was 49.5 in Wheeling WV.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I thought some states were gonna just wash away. Sneaky storm.
DeminPennswoods
(15,295 posts)It meandered around becoming a hurricane at least twice in its duration. It produced record flooding in Pennsylvania, especially along the Susquehanna River, which is wide, but not all that deep. Rainfall was up to 19"s in some parts of NE Pa.
malaise
(269,282 posts)but look at this rain
BigmanPigman
(51,651 posts)for two weeks and ruined my dad's whole vacation.
DeminPennswoods
(15,295 posts)Link to rainfall map:
ananda
(28,903 posts)Tropical storm Charlotte was pretty bad in the late
seventies.
But this is even worse than that.
rpannier
(24,350 posts)Showing his disfavor toward the Republicans in Texas and DC
They should be chased from the halls of power
Maybe the ancient Chinese were on to something
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)And a lot of people were shocked a few days later that the rain -- not the winds -- was the real danger.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)bad initially, until the levees broke. That's when everything went from severe to catastrophic.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Levee s were only engineered to withstand category 3. Still, they held. The storm surge overtopped them and once the water tops a levee, it will fail due to eddies at the vase
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)and they fell. Also, Katrina didn't come in as a Cat. 5.
http://www.history.com/topics/hurricane-katrina
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)When an El Niño storm parked over Sonoma County and dumped up to 15"
I was working in local radio and had to do 15 straight hours of emergency broadcasting because I was one of only two jocks that lived close enough to the station to walk through the flooding. I did step into a blown out manhole and got soaked to my shoulders.
George II
(67,782 posts)...this morning when it went from Cat 4 to Cat 1 quickly and was heading inland to relatively less populated areas, but then it made a right turn and headed straight for Houston.
I don't understand how people could live constantly under the threat of storms like this.
bullimiami
(13,114 posts)Massive flooding. Worse than any hurricane.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Glorfindel
(9,747 posts)I don't know why I remember that one, since it didn't affect the US, but I do. It was also mentioned in one of the James Bond books.
http://www.hurricanescience.org/history/storms/1960s/flora/
bluepen
(620 posts)steering currents or you get a stalled front.
MerryBlooms
(11,776 posts)I was in the Keys for her. Many had evacuated, but Wilma sat there and people ran out of money and ended up coming back home. The news played it down because of the tourist dollars, but man, there were mountains of belongings along every street. We got storm surge from both sides and we had 4ft of water in our place, which was 4 feet above the canal we were on. Scorpions, snakes, fish, frogs, etc... rushing into our house. I was up on our tallest dresser under our attic door. We filled our coolers with food, water, med supplies and tied them to our ankles so we could pull them up if needed. There I sat in shorts and cowboy boots with a bottle of vodka and my smokes... I cried tears of joy when the water line finally started dropping. It was hellish.
CottonBear
(21,597 posts)What a story of survival in the Florida Keys!
jmbar2
(4,920 posts)Keep trying to swat them away and then they come back!
Docreed2003
(16,900 posts)A massive storm stalled over Louisiana in August of last year dumping massive amounts of rain and resulting in devastating flooding around Baton Rouge. This one is dropping abou a foot more of rain!
ancianita
(36,221 posts)When stalled over land, hurricanes turn into storms and then dissipate.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)Dropped over 15 inches of rain in Cross City, Florida, strengthened to Cat 3 before hitting Biloxi. Two weeks earlier Hurricane Danny hit Louisiana as a Cat 1, so much of the Gulf coast was already saturated. The previous month Tropical Storm Bob hit Fort Meyers, Florida, then moved out into the Atlantic, developed into a Cat 1 hurricane and hit South and North Carolina.
Hurricane Elena was an unpredictable and damaging tropical cyclone that affected eastern and central portions of the United States Gulf Coast in late August and early September 1985. Threatening popular tourist destinations during Labor Day weekend, Elena repeatedly deviated from its forecast path, triggering evacuations of unprecedented extent. The hurricane wrought havoc to property and the environment between southwestern Florida and eastern Louisiana, though lesser effects were felt well beyond those areas. Elena developed on August 28 near Cuba, and after traveling lengthwise across the island with little impact, it entered the Gulf of Mexico and continued to strengthen. Initially projected to strike the central Gulf Coast, the hurricane unexpectedly veered toward the east on August 30, then stalled just 50 mi (80 km) west of Cedar Key, Florida. Despite predictions that Elena would continue eastward across Florida, the cyclone remained nearly stationary for about 48 hours, causing damage all along the eastern gulf with high winds and waves, before slowly moving northwest and ultimately making landfall near Biloxi, Mississippi, on September 2 as a Category 3 major hurricane. The storm quickly weakened upon moving ashore and dissipated on September 4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Elena
October the same year Hurricane Juan acted unlike any storm I have ever seen.
Hurricane Juan was a large and erratic tropical cyclone that looped twice near the Louisiana coast, causing widespread flooding. It was the tenth named storm of the 1985 Atlantic hurricane season, forming in the central Gulf of Mexico in late October. Juan moved northward after its formation, and was subtropical in nature with its large size. On October 27, the storm became a hurricane, reaching maximum sustained winds of 85 mph (140 km/h). Due to the influence of an upper-level low, Juan looped just off southern Louisiana before making landfall near Morgan City on October 29. Weakening to tropical storm status over land, Juan turned back to the southeast over open waters, crossing the Mississippi River Delta. After turning to the northeast, the storm made its final landfall just west of Pensacola, Florida, late on October 31. Juan continued quickly to the north and was absorbed by an approaching cold front, although its moisture contributed to a deadly flood event in the Mid-Atlantic states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Juan_(1985)
The 1985 season stuck with me since we were in the middle of building a barn which the wet weather slowed down construction. Plus we were then hit directly by Hurricane Kate which had already hit Jamaica:
Kate made its first landfall on the northern coast of Cuba at this intensity prior to emerging as a slightly weaker storm during the evening hours of November 19. Once clear of land, it began to strengthen quickly, becoming a Category 3 and reaching its peak intensity of 120 mph (195 km/h) the following day.[2] On November 21, a cold front moving across the Mississippi Valley resulted in a north and eventual northeast turn of the cyclone, and Kate came ashore near Mexico Beach, Florida, as a minimal Category 2 hurricane with winds of 100 mph (160 km/h). Gradual weakening ensued as the cyclone moved along the Southeast United States coastline, and Kate transitioned to an extratropical cyclone on November 23, a day after exiting the coastline of North Carolina.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Kate_(1985)
steve2470
(37,457 posts)http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-hurricane-harvey-rain-20170826-story.html
malaise
(269,282 posts)Holy shite!
eShirl
(18,509 posts)these big snowstorms, they come up the coast and sometimes when they get to the Gulf of Maine, they can sit and spin for a few days.
NNadir
(33,585 posts)malaise
(269,282 posts)Just saw an obviously overwhelmed governor of Texas on ABC say there's no way of predicting what Havery will do in the coming days. Just what you'd expect from an oil-soaked, climate-change-denying Republican politician to say after scientists have been warning him for a week of what will happen.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Sea levels have been rising and our oceans and seas are warming
Gothmog
(145,861 posts)malaise
(269,282 posts)this one came in and destroyed Rockfort as a Cat4 before stalling and Allison never became a hurricane. Both are big time 'stallers'.