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struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 10:53 PM Aug 2017

Why wouldn't Trump pardon those who ignore Robert Mueller?

By Philip Bump
August 25 at 9:34 PM

... Arpaio was convicted of contempt of court after being told to stop racially profiling Hispanics in his county but continuing to do so anyway — in part to bolster his reelection bid. This was a law enforcement official who was ignoring a federal court order and, as a result, was convicted of a misdemeanor.

And Trump pardoned him ...

The broader question raised by the pardon, then, is where Trump would draw the line. If he’s willing to pardon Joe Arpaio for ignoring a court order in service of a political goal Trump embraces, why wouldn’t he pardon another individual he respects for similarly ignoring a demand from the court. Say, a former employee or a family member who, say, was issued a subpoena to testify before a special prosecutor? ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/25/if-hell-pardon-arpaio-why-wouldnt-trump-pardon-those-who-ignore-robert-mueller/?utm_term=.ee19b1be669b

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Why wouldn't Trump pardon those who ignore Robert Mueller? (Original Post) struggle4progress Aug 2017 OP
He will pardon them. That's the point sharedvalues Aug 2017 #1
Ok, this brings up a question ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #2
Shhhhhhhhh Lilma Aug 2017 #3
They're already reported top have discussed it -- so maybe we should too struggle4progress Aug 2017 #5
Hate to be fallout87 Aug 2017 #6
I'm sure we shall all learn a great deal in coming days about what The Don can really do and also struggle4progress Aug 2017 #7
He would. It would be a bad idea. shanny Aug 2017 #4
Not only ignoring subpoenas; Joy Ann Reid points out he could pardon them for lying to Mueller muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #8

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. Ok, this brings up a question
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:13 PM
Aug 2017

1. It would be obstruction

2. I thought the official path to pardons was through the DOJ. If that is true, then it could implicate Sessions in obstruction as well, right?

Yeah, I know tRump is not following the procedure, but after Arapio that might have to change.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
5. They're already reported top have discussed it -- so maybe we should too
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:33 AM
Aug 2017

It would be obstruction of justice IMO

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
6. Hate to be
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:35 AM
Aug 2017

the bearer of bad news... but the POTUS can pardon people , even if they are under investigation. It would be a quick way to shut it down.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
7. I'm sure we shall all learn a great deal in coming days about what The Don can really do and also
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:53 AM
Aug 2017

about what we can really do

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
4. He would. It would be a bad idea.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:50 PM
Aug 2017

If pardoned, they could not plead the fifth if (when--or why the pardon?) called to testify. And nobody could pardon them, or him, from state charges .

muriel_volestrangler

(101,403 posts)
8. Not only ignoring subpoenas; Joy Ann Reid points out he could pardon them for lying to Mueller
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 08:46 AM
Aug 2017

From here down:




Someone up here where we're vacationing made a great point last night that seems apropos post-Arpaio pardon.
What's to stop Trump from simply asking every Russiagate target to lie to Bob Mueller's team, with the promise of a pardon?
Trump clearly doesn't care about the rule of law, and his history as a businessman is to do the corruption and just pay or delay the fine.
What in Trump's nature suggests he *wouldn't* try to induce all of the Mueller targets to lie for him, and promise them pardons in the end?
With Trump, you have to consider literally every lurid thing to be possible. He has no moral compass whatsoever that I've been able to see.

And I would add, not just ignoring subpoenas or lying to Mueller. They might start destroying evidence now - emails, physical paper records, that kind of thing. That spreads it beyond just what they might say under oath themselves, but evidence other people can use.

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