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His hair is a little long, but if you read the dress code it reads like a 1950's dress code, FFS!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-4-year-old-boy-isnt-allowed-at-school-because-of-his-long-hair_us_599c790ae4b06a788a2c718f?section=us_queer-voices&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=__Queer%20Voices__082417&utm_content=__Queer%20Voices__082417+Version+A+CID_0be75ef11131be9510fb5a35a81a8fe4&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=4%20Year%20Old%20Haircut&ncid=newsltushpmgvoices__Queer%20Voices__082417
I will cut his hair the day he asks me to get his hair cut, she told HuffPost.
The school has a policy for boys that hair must not extend below the collar, the ear lobes or the eyebrow. A copy of the dress code policy for grades pre-K through 5 states, The districts dress code is established to set the standard of excellence, set our students apart from others, teach grooming/hygiene, prevent disruption, and minimize safety hazards.
BumRushDaShow
(129,972 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)She tried that and in a "man bun," and both are nopes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Very likely with a conservative board of directors. Conventionalism is pretty strong among conservatives in general. This district will be getting state and likely federal taxpayer dollars, though, a big consideration if they fight this.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
delisen
(6,046 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Turbineguy
(37,413 posts)we put a little black mustache on him?"
Or better yet: "he's like this guy:"
http://badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=579429818534
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)pansypoo53219
(21,009 posts)some entry in my 1891 encyclopedia britannica. i can't wait to get to R now.
bdtrppr6
(796 posts)Adventure is Thy Name! thanks for sharing my new favorite website.
and that kid needs to grow it some more! i've always had long hair, really long occasionally, and always had comments about it.
fuck you, it's long, deal with it, motherfucker. who are you to comment?
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)Definitely deserves to be stigmatized!
(for the humor-impaired)
5X
(3,972 posts)in high school, our hair had to be above the collar, off the ears all together.
could be why my hair now is past my waist.
Same here! Well it's not to my waist, but it's well past me collar.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)for molding young republicans. Some of my friends, when we moved into management, started getting razor cut haircuts, close to the scalp, but long enough for a comb over. I always had well kept stylish long hair. None cared, but one of the senior managers once asked me if I combed my hair with a brick in the morning. We all laughed, was no big deal.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Luckily, I missed the boat on all of this. I remember kids in my elementary who had long hair and we didn't have to wear uniforms. The class after I left 6th grade, did, though.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)R0ckyRac00n
(84 posts)What else would you expect from a place called Barber's Hill.
Demonaut
(8,937 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Their relationship would never recover.
The kid would never be able to be free as an adult.
There's no good reason for a four-year-olds to have to look like Army recruits.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)How is he going to function in life. Don't sweat the small stuff
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)can leave lasting scars.
The school is out of line and the Fifties are over.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)That substantiates such a claim.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Warpy
(111,437 posts)Check out the stories of kids who went to Indian schools in this country. First thing they did is chop their hair off.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)coddling, and there's still plenty of time for lessons about rules.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Hair cut and would ruin his relationship with his mother forever and never completely develop himself over a haircut a little fucking dramatic?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)by the people who advocate with tough or dismissive talk cutting the kid's hair.
moda253
(615 posts)Who gives a fuck why the kid and the parents don't want to cut his hair?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Would wound him to his dying day. You can't expect an argument to be taken seriously when outrageous claims are made.
Personally, I don't see the big deal with his hair BUT if he had to cut it, I seriously fucking doubt his psyche is now ruined for life. That shit is why we are mocked. It's ridiculous.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)ready for change down the road. Showing a child that people respect his reasonable wishes teaches him he is worth listening to and gives him confidence. It's possible to do so without raising a tyrant. But I know some mean uncles like to tell kids they shot the Easter bunny and laugh at their tears, so mileage certainly varies.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)There's no greater good served from obedience for the sake of obedience.
Hard to imagine the kid would ever trust his mother again after this if she did obey the school.
Or that he could still be a free, poetic, spontaneous child with a military haircut.
The point of imposing conformity in grooming is to erase the individual and dull the soul. It can't ever shape anyone into being a whole, beautiful human being.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)It may be easy for others to see it as no big deal for him to get a haircut (and be *taught a lesson*) but I can relate to this as one who has made the choice to conform (or was made to under threats of punishment). It doesn't sit well and has gnawed away at me my whole life.
Hope this kid finds his rightful place without others throwing up their bullshit, useless rules coming from their own biases simply because they have a problem with something that really isn't a problem.
Choosing to conform with a group over individuality should not be taken lightly and without good reason. I think there are times and places when it's appropriate to conform to a group but this is not one of them. I'm not seeing the need for him to cut his hair except to appease the narrow minds of authoritarians who require external confirmation of their own prejudices and have a difficult time dealing with the nuances of individuals.
Integrity of character should matter over conformity.
Demonaut
(8,937 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Demonaut
(8,937 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Demonaut
(8,937 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Would be another potential headline for this story.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Some policies are definitely outdated and counterproductive
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/07/17/534448313/when-black-hair-violates-the-dress-code
http://www.newsweek.com/malden-ma-dress-code-charter-school-policy-613691
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Each situation can be looked at from different perspectives.
It is worth reflecting on whether or not schools ought to have dress codes. If so, are there nationally agreed upon standards for what these codes ought to include or does it make sense from them to vary based on the input of local residents?
Or are school dress codes of any kind inherently discriminatory?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)dress codes with great flexibility, but often in my experience they are used for discrimination and authoritarianism.
Doodley
(9,176 posts)deliberately discriminate.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Boston area, I can just imagine what it's like in other parts of this country.
bluepen
(620 posts)Boston has racial issues. Interesting data here:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/06/22/boston-racist-poll-shows-city-split-along-racial-lines/WRM3reSgkfpYtheDoCyxTM/story.html
Race has been a long-vexing problem for Boston, from the 1950s Red Sox insistence on becoming the last major-league team to sign a black player (the Globes publisher, John Henry, bought the team in 2002), to the busing uproar of the 1970s and the police departments handling of the 1989 Charles Stuart case.
More recently, racism burst into the civic dialogue again this spring when a Baltimore Orioles player who is black said fans hurled racial epithets at him and a Saturday Night Live comedian labeled Boston the countrys most racist city. Those incidents launched a municipal and sometimes national conversation on how the city deals with race.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Doodley
(9,176 posts)Doodley
(9,176 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)Simon Moya-Smith August 28, 2014
On Monday, a 5-year-old Native American boy was sent home on his first day of school and ordered to cut his hair short because it allegedly violated district policy, the boys mother said.
The child, Malachi Wilson, an enrolled citizen of the Navajo Nation, had been looking forward to his first day of kindergarten at F.J. Young Elementary in Seminole, Texas.
After we had enrolled him he was excited. He was ready to go. Everyday it wasthe question, Mom, {am I} going to school? his mother, April Wilson, told CBS-affiliate Channel 7.
But that notable day in a childs life would not happen for Malachi. He was turned away by school officials and sent home.
More: https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/education/native-education/navajo-kindergartner-sent-home-from-school-ordered-to-cut-his-hair/
Or this child:
Wednesday, July 9, 2008 at 4 a.m.
By Paul Knight
<SNIP>
His father, Kenney Arocha, is part Native American. He teaches spiritual beliefs to his son that his grandfather and uncles taught to him. Michelle Betenbaugh, Arocha's wife and Adriel's mother, isn't Native American, but she supports raising her son as such.
<SNIP>
Adriel's parents want to enroll him at Needville Elementary School. Betenbaugh sent an e-mail to the principal, asking about kindergarten and explaining Adriel's long hair. The principal replied that the district doesn't allow long hair on boys.
On June 9, the family met with Curtis Rhodes, the Needville superintendent. Rhodes asked what religion upheld that Adriel could not cut his hair. The family explained there wasn't a church or doctrine they followed, but they believe that Adriel's hair is sacred.
Arocha said that his belief is to cut his hair after life-changing events, such as mourning the death of someone he loves.
More: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/a-native-american-family-fights-against-hair-length-rules-6575891
Even when it was presented as a religious belief and eve when the school district was provided documentation of prior court cases in favor of allowing long hair on boys for religious reasons particularly Native Americans, the school district refused to cooperate. The family in this case fought it in the courts and won: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1531060.html
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)Which is what it is.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The dress code has been in place for a while there.
kcr
(15,326 posts)So, no need to ever report on anything discriminatory, since that's not news. After all, that's been going on forever.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's all I am saying.
Restrictions on hair length are found in dress codes at many schools, I would imagine. There definitely could be an op-ed talking about how such a policy is discriminatory.
Dress code stories, though, tend to make the news when they are challenged by students or parents, as in this case.
kcr
(15,326 posts)It's easy to forget how large and regionally diverse this country is. It might as well be a different country depending on where you live. For those who have only ever lived in one region, or haven't moved in a long time, they might not realize just how completely different it is elsewhere, and they have no idea these dress codes still exist. They figure they're a relic of the past everywhere. The same thing happens when paddling in schools comes up. There are still a lot of people who don't realize the red states STILL do that. It's news to them.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)oasis
(49,482 posts)I guess girls with long hair are less of a safety hazard.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)extremely long hair, prudent in government, and also for kings, warriors, etc., etc. I never would have met their admission standards my entire life. It seems to me to be an authoritative thing.
oasis
(49,482 posts)bdamomma
(63,961 posts)until the boy gives his permission to have his hair cut???? what is wrong with that picture, usually it is the parent who has control over their kids, weird.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)Doodley
(9,176 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)Some people here got it backwards.
moda253
(615 posts)What if the child hasn't identified himself gender wise yet. He's still pretty young but something is telling him that he likes his hair long for some reason. Now I have no idea if this is the case or not but if the kid is that adamant about his hair you don't go forcing him to cut his hair. Why would you? To meet some predefined societal rule that one must do this? That's absurd. There is really no good reason to say that this boy has to cut his hair. Not unless you are going to force girls to cut their hair too.
I'm actually pretty damned shocked to be reading some of these absurd opinions on DU today.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,250 posts)Long hair was allowed, even facial hair. I often went braless. We still learned and graduated!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)IMO the educational system is often full of authoritative types.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,250 posts)Who like to make life hell for caring nuturing type teachers like me. I lasted 9 years.
Doodley
(9,176 posts)I think a four-year-old kid should not be empowered by the parents to change policy by that perhaps other kids and parents respect.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)might not like that school for a variety of reasons. It might be an uphill battle all the way.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)And good for the parent to listen to Jabez's preference.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,317 posts)If he likes it that way, who's it hurting ?
JenniferJuniper
(4,516 posts)the difference is between a girl with long hair and a boy with long hair?
I think boys in particular should be allowed long hair if they want it because they are much more likely than girls to lose it in mid-life. Work it while you got it, boy!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)The dr. told me it was because I had long hair and probably some of the hairs got into my ears. I guess I looked at him like WTF, are you really stupid or what. ... because then he said, well, that really doesn't make sense, does it ... and I said no!
Doodley
(9,176 posts)accept that there is a difference between boys and girls?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)is against the law.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Sexist rules are sexist regardless of age. Rules that violate bodily autonomy are bad regardless of age or location.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That said...is there no way to note gender differences without insisting they be expressed through hair length?
Would you say a 4 year old girl who liked her hair short should be obligated to grow it out?
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)Just like how some schools allow boys to wear muscle shirts/tank tops or shorts, and girls can't.
It is literally illegal gender discrimination.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)So, this is discrimination on the basis of sex. Any decent attorney could settle this school's hash in about ten minutes with a well-worded letter.
Stuff like this is bullshit, plain and simple. It's not the school's place to dictate how kids wear their hair according to what sex the kid is.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He should wear his hair the way he wants. There is no valid reason for forcing him to cut it.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)The kid's 5 years old. Leave him alone. Soon enough, peer pressure will start coming into play. Let him enjoy being 5 years old.
That anyone cares about this is just silly.
HAB911
(8,946 posts)In 1972 I left the Army after a three year tour, one on the DMZ in Korea. I returned to my pre-Army life with a telecommunications central office manufacturing company, installing and testing equipment around the country. I was working in a small town in South Carolina for almost 6 months, and having just left the Army, had let my hair grow. My company did not have a dress code pertaining to hair, but the local telephone company did. Moustache could not extend beyond the corner of the mouth, hair could not touch the ear or collar, standard military code. My hair was starting to be out of compliance by this time. They told me I could not enter the building, which had a camera on the door with electronic lock, and if they didnt like your looks, you were locked out. If locked out, I would lose my job, so I bought a short hair wig. Of course, all this did was piss them off.
Eventually, a strand of hair would fall out from under the wig and when it did they reported it to my boss and threats ensued. Having been a member of the ACLU since before I can remember, I wrote a letter to the state ACLU detailing my problem. They sent me a letter describing my legal position, and stating that about the only option was a civil rights suit. I gave the letter to the telephone company, and within a week, my boss and his boss flew into town and offered me my job in any state of my choosing. I chose Florida and finished my 45 year career with one fine company, IMO.
I learned later, that company was at the time under federal scrutiny for other civil rights violations for discriminatory hiring practices regarding African-Americans.
RESIST
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)unbelievable.
LOL, from my old age vantage I can't believe the balls I had
too funny, now
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)the USAF in 1969. I had stopped shaving and had a full beard, which I still have. The guy who owned the station said I couldn't have a beard if I worked for him. I said, "How about sideburns?" He said that was OK, so I shaved a 1" wide strip on my chin. It looked ridiculous. I was a good worker, though. One day, he told me to go ahead and grow that patch out. Then, he made me the manager of his station.
Sometimes, people figure out that their rules are just stupid.
HAB911
(8,946 posts)A common thread in my life.........
After Korea I was stationed at Ft. Benning. The company commander was Catholic. He regularly assigned details of Army road grading equipment on weekends to clear land for the Catholic church in Alabama. I was in communications, but as a non-comm I was assigned to supervise the crews on several weekends. Beyond my personal religious beliefs, I didn't take kindly to losing my weekends for his church, and let it be known. Needless to say, that put me on his shit list and he started riding my ass. I could never have hair short enough for him. I essentially had a buzz cut, but what I did was use Brylcreem to make it lie flat, then I parted it down the middle, which has stuck with me to this day. (not the Brylcreem, the part). It was all counter productive for me, as he would at every opportunity assign me extra duty which meant supervising lower rank guys doing extra duty.
good times!
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)As long as you didn't mind being on someone's shit list, it could be entertaining, at a minimum.
My favorite was blocking 100% participation on my unit's United Way donations. I remember a long discussion with a Colonel over that one. I walked it right up the chain of command. It ended when I mentioned the Inspector General's office to the Colonel. Voluntary contributions are voluntary, after all, and that was documented in official orders. He was not amused, but the harassment ended once and for all.
At the time, the USAF was paying me $256 per month as an E-4. Half of that was going into a savings account, and I needed the rest for beer and snacks. There was nothing left for the United Way. Besides, I only donate to individual charities, even now, after making sure they deserve that donation.
I went through that exercise too and again at work years later, voluntary means voluntary.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)stealing from the army
HAB911
(8,946 posts)that's called community outreach
Doodley
(9,176 posts)I call this child abuse by the mother who thinks he can do what he likes and not follow rules.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Rules that are stupid need to be changed. Moms who don't care if their kids want long hair? They're fine. Who cares how long the kid's hair is. That has nothing to do with anything.
The school is wrong. The rules are wrong. If there are any girls at that school with long hair, the school will lose. Simple.
Sexual discrimination is illegal.
Doodley
(9,176 posts)and then blaming the rules is child abuse.
I was in a restaurant a few years ago in which small children were screaming and had turned the floor around the table into play den filled with ripped up paper, pens, menus and everything else. Nobody did a thing and the parents just sat at the table without a care in the world. I walked over to the table. "This is child abuse," I said. "failing to give your children any barriers whatsoever." Other customers stood up and clapped their hands at me.
This is what we are doing to this country, turning it into a namby pamby state in which kids don't have to follow any rules, everyone else is to blame and people are too afraid to say anything. And the political correctness that you speak of that girls can have long hair so there is no problem is one reason we have a bigoted idiot in the White House.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)And yeah, letting a child's hair grow long is just like letting them run around in a restaurant. Get a hold of yourself.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh God, the "a baby in TGIFs ruined my fine dining experience" threads... a spectacle not to be believed.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)like that time everyone in the checkout aisle cheered me when I told off the welfare queen buying vodka and bon-bons with her food stamps.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)Well said!
Doodley
(9,176 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)kcr
(15,326 posts)Time go go to the good old days, right?
Doodley
(9,176 posts)kcr
(15,326 posts)Well, now that I think about it, I have seen Melania wearing pants. Who knew that we had the demographics so wrong?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)YMMV
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Voltaire2
(13,257 posts)delisen
(6,046 posts)following an unjust rule so that he may grow up to be a protector of freedom rather than a follower of Putin or Trump.
She is also teaching him that his body is for him to control, not others.
OnDoutside
(19,986 posts)Enough to get kids into the shower or bath as it is !
One other thing I've noticed is how many kids of bald or balding male parents, are allowed grow their hair extra long.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)It's not lice. It's weirdness on the part of school officials. They should not care. That they do is suspect.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)one or two times a year, it was no big deal to us. This is true. I remember once the dr. found a bug colony in one girls hair. She had one of the tall beehive styles popular in the 50's and somehow a bug had climbed in a made a nest. She was clean and all that, but just one of those things that sometimes happen. We all giggled, but were glad he found it for her.
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That's amazing. I did not know girls had this power.
Voltaire2
(13,257 posts)Lice die. Boys are repelled. Policy makes perfect sense now
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I had a clean house and a clean child, but lice don't care about that. What they DO care about is hair that is, weirdly and insidiously, the exact same color as nits.
After maybe the tenth reoccurrence I took her in the backyard and shaved her head. She said "Daddy? Why didn't you shave your head?" So of course I shaved my head on the spot and have kept it shaved ever since (and I could have hair if I wanted!).
Now that she's an adult, she keeps short hair. Turns out it looks better on her, and she figured that out from looking at old pictures hanging in the hallway.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)phylny
(8,393 posts)we also had a double-whammy. Two kids with very blond hair, yes, same color as the nits.
Nit picking. It's a real thing.
Ilsa
(61,712 posts)Been there, done that, as a school nurse for elementary schools.
If boys get lice, they usually get a cut short enough to make nit removal easier.
My guess is that the school has these rules for other reasons, though.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)NoChildSupport
(8 posts)You can't follow the rules, you are not allowed in
http://www.bhisd.net/uploaded/parents/Dress_and_Personal_Appearance_PK-5_Grades_Rev_9-2-2014.pdf
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)Which this is. Which almost all dress codes are.
So, wrong.
vi5
(13,305 posts)If it's a private school then it's their rules.
Same way that Bob Jones or LIberty U can have horribly regressive and sexist rules and dress codes.
Same way Country Clubs can still not allow women.
It's stupid, but if it's private then they can do it.
http://www.riaclu.org/know-your-rights/pamphlets/know-your-rights-school-dress-codes
Per the ACLU, laws do not apply in the private school setting.
kcr
(15,326 posts)The egregious shit they've been getting away with is so bad that many in this thread are assuming the school in the OP is a private school. Having lived in a hell-hole state until recently, I knew better. I got my family out and my kids are thriving.
Doodley
(9,176 posts)go to school with hair down to his chest?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)That's what Title IX is all about. It has nothing to do with political correctness; it's the law.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)What harm is it doing? What are the differences that you are speaking of upthread that we should be made aware of through a dress code?
What makes it bad for a boy to have long hair but ok for a girl?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)What is the world coming to!!!!
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Are you sure you're on the right website?
As long as it's clean and well-kept, who cares how long his hair is? Hair length is an arbitrary and out-dated gender rule.
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Proud Liberal Dem
(24,455 posts)I get why schools have some basic dress codes but I don't get why they also get to prescribe hair length depending on gender? The school is wasting this young child's ability to get an education and his parent's ability to earn a living. This silliness needs to stop. His long hair isn't going to hurt anybody.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,545 posts)If his hair is different than that of his male classmates he will likely be ostracized by them, which will in turn motivate him to get his hair cut. Viola! Problem solved.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)attend and people he wants to be around. I think when I read the article there were other schools he could attend.
JenniferJuniper
(4,516 posts)and long hair will be all the rage for boys at the school.
And it's only a "problem" because the school is run by gender discriminating idiots.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)(cancer pt. wigs) . He started the 2016 school year while it was still growing the required length. He didnt make the cut length before school started so he showed up with some long hair as school started. At his school the opposite happened
Some of his male classmates joined him and grew long hair to donate. Some made it to the required length some didnt keep it well enough to continue or they or parents got tired of the maintenance and cut it early. And of course it was only a small group of the boys but no other kids gave them flak that i know of , or teachers
http://www.locksoflove.org/get-involved/
I guess it depends on the area if someone with long hair will be ostracized. This was in the Chicago area so most areas around here no biggie to have long hair, fro, or fades or bun or hair color and be a boy. Seen it all. One older kid does pink hair dye during breast health awareness month every year because his mother had breast cancer.
I did ask if he got hassled about the color. My kids said no that everyone thinks its cool he does it.
Jabez looks fine to me. I hope he gets to keep his hair which imo looks neat, clean ,combed, and not disheveled. I have seen a lot worse upkeep on little girls his age
rurallib
(62,478 posts)he was our mentee while in K-12. After HS he let his hair grow just so he could someday donate it to locks of love.
DFW
(54,502 posts)I was one of them, and I was pressured endlessly to shave it off. The other guy was a staunch Republican, and they didn't say a word to him. I don't know if his parents were prominent or not. Since I have extremely sensitive facial skin, if I shave my beard off, I turn red like a boiled lobster, so I refused. They let me graduate anyway, but not without a lot of grief.
A a minor revenge, this school, which counts at least two US presidents among its alumni, got stuck with a prank they will never be able to erase. My brother, a junior at a rival school across the state line, was at my graduation, and was with me when we were herded together for the official class photo. He tried to get away, but was pushed into the center with me. I was a nobody, and so none of the school's top administration gave it a second thought when they didn't recognize the guy next to me. So, our official class photo is the only one to contain a ringer from the rival school. The administration was so uncaring about their non-elite students, they never even noticed until someone informed them months later. By then it was too late. These people were so narrow-minded, it really upset them for a long time afterward! Luckily, I was only at this school for that one year, and as you might have guessed, both of the presidents who graduated from there were Republicans. Now, they come begging for alumni contributions, and swear the school has become much more progressive. I always tell them, then get your contributions from alumni who were NOT harassed during the time they were there, and consider that even nerds you thought were nobodies might someday go on to be successful.
I admire this mother's courage, although her boy will be the object of unmerciful bullying if he keeps his hair this way, unless this is one incredibly enlightened school--which seems to be anything BUT the case.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)probably quite authoritative.
DFW
(54,502 posts)The high school I graduated from was quite authoritative, and it sure as hell wasn't right for me.
For that matter, I, as well as many other boys, got harassed in the Middle School I went to, to get haircuts all the time. It was supposedly a "Quaker" school, but it was hardly friendly, despite the "Friends" in its official name. I have heard that in the meantime, it has done a complete 180° and has become one of the most enlightened schools in Washington (Clinton and Obama sent their daughters there, something I would never have recommended when I attended).
vi5
(13,305 posts)So as stupid as it is, it's their rule.
I'm not sure why parents WANT to and actively fight for their right to send their kids to such regressive, idiotic institutions.
If it's because the school is good and that the education they provide is your priority then do what is required to send your kid to that school.
If your priority is you child developing an independent mind and free-spirit then send them to a school where they are free to be themselves and to follow that path in life.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)kcr
(15,326 posts)Doodley
(9,176 posts)fight for themselves?
bluestarone
(17,106 posts)your boss said you need to be bald to work there? this school policy is BS! it's a complete family affair and NOT school affair! There policies suck! Next they will tell people how to vote?
kcr
(15,326 posts)and have never been happier. They will soon start requiring skirts for girls. Mark my words.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I stopped reading it after they kept revamping their site to "uninteresting" (to me)
bdtrppr6
(796 posts)always hated going there, just like walking into a house of ill repute, but the change shut it down entirely. she's as evil as drumpf so good riddance. i bet we're not the only ones. insignificance happens fast on the net.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I HATED dresses, and I wore jeans everywhere else back in the 60's.
Girls couldn't wear pants until I was in the 8th grade, and only then if the temp was below freezing. Not making this up. Somehow I survived.
I don't have a problem with this kid's hair, but what is it nowadays that NO ONE thinks their children should obey ANY rules?
Runningdawg
(4,531 posts)are dealing with an issue VERY familiar to Native American families. In 1976 my HS dress code required "boys hair when combed from the crown should not touch the eyebrows, ears or collar." For years NA boys got around this by putting their braids up under a wig that complied with the dress code. Then, they decided that wasn't good enough. Ultimately NA parents had to hire lawyers and won the case. The school board would not relent on the rule against long hair but had to accept the courts decision on the wigs. As far as I know, to this day, the dress code has not changed and NA boys still wear wigs.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)maveric
(16,446 posts)I can't believe some of the shit going on in other states.
Who sets these standards. Didn't dress codes go out in the 70s?
And Jesus had long hair.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)ecstatic
(32,786 posts)She's the parent and she should be the one making decisions, not the other way around. The school shouldn't make the decision, but neither should her 4 year old child.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)But there's something to be said with kids in giving them some bodily autonomy to how they want to look, espescially since so many thing "we" find problematic tend to be gender-codified foolishness.
ecstatic
(32,786 posts)when she made the decision not to cut his hair at 12 months, 18 months, 2 then 3 years old. The long hair thing was her decision, and now she's pretending that it was her 4 year old's decision all along.
Doodley
(9,176 posts)described it as child abuse. They are teaching him that rules don't have to be followed - just complain about them because the world revolves around the child. You end up with kids that grow up to be Donald Trumps.
marybourg
(12,648 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,512 posts)hurts no one?
VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)delisen
(6,046 posts)hair length so long as it is not dangerous to others. His has no obligation, even as a child, to enforce the gender stereotypes of older people who seem to be living in the past.
ecstatic
(32,786 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)delisen
(6,046 posts)are fundamentally different.
One does no damage to the body,is not permanent, and does not inflict physical pain. The other does damage, is considered permanent, and does inflict physical pain.
As there does not seem to be any significant difference between the head hair of boys and the head hair of girls, and if there is no rule regarding the length of hair of girls, this seems to me to be foremost a matter of discrimination based on gender.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)Forcing a Sikh man or boy to cut his hair is religious discrimination. Makes me wonder if the school would demand such a thing if it were the case.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Warpy
(111,437 posts)I can't believe how many narrowminded assholes there are in parts of this country who are still stuck in Leave it to Beaver land.
I agree pulling it back would be a good idea, it would tend to get in the way a lot. Otherwise, not their kid, not their business.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Cleaver days. I was surprised this was still so much of an issue.
LeftInTX
(25,764 posts)I read it in the NY Post
Skittles
(153,298 posts)the rules for hair should be quite simple: clean and groomed
rurallib
(62,478 posts)My grandson is just over 7. As far as I know he hasn't had a haircut yet. But his hair is quite curly, so by nature it doesn't fall in his eyes but does go a bit past his collar. Wonder what the school would do about that.
His parents let him decide and he is quite happy with the way it is.
Having been subject to a buzz cut to the skin by my dad growing up every Friday, I really don't care if he gets it cut or not.
Among the kids we worked with in a mentoring group a few years back was a native American bot named Brandon. Brandon was ten when I first met him. His hair was almost to his waist. Yet that was the custom and it made no difference in his intelligence demeanor or manners. He was simply a nice young boy.
I note that in the handbook the school claims that among the goals are to "set our students apart from others." Looks like having all the boys with similar haircuts kind of negates that goal.
Substitute teaching one day I got into a discussion with a couple of 16YO boys on how most teen boys wore a uniform of tshirt, jeans, and running shoes. They were trying to tell me they were individuals.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)rurallib
(62,478 posts)so much is starting to sound like the early 60s again - racism, fear of getting nuked, misogynism.
But in this case, it sure seems like this is almost a repeat of something from my past.
When my dad bought a gas station when I was in college one of his best employees had hair down to the middle of his back. My father, who used to skin my head every week had an employee with the ever hated long hair.
I tried to grow mine out but it just got so thick and curly.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)gotten why so many people whine about long hair. It must be an authoritative thing. And now this country is sliding back to the 50's/60's and what were some good parts back then will be left out, I'm sure. I'm so fed up with all of the sh**.
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erpowers
(9,350 posts)That young man's hair is not "a little long"; his hair is really long for a boy. However, it is his body and he should be able to wear his hair however long he and his parents choose.
delisen
(6,046 posts)If girls are allowed long hair, so should boys be allowed.
We are living in a new authoritarian age. Too many people in America scared of freedom. How can we allay their fears?
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)The family apparently has Cocopah heritage, and views the long hair as part of the boy's identity.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)oh wait, yes i can. when it comes to gender roles, "liberals" can be extremely primitive and superstitious.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)Sue the shit out of the public school and pay for the kids college.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...are about cleanliness, grooming, hygiene, and conforming to structured uniform standards like clothing color, shoe style, etc.
Dress code enforcement rights end where the human body begins. Since hair is connected to the head and part of the body as a whole, the school has no right to demand that it be cut.
As long as a child's hair is clean and groomed; styled so as "not to be a distraction," that should be the end of it.
No person has the right to demand that another person alter their body through the use of scissors, razor blade, scalpel, etc., to conform to some antiquated, arbitrary "dress code."
What if this school's dress code included a requirement that the school mascot be tattooed onto every student's forearm?
How about a policy for boys that the foreskin must not extend past the tip of the glans... purely for hygienic reasons, of course.
I applaud this woman for standing by her son's right to autonomy and control over his own body. His hair was clean and styled above the collar. End of story.
This school is finding itself on the wrong side of history. I hope they realize it and adjust themselves accordingly.
TYY
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)policy/rules extend into similar authoritative policies/rules. It sounds like an indoctrination school.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Figures.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I have nothing but praise for the 13th Floor Elevators, The Butthole Surfers, Steve Earle, James McMurtry...
but I've never had much desire to spend time down there.
Still hoping for the best for them in this storm, though.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Not surprising one bit.
I feel like Peter Fonda in Easy Rider myself, going through Fresno.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The problem in Texas, and probably most everywhere else is school board elections are off cycle from major elections, so the only people who tend to vote in them regularly are old people due to a big GOTV effort among wingnut churches. That's why the creationist nutbags have taken over our schools.
I think if Democrats really wanted to crush the GOP, they should focus some effort on getting progressively minded people to show up to off cycle elections and crush the overwhelming influence of the chickenshits over local elections. When these people lose their influence, they will stop showing up at the ballot box.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)I'm female so my fight was the ability to wear pants to school. While I was still in high school they never allowed girls to wear jeans - we had to wear "pants suits" purchased from a store. Until my Mom raised hell - she asked why were girls required to take Home Ec if we couldn't wear the clothes we made to school. So then they allowed pants suits if we had made them.
Mom had helped me make a outfit from red brushed denim to wear when I showed my horse - nice boot cut pants with a neat vest. I wore that to school and was sent to the office since "Denim has to be jeans!" The pants were not cut the same as jeans, were not made of the standard at the time blue denim, and the principal decided that the vest made it a pants suit.
On the other hand, my husband and his brothers fought for long hair in their high school in a different town - and they won. By the time my husband graduated, his hair was halfway to his waist. He's cut it twice since - once for court and once for job hunting. It's still long and will remain that way so far as I am concerned.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)bluestarone
(17,106 posts)100%
LAS14
(13,791 posts).... with my son and daughter-in-law, just FYI, since my 6 yr old grandson has beautiful long locks and doesn't want them cut. My son says, if he doesn't get them cut, he'll just be a hockey player with really long hair.
What has become of us???/
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)three backward. The US is going nowhere in the future and will be a second rate power with no respect by the international community.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)It worked then.
bdtrppr6
(796 posts)let your freak flag fly
Doreen
(11,686 posts)The school just out of the blue told the boys that they were no longer allowed to wear shorts. This was in the 80's and mini skirts for the girls were in style. Well, the next day half of the boys ended up in school with mini skirts. By the time school ended that day the school announced that boys could wear shorts.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Joe Fields
(11,099 posts)By the time he was in the sixth grade, his hair almost reached his butt. He was very proud of his hair and took good care of it. Not once, not one time did ANY school official make an issue of it. Thank God he was in a progressive, inclusive school district. Most importantly he made straight A's all throughout his school career.
He decided, in his senior year, to cut his hair and have it donated to Locks For Love. It was entirely his decision.
What type of stone age school makes an issue of hair? I can't wrap my head around that.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)came across this article. I thought much of that nonsense went out decades ago. It really is a stone age school. I haven't researched the school at all, but if the child is not interested in being educated in an authoritarian environment, he will might enjoy another school.