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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:53 PM Aug 2017

Videos show high school cheerleaders being physically forced to perform painful splits

Videos show high school cheerleaders being physically forced to perform painful splits
Chuck Schilken Contact Reporter 8-24-17


ideos showing multiple high school cheerleaders crying out in pain while being held in the splits position have led to an investigation by Denver Police and the placement of five public school employees on administrative leave.

According to KUSA-TV, which broke the story early Thursday, East High administrators have had access to at least one such video since June and have received complaints from some of the girls’ parents for months. But Denver Public Schools Superintendent Tom Boasberg said in a statement Thursday that he just learned about the issue that day and that the school system would be conducting its own investigation into the matter.

East cheerleader Ally Wakefield is seen in one video apparently being physically forced to do the splits, despite crying out nine times in less than 24 seconds for those holding her to “please, stop.”

Her mother, Kristen Wakefield, said: "This is a grown man pushing my 13-year-old girl so hard against her will while she's crying and screaming for him to stop that he's ripping tissues in her body."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-cheerleader-splits-video-20170824-story.html
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Videos show high school cheerleaders being physically forced to perform painful splits (Original Post) workinclasszero Aug 2017 OP
Speaking as a former cheering coach, there is no need to GreenPartyVoter Aug 2017 #1
"aiming for discomfort" is that in the public school employee job description? nt msongs Aug 2017 #2
It is if physical improvement is involved. GreenPartyVoter Aug 2017 #3
It is torture. procon Aug 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author peabody Aug 2017 #13
WTF!? procon Aug 2017 #4
Yeah do that to a dog and wind up in jail so fast it would make your head spin workinclasszero Aug 2017 #5
Corrections, as in "if you feel GreenPartyVoter Aug 2017 #10
Did you actually watch the video? procon Aug 2017 #15
I don't know how to make myself more clear. I am not defending what GreenPartyVoter Aug 2017 #16
You did fine Egnever Aug 2017 #21
Agreed. nt greyl Aug 2017 #24
He (GreenPartyVoter) was not peabody Aug 2017 #14
Clearly you did not watch the video Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #6
I think you didn't read the post you are replying to. Cal Carpenter Aug 2017 #8
Thank you. I thought I was being clear in stating GreenPartyVoter Aug 2017 #9
Do you honestly think I would have been GreenPartyVoter Aug 2017 #12
did you watch the video before you made your post? Beaverhausen Aug 2017 #18
. Egnever Aug 2017 #22
This is sadistic torture LittleBlue Aug 2017 #11
I agree workinclasszero Aug 2017 #17
The coach just got fired. shanti Aug 2017 #19
That was painful to watch. Hope she is alright. clutterbox1830 Aug 2017 #20
Sort of the same here. peabody Aug 2017 #23

GreenPartyVoter

(72,386 posts)
1. Speaking as a former cheering coach, there is no need to
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:57 PM
Aug 2017

hurt these kids. Yes, sometimes it helps to apply corrections or some physical pressure, but you have to know (and make clear to the kids) that you should be aiming for discomfort, not pain.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,386 posts)
3. It is if physical improvement is involved.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:08 PM
Aug 2017

Exercising for improved physical ability and health is uncomfortable because you are extending yourself a _bit_ outside of your normal range of movement or ability level. That's what causes bodies to become stronger or more flexible.

There is no need to torture kids to help them improve, but it doesn't feel as comfy as just sitting around either.

procon

(15,805 posts)
7. It is torture.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

Recall, if you will, how the advocates for torture from the Bush administration used "stress positions" to induce excruciating "discomfort" in prisoners. They omitted any reference to pain because then they would actually have to call torture, torture, and that would be illegal and morally reprehensible.

The video of the cheerleaders shows the coaches torturing screaming, pleading young girls by forcing them to endure painful "stress positions" that were clearly well beyond their physical capabilities. Evidently the series of multiple videos showing these incidents forced the coaches to take a leave of absence, and now the Denver police is investigating several cases of child abuse, has they damn well should.

Response to procon (Reply #7)

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. WTF!?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:32 PM
Aug 2017

Sweet Baby Jeebus, save us from people who think "it helps to apply corrections (and what the hell does that mean?)" because "you should be aiming for discomfort". Sadistic much?

No one would even train a dog like that, let alone a kid. Any normal adult knows that not everyone has the necessary body type or physical abilities to perform every type of athletic exercise. Forcing someone into extreme physical positions will tear tendons and rupture muscles which leads to permanent injuries... list any of the professional sports players who suffered a career ending injury.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. Yeah do that to a dog and wind up in jail so fast it would make your head spin
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:36 PM
Aug 2017

But teenage girls....meh.

WTH is wrong with this country? I swear!

GreenPartyVoter

(72,386 posts)
10. Corrections, as in "if you feel
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:12 PM
Aug 2017

the stretch in the back of your knee, bend it slightly until you feel it in the back of your hamstring, otherwise you are stretching out tendons and ligaments instead of muscle, which can cause joint problems down the road."

That is what coaches are supposed to do. _Coach_ them, hence the title.

And again, discomfort is not a bad thing in stretching. Pain is. Teaching kids to know the difference between stretching for improved flexibility versus pain for no good reason is part of the job description.

procon

(15,805 posts)
15. Did you actually watch the video?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:30 PM
Aug 2017

A grown man is exerting his full body strength to forcibly hold that young girl down. That's NOT a stretching exercise! Of all the sports my kids played, the dance classes, swimming and gymnastics, or yoga lessons, I never saw any of their coaches or instructors do anything like that. They never made the kids in their care scream in pain or writhe in agony trying to escape.

Stop making excuses for the goddamned coach, that wasn't "coaching", what he did was way beyond mere "discomfort". What a ridiculous rationalization! This was a terrible abuse of the coaching staff's authority and it should condemned because no one was protecting those young girls from physical abuse.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,386 posts)
16. I don't know how to make myself more clear. I am not defending what
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:33 PM
Aug 2017

they did. I was trying to explain how it should have been done.

peabody

(445 posts)
14. He (GreenPartyVoter) was not
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:29 PM
Aug 2017

defending the practice. He was merely saying that a stretch should be uncomfortable but not painful. If you don't have a little discomfort in your stretches then why bother stretching at all. In the video, it clearly showed that she was stretched way beyond discomfort and into pain territory; it became dangerous--a tendon could have been torn.

Beaverhausen

(24,475 posts)
6. Clearly you did not watch the video
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:42 PM
Aug 2017

there are multiple people holding her down and pushing her beyond what her body can do. She is crying and asking them to stop.

are you sick?

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
8. I think you didn't read the post you are replying to.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:36 PM
Aug 2017

That poster was not defending the coach in question.

eta: In fact it looks like a lot of people are reacting without reading the post in full. Geeez, is everyone around here on edge or what?

GreenPartyVoter

(72,386 posts)
12. Do you honestly think I would have been
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:17 PM
Aug 2017

allowed to hold a coaching position for 11 years in an Elementary school if I was sick or a danger to my kids?

Reread my post. In no way was I defending what those people were doing to those kids. Had a guest coach done that at one of our basketball games, I would have put a stop to it. Safety was always my top priority, and our principal and parents all knew it.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
11. This is sadistic torture
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:13 PM
Aug 2017

That coach needs to go ASAP, and the school needs to begin an inquest into how this happened.

clutterbox1830

(395 posts)
20. That was painful to watch. Hope she is alright.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 01:08 AM
Aug 2017

Although I do have to admit that I had to do something similar during high school. It was not for cheerleading, but for hockey.
I was a hockey goaltender and could not do a natural split before. So my coach held me down (with my consent) every practice until I could do it. It was painful, but in my head at the time I knew if I wanted to play goaltender I had to do splits.

peabody

(445 posts)
23. Sort of the same here.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 02:08 AM
Aug 2017

I use to do Tae Kwon Do and they would pair you up with a partner to stretch you. It was always a slow stretch but to a point where it's slightly uncomfortable. But the person being stretched was always in charge and he/she could always say to back off if it got unbearable.

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