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I think du should welcome people who voted for trump and subsequently woke the fuck up (Original Post) elehhhhna Aug 2017 OP
Both of them? we can do it Aug 2017 #1
Ha ha! California_Republic Aug 2017 #11
THANK YOU! AND should welcome those who support(ed) Senator Sanders and elleng Aug 2017 #2
+10000000 Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #5
You go first. Step 1, vote for the Democrat. See how that works? WE don't join YOU. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #8
Been doing that. See how it worked? elleng Aug 2017 #9
+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #13
DU does welcome those who supported Sanders and O'Malley in the primary oberliner Aug 2017 #18
Unfortunately it doesn't seem that way, elleng Aug 2017 #29
I hate to put it this way, but that's sorta Feelz over Realz. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #37
"there's a huge amount of hostility around here" left-of-center2012 Aug 2017 #63
Yes, a lot of people are trying to place blame. elleng Aug 2017 #89
natural process, there are deep divisions, and radius777 Aug 2017 #105
The hostility occurs when there is outright attacks against Dems and the Dem party Fla Dem Aug 2017 #68
A lot of short memories around here. Many Sanders supporters were so hostile... brush Aug 2017 #103
Yes, sadly I think we all notice it. JoeOtterbein Aug 2017 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author clu Aug 2017 #142
This is about the GE, not the primary mcar Aug 2017 #24
People who supported Sanders and O'Malley in the primary and HRC in the general are 100% welcome Maven Aug 2017 #51
From your keyboard to the jurors' screens. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #101
Thank you! zentrum Aug 2017 #61
It's not a matter of who they supported in the primary. It's who they voted for in the GE. Fla Dem Aug 2017 #64
+100000 as well Hulk Aug 2017 #81
If Sen. Sanders supporters voted for Hillary...fine...but if they didn't then no. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #87
Not if they continue to beat the drum against Hillary and the Democratic party nini Aug 2017 #96
Yes, that's not okay, and that's where the line gets drawn. eom sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #134
Agree. ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #104
Voting for Trump pretty much shows a person's true colors. THIS IS WHAT THEY VOTED FOR: MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #116
Thanks. I'm up on current events so I'm well aware of Trump stupidity and antics. ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #118
Then you should understand the reluctance to welcome people who voted for that. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #119
I understand that winning involves voters and turning them away or ignoring them ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #120
Do you understand fallout87 Aug 2017 #130
Do you understand that if we don't secure our voting process it doesn't even matter? MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #144
I haven't seen it, no. fallout87 Aug 2017 #145
DU is not the Democratic Party GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #131
Sheesh, how many times does this need to be sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #136
They ARE welcomed here by the administration - Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #139
Why would Sanders and Omalley supporters need a welcome? SharonClark Aug 2017 #108
If they are willing to vote Democratic hell yeah n/t Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #3
What about the BoB'ers who knew damn well what not voting for Hilalry meant? JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #4
EVERYONE does, that's the idea, elleng Aug 2017 #6
And Hillary too? Control-Z Aug 2017 #20
*Crickets* lunamagica Aug 2017 #27
Back from where? elleng Aug 2017 #30
Let me make this more direct. Control-Z Aug 2017 #54
Certainly, and I never doubted it. elleng Aug 2017 #58
They're welcome to join the party and make contributions. And to read DU. Not to bettyellen Aug 2017 #23
There sure has been and is a lot of mean-spiritedness around here. elleng Aug 2017 #31
There were horrible attacks toward hard working and committed Dems here much of last year- until bettyellen Aug 2017 #44
I am mean spirited and mad as hell at people who claim to be progressives Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #78
The act of not welcoming people who sabotaged the Democratic efforts is not mean-spiritedness. Squinch Aug 2017 #113
Well said! Metatron Aug 2017 #125
+1000 ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #106
Yes, and THANK you, ATL Ebony. elleng Aug 2017 #107
Those BOBers have proven that they are not people we can depend on in the future. I don't Squinch Aug 2017 #111
Yes!!!! Arazi Aug 2017 #53
They get a very warm welcome BainsBane Aug 2017 #65
+1 Yeah & What about the ones now rejecting thier Trump vote but who STILL hate Hillary ?? lunasun Aug 2017 #93
Not sure people's feelings on hillary matter much anymore (except as a litmus test). JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #114
Just figure if they fell for all that and still don't see it as propaganda they will be hooked again lunasun Aug 2017 #115
Do you, now? And just where are these "huge opportunities" for the converted morons? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #7
DU isn't the Democratic Party ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #10
We're not "the party". marybourg Aug 2017 #12
+1 hamsterjill Aug 2017 #17
Who better to guide them, teach them, show them the way? Beartracks Aug 2017 #34
Who better? marybourg Aug 2017 #38
I think you're right. Beartracks Aug 2017 #42
Thank you. Well stated. nt marybourg Aug 2017 #45
How do you teach someone to not vote for a demonstrated bigot, misogynist, racist mocker LuvLoogie Aug 2017 #52
Good answer ! lunasun Aug 2017 #92
You're correct GaryCnf Aug 2017 #14
Yes, IF we are all moving forward. elleng Aug 2017 #32
Skinner disagrees with you obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #15
Redemption is not possible? tymorial Aug 2017 #26
Actually, he said virtually the same thing the OP said. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #141
I didn't read Skinner's statement as an absolute, merely a sentiment implying support of the Democra LanternWaste Aug 2017 #16
Same here. I think the word 'welcome' is key leftstreet Aug 2017 #19
this obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #22
Well this was his original statement which I think was rather clear: seaglass Aug 2017 #95
But this is his most recent statement. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #140
Yeah noticed a few super-literal replies in that thread, along the lines of emulatorloo Aug 2017 #48
NO it was absolute if we are talking about the same post. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #88
Do you mean "Sola Scriptura"? n/t sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #138
Sure, if they did wake up BainsBane Aug 2017 #21
Yes, both of them. haveahart Aug 2017 #25
You mean like all those rust belt guys who were so concerned with economics? You crack me up! Squinch Aug 2017 #28
Yes the guys who called Barack and Hillary dirty Republicans ucrdem Aug 2017 #35
The people who heard him calling Mexicans rapists and murderers solely because they were Squinch Aug 2017 #36
I'm guessing that their support for Kamala Harris would be underwhelming. ucrdem Aug 2017 #46
not to mention his going after Meryl Streep... CTyankee Aug 2017 #57
yea, sure Afromania Aug 2017 #33
It's worth reflecting on the actual definition of "welcome" jberryhill Aug 2017 #39
Of course! emulatorloo Aug 2017 #40
Are there any? Bettie Aug 2017 #41
How would anyone know frogmarch Aug 2017 #43
I'm not against welcoming someone like that. I just don't know any. DFW Aug 2017 #47
I see. So they voted Trump but had an awakening and now support equal rights for women, POC, LGBTQ Maven Aug 2017 #49
this obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #56
people got to start somewhere. People don't just wake up one day entirely enlightened on every issue JCanete Aug 2017 #94
In a couple years we could be welcoming some 20 year olds D23MIURG23 Aug 2017 #98
I'd like to see one of these mythical creatures workinclasszero Aug 2017 #50
They are weak, easily swayed, and malleable bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #55
Please - It's always how do we reach out to idiots who don't know who to vote for XRubicon Aug 2017 #59
If they can stay awake long enough ToxMarz Aug 2017 #60
Right. LakeArenal Aug 2017 #80
I don't. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #62
If they voted for trump they were never asleep mdbl Aug 2017 #66
Our party needs to convince more people in more states to vote for us IronLionZion Aug 2017 #67
You are confusing the Democratic Party with DU. SharonClark Aug 2017 #109
They enabled the pigshit MFM008 Aug 2017 #69
There are many personalities at play here, and ... Whiskeytide Aug 2017 #70
If u voted for Trump ,,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2017 #71
Hard to find one who woke up and says they'll vote Democratic mcar Aug 2017 #72
Woke up to what? Skidmore Aug 2017 #73
NO. If you voted for a pussy grabbing crook...fuck you. Go somewhere else. Augiedog Aug 2017 #74
yep Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #79
I agree--there weren't enough of us in 2016 geek tragedy Aug 2017 #75
You are confusing the Democratic Party with DU. SharonClark Aug 2017 #110
if you voted for a racist pig you are a racist pig .... stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #76
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #117
Nope! leftofcool Aug 2017 #77
I agree but let's be realistic.... steve2470 Aug 2017 #82
I find it amusing pecosbob Aug 2017 #83
Seems they are more than welcome to read. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #84
If they are genuinely interested in electing Democrats, why would they discuss 2016? yardwork Aug 2017 #85
I suspect the percentage... pat_k Aug 2017 #86
Fuck no. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #90
The purist attitude here askyagerz Aug 2017 #91
Sure, but I don't think such a person should run around bragging that they voted for Trump... D23MIURG23 Aug 2017 #97
I have no problem peggysue2 Aug 2017 #99
FIRST THEY NEED TO TAKE A ETHICS COURSE Demonaut Aug 2017 #100
The few that criticize Trump will vote for a GOPer next election. Hoyt Aug 2017 #102
Of course... Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #112
Yes I think so. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #121
I don't see the problem, as long as their conversion is real Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #122
Abso-freakin-lutely. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #123
Does that even wash out? n/t Mr. Ected Aug 2017 #124
if they really woke up they would apologize for it and accept why people are upset JI7 Aug 2017 #126
I don't like the foul language but agree 100% that we need ALL Dems; Past, Present and FUTURE! JoeOtterbein Aug 2017 #127
And we need a primer on how our 2 - party system works Freddie Aug 2017 #129
No. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #132
Are there... 3catwoman3 Aug 2017 #133
So, people who went out of their way, ignoring all our warnings, still voted for the Orange Thing? icymist Aug 2017 #135
If the Republicans rigged the election than that needs to be fixed first!! yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #137
Sure... Mike Nelson Aug 2017 #143

elleng

(131,370 posts)
2. THANK YOU! AND should welcome those who support(ed) Senator Sanders and
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:05 PM
Aug 2017

Governor O'Malley. Imagine that, UNITY!

The anti-'other' threads here really irritate me.

WAKE UP, folks, and TRY to imagine winning!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. DU does welcome those who supported Sanders and O'Malley in the primary
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:19 PM
Aug 2017

Assuming that they went on to vote for Hillary in the general.

elleng

(131,370 posts)
29. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that way,
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:36 PM
Aug 2017

there's a huge amount of hostility around here. I suspect you notice it.

emulatorloo

(44,268 posts)
37. I hate to put it this way, but that's sorta Feelz over Realz.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:51 PM
Aug 2017

Criticism of the minority of Sanders supporters is not criticism of the majority of us at DU, who supported Bernie in the primary and voted for the Dem nominee in the general.


I do agree that there are some hostile folk around here but IMHO it is just a very loud handful. Most DU'ers don't hold those views.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
63. "there's a huge amount of hostility around here"
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

A lot of people looking back to place blame,
instead of trying to unite to fight the GOP in 2018 and 2020.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
105. natural process, there are deep divisions, and
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:27 PM
Aug 2017

papering over them does nothing for the future of the party.

Lets face facts here, the mostly white Sanders left disliked Hillary, and the heavily diverse Obama center-left liked and supported her.

Such divisions are likely to reemerge in 2020, especially with PoC centrists like Corey Booker likely to run.

Fla Dem

(23,879 posts)
68. The hostility occurs when there is outright attacks against Dems and the Dem party
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:02 PM
Aug 2017

No one says we're perfect and improvements can't be made. Opinions for the most part are welcome until they cross the line into negativity, finger pointing and blame. None of that attitude will move this party forward. Yes we need unity to win in 2018 and again in 2020. But bringing sour attitudes, snark and sniping to the discussion is not bringing unity.

brush

(53,973 posts)
103. A lot of short memories around here. Many Sanders supporters were so hostile...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:07 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:58 PM - Edit history (1)

during the primaries towards Hillary and her supporters it felt like Sanders Underground around here. Sanders OPs were 75% of the posts and the BoBers were extremely hostile to Clinton supporters, alert stalking and getting posts hidden.

The recent post welcoming those who voted for Clinton in the GENERAL ELECTION is clear.

That does not exclude Sanders supporters who voted for Clinton in the general, only those who selfishly, stubbornly and foolishly did not vote for our party's nominee in the general election.

Response to oberliner (Reply #18)

mcar

(42,466 posts)
24. This is about the GE, not the primary
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:27 PM
Aug 2017

Lots of Sanders and O'Malley primary supporters here who voted for the Democratic nominee. The DU Terms of Service clearly states the rules.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
51. People who supported Sanders and O'Malley in the primary and HRC in the general are 100% welcome
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:13 PM
Aug 2017

Stop pretending as if they aren't because we refuse to cater the holdouts and dead-enders who sabotaged our party and the country for the sake of their own egos.

Fla Dem

(23,879 posts)
64. It's not a matter of who they supported in the primary. It's who they voted for in the GE.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:56 PM
Aug 2017

HRC was the Democratic nominee. Democrats should vote for the Democratic candidate.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
81. +100000 as well
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:48 PM
Aug 2017

Why are we splitting hairs here?

I posted and feel my post was very possibly misunderstood as well. Threads are not the best way to convey a complete thought at times, and on subjects as volatile as this, the possibility of being attacked for a misunderstanding occurs more than we might appreciate.

nini

(16,672 posts)
96. Not if they continue to beat the drum against Hillary and the Democratic party
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:46 PM
Aug 2017

That's what is not ok.



ATL Ebony

(1,097 posts)
104. Agree.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:10 PM
Aug 2017

I wouldn't waste time trying to win over diehard republicans but definitely wouldn't close the door on any potential voters that strayed. I first voted in the Carter GE and have voted democratic (straight ticket) ever since. Others who have done the same but got caught up in the Trump-hype and either voted from him or "sat out" the election for whatever reason certainly can have remorse and I wouldn't dare shun them. It's a turn-off. A welcome mat is what they should receive instead of discouragement to come back -- it's the bases of who are as caring people.

I was really shocked and saddened that they aren't welcomed here.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
116. Voting for Trump pretty much shows a person's true colors. THIS IS WHAT THEY VOTED FOR:
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:27 PM
Aug 2017

Just a small sampling:

You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it, you can do anything.

Grab them by the p***y, you can do anything.



“You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.”


@ariannahuff is unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man- he made a good decision.


@realDonaldTrump how much would it take for you to make out with Rosie O'Donnell?" One trillion, at least!


While Trump was in court, during a lawsuit over a failed property project in Florida, lawyer Elizabeth Beck asked for a break.

Trump and his team objected, wanting proceedings to continue, but Beck pointed out she needed to feed her three-month old daughter, pulling out a breast pump to prove it.

Trump said in an outburst: "You're disgusting."

He then walked out of the room, ending proceedings for the day.


“I would never buy Ivana any decent jewels or pictures. Why give her negotiable assets?”


If Hillary Clinton can't satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?


26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?


About Carly Fiorina: Look at that face. Would anybody vote for that?


"Wonderful looking while on the ice but up close and personal, she could only be described as attractive if you like a woman with a bad complexion who is built like a linebacker".


“I have days where, if I come home — and I don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist,” the Republican said, “but when I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof.”


“I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing,” said Trump. “Unfortunately, after they're a star, the fun is over for me. It's like a creation process. It's almost like creating a building. It's pretty sad.”


They said, ‘How are you going to change the pageant?’ I said ‘I’m going to get the bathing suits to be smaller and the heels to be higher’.


Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father...


Asked by Williams what she and her father had in common, Ivanka replied "either real estate or golf."

Her father? He said: "Well, I was going to say sex, but I can't relate that to her" - pointing at his mortified daughter.


“If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”


Now, somebody who a lot of people don’t give credit to but in actuality is really beautiful is Paris Hilton.

I’ve known Paris Hilton from the time she’s 12.

Her parents are friends of mine, and the first time I saw her she walked into a room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that?’


It must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees.


Leering at a 10 year old girl: "I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?" he is heard saying of one of them.


He says women throw themselves at him: “They’ll walk up, and they’ll flip their top, and they’ll flip their panties.”


“He asked the men to rate the women - he went down the line and asked the guys, ‘Who’s the most beautiful on the women’s team?’"


'You have to treat 'em like s----'.


It doesn't really matter what (they) write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of a**.


“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud”


"There has to be some form of punishment," Trump told MSNBC, referring to women who would seek to defy the ban.

Trump reversed his position two hours later, with a statement saying that he would punish doctors who performed abortions but not the women themselves.


“I was going to hit her with her husband's women and I decided I shouldn't do it because her daughter was in the room," he told Fox News.


Machado's name had been raised by Hillary Clinton, during the first Presidential debate, when she accused Trump of having called the model "fat". Miss Machado claimed Mr Trump also called her "Miss Piggy" and "Miss Housekeeping" after she won the Miss Universe pageant, which he owns.


“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.”


“Our great African-American President hasn’t exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore.”


“It’s freezing and snowing in New York – we need global warming!”


“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.”


“I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are more beautiful.”


“The point is, you can never be too greedy.”


“I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist.”


“Who wouldn’t take Kate’s picture and make lots of money is she does the nude sunbathing thing. Come on Kate!”


“I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down”


“You have a bunch of bad hombres down there. You aren’t doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn’t, so I might just send them down to take care of it.”


“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”


“I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.”


“Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?”

















MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
119. Then you should understand the reluctance to welcome people who voted for that.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:51 PM
Aug 2017

Instead of welcoming people who would vote for those values, we should be securing our election process and laws so that the majority of voters are actually being represented. I do not for a minute believe that Republicans won all the seats they won last year legitimately.

I think the fact that Hillary registered 3,000,000 more votes despite the rigged machines, hacking, and propaganda wars might just show that the majority of people are actually already on our side.

ATL Ebony

(1,097 posts)
120. I understand that winning involves voters and turning them away or ignoring them
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:56 PM
Aug 2017

would be contrary to a winning strategy.

Look I hate what happened in 2016 as much as anyone but refuse to beat a dead horse. I would rather look at future elections and how to corale or salvage those that may have strayed vs dismiss them as useless or unworthy of a dialog.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
130. Do you understand
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:13 AM
Aug 2017

That we need to flip votes in 2020 to beat Trump in the swing states? Being angry at all of them and writing them off serves no good other than to make you feel better. Let's get our message out and prove our platform is the best for Americans.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
144. Do you understand that if we don't secure our voting process it doesn't even matter?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:09 AM
Aug 2017

All this ridiculousness about what we need to do when we did everything right and the KGOP stole it all regardless. Have you seen the recent indictment of the election official who changed vote totals in favor of Trump and other conservatives? Do you seriously think with the evidence of cyber war being waged, hacking, gerrymandering, unjust voting laws, foreign money pouring in to top Rethug senators, etc. etc., that this was an isolated incident?

Fuck anyone who actually pulled the lever for those assholes. Our fucking message was spot on. Do you really think our message was worse than Grab Them By The Pussy?

Give me a fucking break.



 

fallout87

(819 posts)
145. I haven't seen it, no.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 10:16 PM
Aug 2017

I mean, really, why isn't it at the top of the NYT's, WaPo, and every other reputable newspaper?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
131. DU is not the Democratic Party
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:23 AM
Aug 2017

The Democratic Party welcomes all voters.

We here on DU are people who want to talk to like minded people.

I do not come here to convince people to vote Democratic. I do that in other ways.

sprinkleeninow

(20,268 posts)
136. Sheesh, how many times does this need to be
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 02:05 AM
Aug 2017

reiterated.

This site is a destination where 'Democrats' submit posits to discuss all things DEMOCRATICAL!.

Here is where we of 'one mind and one accord' gather.

Ms. Toad

(34,126 posts)
139. They ARE welcomed here by the administration -
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 02:32 AM
Aug 2017
For those people who can't figure it out, the bottom line with regard to the 2016 General Election is this: If you were able to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 but you chose not to -- and you don't regret your terrible decision -- then we don't want you here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=13026

some of the general membership, not so much.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
108. Why would Sanders and Omalley supporters need a welcome?
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 12:39 AM
Aug 2017

They never left and have always been part of DU.
Some people need to quit fighting the primary.
Some people need to quit confusing the Democratic Party with DU.
Some people may be sad that they can"t post multiple ops a day about their preferred primary candidate.

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
4. What about the BoB'ers who knew damn well what not voting for Hilalry meant?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:06 PM
Aug 2017

Do they get a prodigal-son welcome reunion, too?

elleng

(131,370 posts)
6. EVERYONE does, that's the idea,
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:08 PM
Aug 2017

UNIFY and WIN, EVEN those who have been at DU since May of 2017. WELCOME.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
54. Let me make this more direct.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:42 PM
Aug 2017

Do you now accept and welcome Hillary as an important leader of the Democratic party?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. They're welcome to join the party and make contributions. And to read DU. Not to
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:26 PM
Aug 2017

Come hear and preach to us when they did something completely mean spirited and idiotic politically less than a year ago. We've had a lot of good people driven off by mean spirited people, it's not worth it.

They have the rest of the web, aren't entitled to join us here. But Sanders and O Malley supporters who voted Dem are welcome here- always have been. And you know that, so I'm not sure why you're casting aspersions on DU like that. Unfounded.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
44. There were horrible attacks toward hard working and committed Dems here much of last year- until
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:56 PM
Aug 2017

The primary started. Not being a member of DU does not mean they can't help Dems in other ways. This site is supposed to be for people who fully support the Dems when the shit hits the fan.

Many of the most mean spirited last year were actually working very vocally against Dems. Skinner hasn't forgotten the negative impact on Dems who called DU home, and that's a good thing. There are plenty of places with little to no standards, I'm not sure why people who dislike the standards here don't flock to them. Oh yeah, they suck- and they'd rather disrupt here. No thank you.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,134 posts)
78. I am mean spirited and mad as hell at people who claim to be progressives
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:42 PM
Aug 2017

who non stop attacked Hillary.

Squinch

(51,084 posts)
113. The act of not welcoming people who sabotaged the Democratic efforts is not mean-spiritedness.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:19 AM
Aug 2017

It is survival.

At this moment, thanks in part to those who voted for third party assholes or refused to vote for Hillary because their candidate lost the primary, the republic is hanging by a thread.

We don't have time to be courting people who see their vote as a personal expression of their relative superiority to the rest of us Democrats. We need people who can be depended on to pragmatically use their vote to oppose racism, sexism, oppressive evangelicism, corruption at the highest levels, and a general return to the middle ages.

I take my responsibilities seriously. I have no respect for those who use their vote as a tool of their own vanity.

elleng

(131,370 posts)
107. Yes, and THANK you, ATL Ebony.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:51 PM
Aug 2017

Hard to believe this thread has lasted this long, but I guess it shouldn't be, so many invested on turning their backs.

Squinch

(51,084 posts)
111. Those BOBers have proven that they are not people we can depend on in the future. I don't
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:12 AM
Aug 2017

particularly have any interest in what they have to say. I do not welcome them.

They are a small, stupid minority who are not likely to be satisfied with any Democratic candidate who appeals to voting segments that don't look like themselves.

We could eclipse their numbers with effective get out the vote efforts, which is where our efforts should go.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
93. +1 Yeah & What about the ones now rejecting thier Trump vote but who STILL hate Hillary ??
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:38 PM
Aug 2017

Because emails Benghazi and Wall Street
They will probably vote republican or independent next time around
Possibly could vote Dem
but probably not

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
114. Not sure people's feelings on hillary matter much anymore (except as a litmus test).
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:47 AM
Aug 2017

Highly doubtful she runs again at her age after already losing the 2008 primary and 2016 general. I'm somewhat doubtful she even takes an official leadership role in the democratic party again either.

At this point she's more of a democratic spiritual leader... so the practical application of liking or not liking er doesn't matter. Now regardless of who someone actually does or doesn't like, so ling as they dislike trump and will vote against him, that is all that really matter. As long as they stand against trump, that matters more to me than whether they even like Sanders or Hillary, or Kamala Harris, ... or whoever. #justnottrump

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
115. Just figure if they fell for all that and still don't see it as propaganda they will be hooked again
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 11:57 AM
Aug 2017

by some other BS next time.
If they just have trump buyers remorse but still think Hillary was worse , even now, they are not reality based just disillusioned by trumps term
Maybe next time those folks will vote for someone worse than Trump because (insert new fake dem scandals)

marybourg

(12,648 posts)
12. We're not "the party".
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:13 PM
Aug 2017

We are a community of committed Democrats.

They do not fit that mold. They'll have the opportunity to adhere to Democratic principles and Democratic candidates next time there's an election. Then and only then will they have earned our attention.

I don't think they have anything to offer us right now.

Beartracks

(12,835 posts)
34. Who better to guide them, teach them, show them the way?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:43 PM
Aug 2017

Imagine the prodigal son returning home, the door is slammed in his face, and he hears through the wood: "Go stay with your crazy uncle!"

That kind of rejection could be enough to make him think that coming to his senses wasn't worth it, and he leaves.

================

marybourg

(12,648 posts)
38. Who better?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:52 PM
Aug 2017

Local Democratic clubs, listening to and watching non-right wing media, reading non-right-wing newspapers and periodicals, history and biographies.

When they've absorbed all that middle of the road stuff and haven't started to rant about immigrants, gays and feminists again, then maybe they can be likened to "prodigal sons". But 7 months after the election, they have no call on our patience, forbearance and experience.

And I for one, have none to give them, nor do they have anything to offer us yet.

Beartracks

(12,835 posts)
42. I think you're right.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:55 PM
Aug 2017

This may not be the best place for conversion, but rather for the converts.

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LuvLoogie

(7,069 posts)
52. How do you teach someone to not vote for a demonstrated bigot, misogynist, racist mocker
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:36 PM
Aug 2017

Of the disabled, who promises to build a racist wall, and institute a racist travel ban, because he promises you more money? My educated cousin voted for Jill Stein. (which was a vote for trump)

They can maybe cut the lawn and take out the trash, maybe wash the dishes a few times before they think about getting a dinner invite and telling me how to cook and arrange my kitchen.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
14. You're correct
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:15 PM
Aug 2017

BUT, as you mentioned in your comment the FBOP, no one knows how you voted. No one knows how anyone voted.

The only people who this will affect in a practical sense are: (1) those who feel such guilt that they feel compelled to do a mea culpa in which case I would recommend a priest ; and, (2) those who have no guilt and want to rub this really horrible loss in the faces of people.

As long as we are all moving forward instead of obsessing over the past this shouldn't exclude anyone who would like to see our Party get stronger.

Ms. Toad

(34,126 posts)
141. Actually, he said virtually the same thing the OP said.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 02:39 AM
Aug 2017
For those people who can't figure it out, the bottom line with regard to the 2016 General Election is this: If you were able to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 but you chose not to -- and you don't regret your terrible decision -- then we don't want you here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/125912898#post5

But it apparently didn't suit the agend of the people who quoted the first two comments to also quote his final comment.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. I didn't read Skinner's statement as an absolute, merely a sentiment implying support of the Democra
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:16 PM
Aug 2017

I didn't read Skinner's statement as an absolute, merely a sentiment implying a necessary support of the Democratic platform as our unifying theme.

I learned in church many years ago that a literal reading of any text, lacking context, nuance, history and current sentiment, would result in my own lack of relevant perspective of the text I'm reading.

Though should anyone desire to engage in textual literalism, I won't try to talk them out of it...

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
19. Same here. I think the word 'welcome' is key
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:19 PM
Aug 2017

People who didn't vote for HC and are vocal about will probably not feel very welcome

Same for anyone who voted for Trump and has changed his/her mind

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
95. Well this was his original statement which I think was rather clear:
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:42 PM
Aug 2017

The price of admission to DU after this election is your vote for Hillary Clinton (or your support for her if you are not eligible to vote in the United States). If you are able to vote, but you can't bring yourself to vote for Hillary, then I'm not particularly interested in listening to your bullshit for the next four-to-eight years. I don't care if you live in the bluest of blue states or the reddest of red states, if you are looking for excuses to vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson or god forbid Donald Fucking Trump, then this isn't the place for you. Fortunately for you, there are plenty of other places on the Internet where you can get your Hillary-hate on, and some of them are even filled with former DU members.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10137542

Ms. Toad

(34,126 posts)
140. But this is his most recent statement.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 02:34 AM
Aug 2017

For those people who can't figure it out, the bottom line with regard to the 2016 General Election is this: If you were able to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 but you chose not to -- and you don't regret your terrible decision -- then we don't want you here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=13026

emulatorloo

(44,268 posts)
48. Yeah noticed a few super-literal replies in that thread, along the lines of
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:00 PM
Aug 2017

my daughter is too young to vote would she be welcome at DU

BainsBane

(53,127 posts)
21. Sure, if they did wake up
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:25 PM
Aug 2017

but not people who voted for Trump, Stein, or did some other ratfuck move but aren't the least bit sorry. Those people can go fuck themselves with a Tiki torches, just like their Nazi allies in Charlottesville.

If someone's response to the GE loss was election was that the 16.9 million who voted for Clinton in the primary should have relinquished their votes to a self-entitled minority, they reveal an abiding contempt for democracy and the democratic rights of citizens less privileged and, on average, less affluent than themselves. If they then use that or anything else as an excuse for refusing to vote for Clinton in the GE, they are self-entitled narcissists whose egos and values are perfectly reflected by the narcissist in the White House. That is an evil I will not forgive, ever.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
35. Yes the guys who called Barack and Hillary dirty Republicans
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:44 PM
Aug 2017

and then voted for a Republican. Let's reach out.





Squinch

(51,084 posts)
36. The people who heard him calling Mexicans rapists and murderers solely because they were
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:47 PM
Aug 2017

Mexican, the people who saw him ridiculing a disabled man, who heard him brag about the fact that he is a serial molester, who watched his campaign that was filled with nothing but racist dog whistles, and who then voted for him.

And who are TOTALLY sincere now that they stand for NONE of those things!!16!3

Uhhh.... sure.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
57. not to mention his going after Meryl Streep...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:45 PM
Aug 2017

MERYL STREEP! Only the best loved actress in the world...

Afromania

(2,771 posts)
33. yea, sure
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:41 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:31 PM - Edit history (1)

long as they check the I voted for him because ________ excuses at the door. I, personally, don't want to hear any of that shit at this point. That guy has been flogging the coded racist rhetoric horse since the day they put his stupid ass in office. Anybody coming around now has long missed the boat out of that particular "forgiveness" dock.

Not only do they need to be repentant "former" trump voters need to apologize immediately. Followed by a complete repudiation of trump, republican policies and non repentant trump voters. They will also need to show easily verifiable proof of them doing so. Collaborated by no less then 3 independent non associated parties. You tell me you voted for trump and are just now figuring out what he is? Then it's simple I... do.... not... trust... you.... I'm fully expecting you to try and stab me in the back with your vote at the earliest convenient opportunity.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
39. It's worth reflecting on the actual definition of "welcome"
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:53 PM
Aug 2017

Some people are welcome in my home. Other people can visit and I put up with them.

I haven't served on the DU Welcome Wagon in a while. Perhaps ones who are not officially welcome just don't qualify for the fruit basket.

emulatorloo

(44,268 posts)
40. Of course!
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:54 PM
Aug 2017

But we are not really seeing many Trump voters who regret it yet. Will take time still. And there are some who will continue to support him no matter what, about 20 to 25% of total 2016 voters

Bettie

(16,147 posts)
41. Are there any?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:54 PM
Aug 2017

The people I know who voted for him still say he's doing a fine job.

He still expresses his hate for the groups they also hate and that's enough for them.

Seriously, are there any who would not vote for him again?

DFW

(54,502 posts)
47. I'm not against welcoming someone like that. I just don't know any.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:59 PM
Aug 2017

I mean, sure, they MUST be out there. There must be a few coal miners in West Virginia and Kentucky who are thinking, "I wouldn't have bought snake oil from Snidely Whiplash, so how the hell did I buy those scam speeches of Trump's?"

But I haven't read any such posts by people wanting to join DU as new converts. "I see the light" seems to be a truthful statement only when restricted to people who look at solar eclipses with protective lenses. The few Trump voters I have interacted with either still think they made the right decision, or else say, "well Hillary would have been just as bad or worse," but never admit that they know better except to the person they see in the mirror while brushing their teeth, and even then only on every second Tuesday of the month.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
49. I see. So they voted Trump but had an awakening and now support equal rights for women, POC, LGBTQ
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:08 PM
Aug 2017

etc? Because they had no idea that Trump wasn't for those things? Are there lots of unicorns where you live too?

Or is it just that we are opening our arms to straight white "economic anxiety" voters no matter what their other views, and damn all the core constituencies of the Dem party?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
94. people got to start somewhere. People don't just wake up one day entirely enlightened on every issue
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:06 PM
Aug 2017

, because its not a matter of a change of heart...its a matter of new information and new perspective. You don't want to invite people to have those discoveries...you want them to pick themselves up by their bootstraps while you extend no hand in the process. Smart.

Shaming and browbeating only works if there aren't communities that they can still feel safe in. Sure, people want to be liked and accepted, but putting the bar higher than they are able to leap at this time will simply make them appreciate just how much they don't belong in your club. Instead, they'll find people of like mind who have it all ass-backwards where they can feel good about themselves. And guess what...they'll continue to fucking breed, and that bubble of ignorance is only going to grow larger.

D23MIURG23

(2,851 posts)
98. In a couple years we could be welcoming some 20 year olds
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:18 PM
Aug 2017

who were 18 when they voted for Trump and are rapidly learning about the world they live in.

When I was 17 I was sad that I couldn't vote for Ralph Nader in the 2000 election. By the time 2004 rolled around I was glad that having an April birthday had saved me from dishonoring myself; W was more than enough to change my mind about whether there was "a dime's worth of difference" between the parties. Maybe if I'd been older I would have noticed during Reagan's tenure, but he was gone by the time I had any awareness of politics. My parents were also republicans and I was taught to be suspicious of Democrats when I was growing up.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
50. I'd like to see one of these mythical creatures
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:09 PM
Aug 2017

I guarantee the next right wing republican after Dump will play the race card and they will jump right back into the hate.

They live for that evil shit!

XRubicon

(2,213 posts)
59. Please - It's always how do we reach out to idiots who don't know who to vote for
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:48 PM
Aug 2017

If they wake up or somehow gain 50 IQ points they will be with us anyway...

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
66. If they voted for trump they were never asleep
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:59 PM
Aug 2017

they were just sitting in their own denial of the facts. They will just do it again when the most idiotic repuglican runs again.

IronLionZion

(45,633 posts)
67. Our party needs to convince more people in more states to vote for us
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017

going forward. Trump repeatedly proving his unprecedented shittiness is obviously not enough. Our wins have to be large enough that they can't steal it from us. We need much higher turnout and many more people knowing what we stand for and feeling inspired to take time out of their busy workday to vote.

Their side may be salaried, but our side has a lot of hourly wage workers who lose money when they spend a few hours waiting in line in an overcrowded urban polling place.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
70. There are many personalities at play here, and ...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:12 PM
Aug 2017

... you have to be tuned into them to understand the DU thought process.

Just about all DUers are - understandably - pissed off at anyone who voted for Trump (it doesn't matter why). There will be little quarter for them on this forum because you can't rationally explain that vote.

Some DUers are especially pissed off at BOBers who voted for Trump - again, understandably - because that aided in the election of Trump. There is a special hatred for them, I think, because their claims to be "progressive" are considered hypocritical, and because they have inflicted pain on people at risk under Trump's policies. They are considered worse than someone who merely voted for Trump out of stupidity because they should have known better.

Some DUers harbor only slightly less hatred for BOBers who voted third-party because they claimed to be progressives but stupidly wasted their vote and indirectly aided Trump. They might still be able to claim progressive bona fides, I guess, but they failed simple game theory reasoning, and that was pretty dumb. Many here don't distinguish between this group and the preceding group, but some do.

And finally, some here are pissed at ANY Bernie supporter - even if they voted for HRC in the GE - because they believe Bernie supporters (actually the Sander's campaign itself) caused the rift in the party that allowed Trump to slip in. These are the posters who can't help but remind you - again and again - that Sanders WAS NOT a democrat, he WAS NEVER a democrat, and that he had no business running in the Dem primary in the first place.

Even though we're not supposed to re-fight the primary, that is all some posters here do. I have seen some very artfully re-fight the primary in a post simultaneously admonishing another poster for re-fighting the primary. I suppose it's still too recent, and it was such a devastating loss. And every shit move by Trump - which of course happens every damn day - just reinforces that resentment. It has been hard for some to let November go and re-focus on what's next.

But time will heal most of the wounds. At least it has in the past. So give it time. If 2018 rolls around and DUers are still typing "FUCK OFF" to anyone who comes here looking for guidance, direction and good advice, ... well, ... at that point we're in much bigger trouble than concerns over the diversity of thought on a message board.
.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
71. If u voted for Trump ,,,,,,
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:13 PM
Aug 2017

there is no "waking up". and no cure for ur disease no matter how u feel it!

mcar

(42,466 posts)
72. Hard to find one who woke up and says they'll vote Democratic
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

I'd like to see proof that even one exists.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
73. Woke up to what?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:22 PM
Aug 2017

Look for a more mainstream GOP candidate to support? After disruptors trolled DU from the left & right last election, constantly ripping at our Democratic Party candidates, I have precious little trust of what someone claiming that status might drag with them. DU survived a hacking and a purge of many disruptors here for the sole purpose of destroying any chance of winning elections. These people gamed the system and drove longstanding respected members away by attacking democratic values and constituencies. I left for a while because of it and stayed away for a bit longer after becoming seriously ill. With that history in mind, a reminder of how important these elections are should be kept in mind and caution exercised. I would like to see considerable energy directed toward shoring up the ground game for Democratic Party candidates.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
75. I agree--there weren't enough of us in 2016
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

Or in 2014.

Or in 2010.

Even 2012 was a mixed bag.

We aren't in a position to turn people away.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
82. I agree but let's be realistic....
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:53 PM
Aug 2017

Saying publicly here that you voted for Trump is akin to putting a huge sign on your back that says "Hey I'm a dumbass and voted for the RACIST SEXIST NAZI IN CHIEF".... That person will get no end of grief over the years.

If I was a person who voted for Trump, I'd just keep my mouth shut and join the site quietly. I damn sure wouldn't be proud of it. They should be ashamed of themselves, and make up for it by dedicating their future voting careers to the Democratic Party.

pecosbob

(7,548 posts)
83. I find it amusing
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 06:56 PM
Aug 2017

that the Rethuglicans want to purge those they consider too far left, and the new 'Democrats' also want to purge those they consider too far left.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
84. Seems they are more than welcome to read.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:00 PM
Aug 2017

No need to listen to them drone on in a year about how great Trumps process Mary opponent is. He's not Trup, after all.

Discussionist and JPR are open for business.

yardwork

(61,784 posts)
85. If they are genuinely interested in electing Democrats, why would they discuss 2016?
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:07 PM
Aug 2017

There might be people who voted for Trump in 2016 who have awakened from whatever stupor they were in and now plan to support Democratic candidates. If so, I would assume that they wouldn't go around DU mentioning their ill-informed vote in 2016. In other words, if they have genuinely changed, we won't know that they once supported Trump.

If, on the other hand, they go around DU bragging about their 2016 vote for Trump or a third party candidate, I'm going to assume that they're a troll. They can go back to JPR or Stormfront.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
86. I suspect the percentage...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:11 PM
Aug 2017

...of people who voted third-party, wrote in Sanders, or withheld their vote entirely in some kind of protest, or whatever, who have since become staunch Democrats is very small, but not non-existent. People can, and do, evolve politically.

Skinner's blanket statement that "This site only welcomes people who voted for HRC in the GE" does not reflect the Terms of Service I agreed to abide by as a member. I agreed to this:

Do not post support for Republicans or independent/third-party "spoiler" candidates. Do not state that you are not going to vote, or that you will write-in a candidate that is not on the ballot, or that you intend to vote for any candidate other than the official Democratic nominee in any general election where a Democrat is on the ballot. Do not post anything that smears Democrats generally, or that is intended to dissuade people from supporting the Democratic Party or its candidates. Don't argue there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Why we have this rule: Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government, and as such we expect our members to support and vote for Democrats at election time. Rare exceptions are granted at the sole discretion of the DU Administrators. (Current exceptions: None.)


As I read the above, if you do not advocate, and cannot foresee a situation in which you would consider voting for anyone other than a person running as a Democrat in a general election AT THE TIME you join or post, you are welcome. If your position changes, and you choose to support a candidate running under a different party banner in a general election, you should terminate your membership.

Here's the clarification I need:

Does "This site only welcomes people who voted for HRC in the GE," mean that a person who voted for Stein, or didn't vote, who, at the time they join or post, is committed to doing everything in their power to make sure Democrats prevail in future General Elections, and who has no intention to advocate voting against Democrats, is nevertheless violating terms of service by virtue of their past action?

If it means that, the terms of service need to be revised to reflect that.

And if this restriction is made explicit in the Terms of Service, it must necessarily be a blanket restriction, because the belief that underlies it is that people are incapable of evolving politically, and anyone who ever identified as a member of another party, or who voted against (or failed to vote for) the Democratic candidate is forever suspect and stained, and therefore barred from participating on this Democrats Only site. To apply the restriction to some, but not all elections, would be capricious and arbitrary. By what objective criteria would you draw the line? who decides which elections of the past many decades it was ok to vote "Not Democrat" and which it was not? Do we bar all Nader voters? Do we bar all Perot voters? Do we bar all Anderson voters? McKinney voters? Is the restriction based on results? Is the problem that Hillary lost? Would you bar all "not Hillary" voters if she had won? If the objective criteria boils down to results, it would be a rule meant to punish in a way that strikes me "nasty" and therefore inconsistent with DU principles.

I need clarification because I may well be a member in violation. In 1980, I voted for John Anderson. In 2008, in the GE in NJ (where Obama led by double digits), I voted for Cynthia McKinney. I did not advocate voting for McKinney here, but she was running on vital issues and I wanted to be counted among the people supporting them. I am not, and never have been "a Green." In NJ Obama's victory was safe. I didn't vote for McKinney because I had turned Green. It was cast purely to demonstrate support for principles and changes that, as a Democrat, I believe the Democratic Party should be stronger on. If that vote makes me a traitor to the party who needs to be ostracized, I would like to know it.
 

liquid diamond

(1,917 posts)
90. Fuck no.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:22 PM
Aug 2017

Those assholes have blood on their hands. trump showed them exactly who he was during the campaign. There is no "waking up".

askyagerz

(776 posts)
91. The purist attitude here
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 07:23 PM
Aug 2017

Is a good representation of why dems only control like 6 states at the moment. I understand keeping the assholes out but I never see a welcome mat for new recruits. Just because someone has a different idea then you doesn't necessarily make them a moron. As long as they are willing to vote democrat then their opinions should be heard without telling them how horrible of people they are. We should be here to help educate not ridicule like a bunch of elitists or immature adults. Maybe kick out the people who use fat jokes everyday not potential voters just because they might be... gasp... against abortion.... This is a numbers game not a purity test.

D23MIURG23

(2,851 posts)
97. Sure, but I don't think such a person should run around bragging that they voted for Trump...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:05 PM
Aug 2017

To put this in the context of the other threads that have been circulating on the topic.

Context also matters. I would probably rec a thread that showed up on here from a former Trump supporter writing a mea culpa and explaining their change of heart. I seem to remember a few threads like that back in the Bush years.

I would not take kindly to someone writing about how they voted for Trump as a one time thing "to teach the party brass a lesson" or some such thing. I get tired of self righteous anti-establishmentarians and their smugly misplaced fuck yous.

peggysue2

(10,849 posts)
99. I have no problem
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:29 PM
Aug 2017

with voters who are honest and sincere, who perhaps in the moment assumed Hillary was far enough ahead that they could afford a 'vote of conscience' by not voting. Or wrote in Bernie or voted for Stein for whatever reason. As long as they admit they got it wrong because the frigging nightmare we're facing now is an existential threat. Not simply to the Democratic Party but the whole freaking country.

But then, it requires humility which sadly is in short supply these days. if you want to read a note of contrition, I invite you to read a post over at Cannonfire by a poster named Jay, someone on the Far Left who realizes how wrong he was last November. You'll find it under the headline "That Dossier (updated)" in the comment section.

I admire this poster's honesty. We're on the same page. Because we're Democrats, regardless of where we find ourselves on the political spectrum. And that's how we win in 2018.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
112. Of course...
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 08:16 AM
Aug 2017

But imho, it's still perfectly legit to ask just what in fuck's name where they thinking if their vote was motivated by anything other that Hillary hate or outright racism

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
122. I don't see the problem, as long as their conversion is real
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:03 PM
Aug 2017

There is a difference between letting in Trump voters who are still fascists, and then letting in people who voted for him but were horribly mistaken, and because of that have now become progressive. Trump is a one-off in that you will never see another Nazi like that run again. I trust our mods to make sure they stay on the straight and narrow, making sure they aren't obvious Nazi (Republican) trolls.

Keep in mind that many of these woke former Trump voters have friends who still think they like Trump, but haven't been exposed to clear, rational thought that progressive agendas mandate. Once they have been here awhile, they can start to work on their friends, particularly with the midterms coming up soon.

aikoaiko

(34,186 posts)
123. Abso-freakin-lutely.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:08 PM
Aug 2017

It was so discouraging to see prominent DUers shot people out.

The "support Democrats" rule used to be a forward looking rule -- not a past test of general election voting purity of just one Democrat.

Didn't vote for Jimmy Carter -- come on board as long as you support Democrats now.

Didn't vote for Walter Mondale -- come on board as long as you support Democrats now.

Didn't vote for Michael Dukakis -- come on board as long as you support Democrats now.

Didn't vote for Al Gore -- come on board as long as you support Democrats now.

Didn't vote for John Kerry -- come on board as long as you support Democrats now.

Didn't vote for Hilary Clinton - you're dead to us.



JI7

(89,287 posts)
126. if they really woke up they would apologize for it and accept why people are upset
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:16 PM
Aug 2017

and would have no problem with it.

JoeOtterbein

(7,703 posts)
127. I don't like the foul language but agree 100% that we need ALL Dems; Past, Present and FUTURE!
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:27 PM
Aug 2017

And YES we have to pick up EVERY new DEM!

Freddie

(9,279 posts)
129. And we need a primer on how our 2 - party system works
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:57 PM
Aug 2017

That even if you "don't like" the system or parties in generally (especially only 2), WE'RE STUCK WITH IT unless/until we go to runoff voting (like France) or a parliamentary system. Both of which things are extremely unlikely for now. So in the GE, one of the 2 major candidates will win.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
135. So, people who went out of their way, ignoring all our warnings, still voted for the Orange Thing?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 01:52 AM
Aug 2017

It would be like inviting Benedict Arnold back because he's now sorry. No. The only opportunities we would miss is to be trolled into division yet again.

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