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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:23 AM Aug 2017

Gene Lyons - The 'Lost Cause' Is Fake History

Full article posted with the permission of the author. -- Don

If your precious “Southern heritage” includes Swastikas, you may as well quit reading right here. But odds are astronomically high that it doesn’t. The vast majority of Southerners are as repelled by those goons as everybody else.

Rebel flags, in comparison, strike me as merely adolescent. Yee haw!

Well, it’s time to grow up.

If that annoys you, answer me this: Since when is Southern history strictly white history anyway?

Most of these Confederate monuments commemorate not so much the South’s glorious history of slavery and rebellion, but the bloody advent of Jim Crow laws between 1895 and 1925 or thereabouts. A time of “race riots”—i.e. black citizens massacred by white mobs across the region from Atlanta (1906) to Elaine, Arkansas (1919) to Tulsa (1921)—and of widespread lynching.

A time when the Klan-glorifying epic Birth of a Nation (1915) was screened at the White House for President Woodrow Wilson.

Ironically, rebel soldier statues were a Yankee industry. A factory in Connecticut manufactured the fool things by the hundreds and shipped them south to stand guard facing north on courthouse squares. A pointed reminder of exactly who was in charge. Specifically, the Ku Klux Klan.

There was nothing subtle about it. Photographs of Charlottesville’s equestrian statue of Robert E. Lee being dedicated in 1924 show that many in attendance wore KKK regalia. Contrary to the art critic in the White House, the statue’s not being destroyed. Plans are to relocate the monument to a park on the outskirts of town—just as Confederate statues taken down at the University of Texas will be placed in a museum, where they belong.

Latter day Confederate sympathizers who feel the need to genuflect to Fake History can visit them there. (Fake horsemanship too. I have a friend indignant about the bronze Gen. Lee’s cruelly over-cranking the bridle, something the real Lee—an excellent rider—would surely never have done.)

But make no mistake: Fake History it is. The treasured myth of the “Lost Cause” of freedom-loving patriots fighting bravely for self-determination and “states’ rights” can’t survive even a cursory reading of secessionist documents.

Here’s Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, arguing that its “cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the Negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first in the history of the world based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

Nobody talks that way anymore except guys with Swastikas. It’s no exaggeration to say that the virulent racism they preach was invented precisely to rationalize the evil of slavery. Nevertheless, that’s what the Civil War, the bloodiest tragedy in American history, was all about. Protecting and defending chattel slavery, a grotesque remnant of human history. There’s nothing to be gained by pretending otherwise.

That said, I think there’s also no point in a struggle to tear down every half-forgotten Confederate memorial across the South. The war’s over and Jim Crow is gone; millions of Americans now living in the region have little interest in this aged feud. Besides, people have a right to their illusions.

As somebody who had no ancestors living in the United States at the time of the Civil War, maybe that’s easy for me to say. However, as an Irish-American who has always thought St. Patrick’s Day was nonsense (especially the vomiting in the gutters part), I’ve no sympathy with tribalized politics of any kind. Certain aspects of everybody’s past, their historical “identity” if you will, are best forgotten. Fighting over symbols gets you nowhere.

Writing in The Guardian, Lincoln biographer Sidney Blumenthal has a good idea. Instead of tearing monuments down, why not build new ones up?

“States and localities,” he suggests, “should establish commissions to build new monuments, statues and memorials, particularly across the South, to commemorate the heroes of the anti-slavery struggle, the unionists during the civil war, advocates for Reconstruction, foes of Jim Crow and champions of the civil rights movement.”

An example of what he means can be found in Arkansas, where I live. Yes, the State Capitol grounds feature the traditional monument to Johnny Reb. But also a striking monument to the Little Rock Nine, a group sculpture depicting the brave African-American students who defied a segregationist mob to enter Little Rock Central High School under the protection of the 101st Airborne in September 1957—Arkansas’ most historically significant event of the 20th century.

People visit the memorial from far and near. To my knowledge nobody finds it controversial.

Cemeteries too are appropriate places to memorialize the Union and Confederate dead. Meanwhile, if it’s history and heritage you want, visit Gettysburg, Vicksburg Memorial National Park, or Appomattox Courthouse among many others. Carefully-preserved Civil War battlefields are scattered across the South: real history, and solemn remembrance.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/lost-cause-fake-history/
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Gene Lyons - The 'Lost Cause' Is Fake History (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2017 OP
Wish Gene Lyons could be printed in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette sinkingfeeling Aug 2017 #1
The Civil War was not fought over slavery FakeNoose Aug 2017 #2
BWahahahahahahaaaaa spanone Aug 2017 #3
OFFS Cosmocat Aug 2017 #4
Absolutely! iluvtennis Aug 2017 #16
"I'm not a history major" Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #6
the reason for most states to secede was slavery Lithos Aug 2017 #7
And West Virgina came about maddiemom Aug 2017 #19
Yep Lithos Aug 2017 #29
Here's a History Instructor atreides1 Aug 2017 #8
Great video.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #14
Fantastic, thanks for sharing! Pacifist Patriot Aug 2017 #17
Thank you for this video, in 5.50 minutes Colonel Ty demolishes the myth ChubbyStar Aug 2017 #30
Wow. That's actually produced by "Prager University", set up by the conservative talk radio host muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #32
Perhaps that sort of stuff is peddled in sanitized South-friendly textbooks. byronius Aug 2017 #10
It absolutely is Major Nikon Aug 2017 #23
It was over states rights .. cannabis_flower Aug 2017 #26
That wasn't the issue Major Nikon Aug 2017 #31
Oh how CUTE! "It was not about slavery". That's rich. Aristus Aug 2017 #11
Recommended Reading bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #12
Back it up a bit and ask yourself... Pacifist Patriot Aug 2017 #15
strongly disagree. H2O Man Aug 2017 #20
This is a link to the Articles of Secession of South Carolina, cannabis_flower Aug 2017 #24
Nice Drive By ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #25
That's as tired a fake talking point as "The German Nazis were leftists!!!11!!1!1!" stevenleser Aug 2017 #28
Nope, just saw it yesterday on Twitter. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #34
Funny, you don't mention WHY the Southern states wanted to secede. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #33
Good read malaise Aug 2017 #5
Given what passes for history isn't the real story, fake history ran the field in the past. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #9
This chilled my blood: Moostache Aug 2017 #21
The OP states that cemeteries are proper SCVDem Aug 2017 #13
Forget new museums. Store them with the dead submarines and other nuclear waste... hunter Aug 2017 #27
I just need to offer a correction. It is not true that "many in attendance wore KKK regalia" Nitram Aug 2017 #18
I can kind of understand SteelSmasher Aug 2017 #22
So, let's just put up more statues and make sure "both sides," or is it "many sides," Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #35

FakeNoose

(32,883 posts)
2. The Civil War was not fought over slavery
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 09:56 AM
Aug 2017

I'm not a history major, but one thing I learned in school is that the Civil War was fought over secession, not slavery.

When the Southern states quit the Union and started their own Confederacy, it was a declaration of war. Abraham Lincoln had no choice but to fight the Confederacy even though it was the last thing he wanted to do. He used many strategies during that war, and the Emancipation Proclamation (freeing the slaves) was one of them. But Lincoln's motive was never to end slavery, it was to preserve the Union at all costs.

I think we're getting a little crazy now with all this talk about the neo-Nazi neo-Confederate white supremacy blah-blah-blah. But let's not rewrite history and pretend the Civil War was about something else. Lincoln and the Northern States went to war against the Confederacy in order to preserve the Union. When the Confederacy ended those same states were welcomed back with open arms.

Thanks for listening.

Cosmocat

(14,584 posts)
4. OFFS
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:18 AM
Aug 2017

If slavery had not existed, there was not even the first thought of secession by southern states ...

Everything else is straight bullshit or enabling the bullshit.

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
7. the reason for most states to secede was slavery
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:42 AM
Aug 2017

Was very clear in the speeches and rhetoric being used to justify secession. The big exception is Virginia which originally voted down secession on those grounds, but voted for secession once the troops started to mobilize and they felt they were going to be caught in the middle and were forced to choose a side.

The question which people should ask is what motivated people to fight beyond the political Casus Bellli. I think the mere fact that from 1862 onward, Armies had to be maintained by broadening conscription showed that Slavery was insufficient. Also, much of the rhetoric and letters from the troops showed that it came down to Honor, Duty and Obligation to their family, their state and to their Country - and typically in that order. In the end, the South struggled with trying to come to grips with the failure of the war and trying to understand why they had to pay such a price. The failure of Reconstruction contributed to the popularity of the "Lost Cause."

So, while most of the memorials were erected during the time when the veterans were passing on, there was also a movement at the same time to justify the pains and memories during this transition and unfortunately Lost Cause was a large part of it. Do I think it was a conspiracy against the Blacks? No, the monuments were not built for the freed blackmen, but for the whites.

While i can sympathize with the desire to honor the memory of the veterans (those memorials built at that time) as they passed, I think many of the memorials contain language and symbology which while reflective of the mood at the time, is woefully inappropriate for today. I do agree with the article above that removing these memorials still maintains the biggest sin of all - the omission of the history of the Slaves, the Freedman, and their descendants. Energy would I think be better spent addressing this than trying to have the emotional culture battle which does nothing but politicize the dead.



maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
19. And West Virgina came about
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:39 AM
Aug 2017

when Virginia finally did secede and, largely, the western part of the state disagreed, and,in turn, "seceded" from Virginia. Funny, but there weren't many plantations in this more mountainous area.

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
29. Yep
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:30 PM
Aug 2017

It also didn't hurt that most of those counties were under Union Control fairly early on. McClellan gained prominence with the early victories in that area.

atreides1

(16,106 posts)
8. Here's a History Instructor
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:46 AM
Aug 2017

As you say you're not a history major!

But, Colonel Ty Seidule, head of the Department of History, US Military Academy, West Point, is!!!


&feature=youtu.be


Thanks for watching!
 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
14. Great video..
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:15 AM
Aug 2017

thanks for posting...

It shoots holes through every one of their tired arguements/ talking points..

muriel_volestrangler

(101,411 posts)
32. Wow. That's actually produced by "Prager University", set up by the conservative talk radio host
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:44 PM
Aug 2017

Dennis Prager. Good to see they'll talk straightforwardly about it.

byronius

(7,410 posts)
10. Perhaps that sort of stuff is peddled in sanitized South-friendly textbooks.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:49 AM
Aug 2017

It's patently untrue. I'm not a history major either, but I love reading history. Some several hundred books later about this exact event, and I will absolutely disagree with your conclusion. The South seceeded to preserve a dysfunctional economic system based entirely on forced human labor. And when the Confederacy ended they were not weclomed back with open arms; both sides were full of bitter resentment that still resonates. Clearly.

Details. More reading. A dusty general chapter in a 1970's textbook will not suffice. The old 'secession not slavery' chestnut is factually incorrect, serves the Klan well, and is easily demonstrable.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
23. It absolutely is
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:02 PM
Aug 2017

There is a concerted white-washing effort in the south and thanks to Texas setting the standards for schoolbooks it has migrated to other places. You will hear people repeating this lie authoritatively as if they know what they are talking about, but it's complete and absolute bullshit that's very easily debunked. The fun part is when you quiz said full of shit experts about what they think the war was fought over and they will inevitably say "states' rights" which is another easily debunked heaping pile of bullshit. The South made no bones about the fact that the war was over slavery and a direct affront to the states' rights of the North that freed slaves upon entry. You can find this in an abundant trove of all sorts of confederate documents, but one need look no further than every single one of the Ordinances of Secession.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
31. That wasn't the issue
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:11 PM
Aug 2017

Nobody was telling the South they couldn't have slavery in their own states. The issue was they couldn't continue to proliferate slavery into other areas.

Aristus

(66,522 posts)
11. Oh how CUTE! "It was not about slavery". That's rich.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:57 AM
Aug 2017

The South seceded because they wanted to perpetuate slavery. We fought the war to preserve the Union torn apart because of slavery. Halfway through the war, Lincoln announced his intention to abolish slavery. Just before the war ended, slavery was legally abolished. Just after the war, the 14th and 15th Amendments were passed to ensure that no one would ever be forced to serve as a slave, except under legal penalty, and that all, including former slaves, would have the right to vote.

Did you not read the article cited in the OP?

It was about slavery. Sorry about that...

bucolic_frolic

(43,476 posts)
12. Recommended Reading
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:59 AM
Aug 2017

the recently published "Six Encounters with Lincoln: A President Confronts Democracy and Its Demons" by Elizabeth Brown Pryor.

I would call this Lincoln outside the traditional history. Everyone studies the Civil War, the Douglas debates. She digs deeper into the meetings and letters that contemporaries had with Lincoln throughout his life. He inherited a political powderkeg it is true, and a disintegrating Army, but he managed with political appointees most of whom were either inept or in it for themselves, he was not popular as mismanagement of the war swayed public opinion against him, and while a supporter of equal rights he also, as late as 1863, encouraged black American leaders to leave the country to found colonies - self-deportation - and begin their own countries because he did not think the white and black races could coexist. Let's not mention native Americans. The US violated every treaty, grabbed land and resources, clipped payments of currency made to the various nations, even while some political appointees kept native American mistresses. Indian nations did little better in negotiating with the confederacy.

Lincoln seemed unable to view the world as seen by the other side. He thought resupplying Fort Sumter under cover of darkness would be seen as non-combative. It is also true that it didn't matter - no one was listening to him anyway.

cannabis_flower

(3,769 posts)
24. This is a link to the Articles of Secession of South Carolina,
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:09 PM
Aug 2017

the first state to secede. Notice the word slave, slaveholding or slavery appear 18 times in this document. In fact slaveholding is mentioned in the first paragraph.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century

ProfessorGAC

(65,381 posts)
25. Nice Drive By
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:11 PM
Aug 2017

Might want to rethink your post, or consider self-deleting. You've been schooled by several here, and no replies, no retraction.

Just silly.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
28. That's as tired a fake talking point as "The German Nazis were leftists!!!11!!1!1!"
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:26 PM
Aug 2017

I notice people have at least stopped trying to peddle the "Leftist Nazis" B.S. as of late.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
9. Given what passes for history isn't the real story, fake history ran the field in the past.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:46 AM
Aug 2017

In fact, fake history won out and we have a warped sense of white male supremacy as a result. The entirely of English language and Western "civilization" is the triumph of slave nations colonizing the rest of the world. The free world lost and the militaristic slave hunters won. And the slavers qwrote history and burned any books not according with the history they wanted to project forward. Somewhere shy of 100 million people died in the Americas post-Contact and that story was muted. The United States engaged in two centuries of genocide and displacement, and that story is still muted. Fake history still rules the day and Native Americans are still in concentration camps.

Translation from the Codice Franciscano of the Royal Decree relative to the General History of the things of New Spain:

"The King. - Mr. Martin Enriquez, our Viceroy, Governor and Captain General of New Spain, and President of our Royal Audience thereof. From some letters which you have written us we have understood that Brother Bernardino of Sahagun of the Order of Saint Francis has composed a Universal History of the most noted things of New Spain, which is a very copious computation of the rites, ceremonies and idolatries which the indians used in their infidelity, divided into twelve books and in the Mexican language; and though it is understood that the zeal of said Brother Bernardino has been good, and with the wish that his work bear fruit, it does not seem convenient that this book be printed or distributed in any form in those parts, for (some origins of consideration) several reasons; and so we command you that after you receive this our decree, with much diligence you procure those books and without there remaining original or some translation, you send them with good security on the first occasion to our Council of the Indies, for their review; and you are given notice to not consent that in any form some person write things which appertain to superstitions and the way of life which these indians had, in any language, because so agrees with service to God, our Lord, and (with) our (service)." Madrid, 22nd of April of 1577. Signed: "I the King"


1637 - Following the burning of the Pequots by the Puritans Cotton Mather expressed gratefulness to the Lord that they had
"sent 600 heathen souls to hell."
1644 - Order from General Court of the Colony of Massachusetts Bay:
"noe Indian shall come att any towne or howse of the English uppon the Lords day, except to attend the public meetings; neither shall they come att any English howse uppon any other day in the week, but shall first knocke att the dore, and after leave given, yo come in..."
1782 - Brackenridge "... the animals vulgarly called indians."
Ben Franklin observed that rum should be regarded as the agent of Providence
"to extripate these savages in order to make room for the cultivators of the earth."
Senator Thomas Hart Benton of Missouri:
"the whites should supplant the indian because Whites use the land according to the intentions of the Creator."

Contact population estimate for USA is 12 to 25 million.
1850 Native American population was 250,000.


White supremacist heritage teaches that Anglos are the civilized ones, what with a few years of democracy in one Greek town once, when in fact the West is the epicenter of the millennia of slavery, the Dark Ages, and religious fundamentalist rationalization of genocide spreading around the globe.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
21. This chilled my blood:
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:55 AM
Aug 2017
Senator Thomas Hart Benton of Missouri:
"the whites should supplant the indian because Whites use the land according to the intentions of the Creator."


My god...the abject horror...
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
13. The OP states that cemeteries are proper
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:00 AM
Aug 2017

places for these monuments. I agree with that. Dead is dead.

YET, we have Hollywood Forever and one in Milwaukee among others taking down even the most low key monuments which most don't know exist and never looked at anyway.

So who is going to pay for new museums? Existing ones including the Smithsonian have enough in storage to do another complete museum.

hunter

(38,349 posts)
27. Forget new museums. Store them with the dead submarines and other nuclear waste...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:20 PM
Aug 2017

... at the Hanford Site in Washington.

These monuments to oppression and slavery are toxic, maybe even more so than nuclear waste.

Nitram

(22,951 posts)
18. I just need to offer a correction. It is not true that "many in attendance wore KKK regalia"
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:35 AM
Aug 2017

at the dedication of the statue of Lee in Charlottesville in 1924. the pointy white things do indeed look like KKK sheets, but they are not. According to the actual archivist and source of that image, those white things are PLUMES ON HATS worn by the boys in the Richmond Light Infantry Blues.

<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/martindj1/36730894016/in/dateposted-friend/" title="lee_dedication"><img src="" width="640" height="447" alt="lee_dedication"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

SteelSmasher

(35 posts)
22. I can kind of understand
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:56 AM
Aug 2017

A lot of people want to take pride in the accomplishments of their ancestors and old leaders. But what do you do when those people were awful? What I don't get is why they don't just venerate the founding fathers instead.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,776 posts)
35. So, let's just put up more statues and make sure "both sides," or is it "many sides,"
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 11:11 PM
Aug 2017

are represented? No. That's what got us into this Trump mess. Media always presenting "both sides" even when one side was a lie.

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