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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 01:01 AM Aug 2017

Trump 'seriously considering' a pardon for Joe Arpaio.

So much of what has been written about the 'possible pardon' has been along the lines of 'this will be a shout out to the alt-Right'. Or that it will be a signal that you are above the law if you are on Trump's side.

But, my opinion, is that it would be much worse than that. It would be a signal to the entire court system that Trump doesn't care about them and will overrule them whenever he, and he alone, thinks they are wrong, regardless of law or evidence. Remember that Arpaio was convicted of Criminal Contempt of court. What message would a pardon send to the judicial system, when Trump is willing to pardon Criminal Contempt - for perjury and refusing to obey a court order? It would be an absolute slap in the face to the entire judicial system. Perjury? No problem. Refusing to obey a judicial order? Never mind.

Trump has decimated the State Department, appointed the most singularly unprepared Cabinet, and in a number of cases appointed people who are actually opposed to the mission of the department they are supposed to be running. He is actively attacking members of his own party, attacking the press, attacking anyone who doesn't 'bend a knee' to King Trumpsie.

Now with the Phoenix 'rally' coming up, is Trump actually trying to start a national 'civil war' between the left and the alt-right? A upswing in violence to the point that he felt he could declare Martial Law? With the number of generals in the White House advising Trump, how far are we from a military 'take over' - whether via Martial Law, or an actual coup where the generals and the military deem it a necessity to take over the White House until they can 'restore order'?

I am afraid. I am very afraid.

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Hekate

(90,500 posts)
1. Just realize that Trump is shit-stirring. Again. It's what he does for shits'n'giggles.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 01:17 AM
Aug 2017

Only a week or so ago people (well, some people here) were in a panic of wanting the generals to overthrow the government because the Mad Toddler King was going to get us blown away in a nuclear cloud.

But then he lost interest in that particular toy and forgot it. Yeah, I know, how in hell do you forget to start a nuclear war?

Pardoning the loathesome Arpaio is his latest noisy rattle. Look at all the people jumping up and down! Funny people! Look at the sheriff getting his hopes up -- will the funny sheriff smoochy the toddler's ass before being dropped like a hot coal?

Trump either will or won't do it. I recommend trying to beat Boston in numbers of peaceful protestors in Phoenix. Show up.

But don't lose sleep over the latest rattle being banged on the high chair tray.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
3. of course he is.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 01:25 AM
Aug 2017

Except "considering" means there is actual thinking involved.

It's probably been a done deal for a while.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. I hate Arpaio so much I've been ignoring the trial.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 01:28 AM
Aug 2017

So, this was a federal crime not a state one? Trump can only pardon federal crimes so is the state going to charge him or was this just a huge expensive legal goof up?

spanone

(135,767 posts)
8. here are sheriff joes 'controversies'
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 08:08 AM
Aug 2017

Unconstitutional jail conditions

Improper clearance of Maricopa County Sheriff's Office cases

Failure to investigate sex crimes

Justification for ignoring sex crimes

13-year-old rape victim ignored

Feuds with judges and County Supervisors

Abuse of power

Election law violation

Misuse of funds

Munnell memo

Staged assassination plot

Federal grand jury abuse of power inquiry

Immigration law enforcement

Racial profiling

Melendres v. Arpaio racial-profiling class-action lawsuit

Investigation of Federal Judge and DOJ

Justice Department investigation on racial profiling

Lack of cooperation with Department of Justice

Findings of racial profiling

Loss of authority to identify illegal immigrants

United States v. Maricopa County, racial-profiling lawsuit

Obama's birth certificate conspiracy theories

Conviction for contempt of court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
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