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http://www.playboy.com/articles/tina-fey-cakeBy Tom Carson
August 18, 2017
When Tina Fey vented about Charlottesville, neo-Nazis and Donald Trump while cramming her mouth with handfuls of a sheet cake decorated with an American flag on Weekend Update: Summer Edition last night, the internet went nuts. Love Tina Fey, but Im REALLY not feeling her Ignore racism and stress-eat instead take. It strikes me as willfully naive and privileged, bloggers Tom & Lorenzo tweeted. Tina Feys 'Eat Cake Strategy After Charlottesville Is Bad Advice, The Daily Beast somberly opined.
Thanks for that sharp insight, Daily Beast. The only problem with it is that Fey isnt in the advice-giving business. Shes in the satire business, so dont call us crazy for suspecting that when she urged viewers outraged by white nationalisms depredations to find a local business you supportmaybe a Jewish run bakery or African-American run bakeryorder a cake with the American flag on it and just eat it, she was mocking a clueless attitude, not endorsing it.
To anyone who took to Twitter to complain that her recommended solution to Trump-induced stress looked like white privilege in action, all we can say is bingo. Weve watched the routine more than once, and its brilliant. Its a brainy, self-lacerating caricature of how easily Trump-phobic vanilla liberals with relatively pampered lives, knowing theyre at little or no risk of being oppressed or marginalized themselves during his reign, can settle for venting their genuine but ineffectual rage without consequences.
Since the likes of Fey dont feel remotely threatened (and would sound crazy if they pretended to be), they arent under any real pressure to convert their anger into action. Thats how anger ends up turning into self-gratification by other means. Well never know how anyone could watch her stuffing her face until her lips were covered in goo as she tried to spit out anti-Trump, anti-Nazi venom while choking down another biteeven Lucille Ball was never crueler to herself for a jokes sakeand imagine that Fey was earnestly proposing this as a good coping strategy. Not only was it satire, but it was pretty damn brutal satire in the bargain.
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Behind the Aegis
(54,052 posts)SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)Treat these rallies this week as you would the opening of a thoughtful movie with two female leads: dont show up. Let these morons scream into the empty air. I love you Charlottesville, and as Thomas Jefferson once said, Whos that hot light-skinned girl over by the butter churn?
For a joke to be a joke, it has to actually be funny. This bit was not.
http://jezebel.com/tina-feys-vexing-self-parody-1797975376
Fey's barbs at Trump and the militias were indeed funny. But the call to inaction and the rape joke, even if meant as "satire" of a "clueless attitude," is not funny. Not everything Tina Fey does is funny. I can live with that. Why can't you?
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)satire play
noun sat·ire ˈsa-ˌtī ( -ə ) r
Definition of satire
1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn
2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly
Wit is lost on the witless.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,411 posts)but is somehow 'mansplaining'? Are you saying that a man can never comment in any way on anything any woman does, even if it's to praise it?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)verily, 'tis a conundrum.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,773 posts)SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,773 posts)Most of our best and brightest-men and women-of the last few decades have published there, and been interviewed by them.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)PCIntern
(25,642 posts)all those years if I were looking for nasty-ass release material, I wouldn't go to Playboy for it: there was Juggs, Hustler, Penthouse, Screw (AKA Al Goldstein's Mag as it was described in the mainstream press). Playboy had it all: literature, satire, jokes, cartoons by some of the finest artists in America who draw for a living, political commentary, information on food, liquor, and stereo (!), and art among many other things. Yes it had pix of very hot ladies but after a while they became ordinary and the reading material jumped out at you. The list of authors who published in Playboy is remarkable and the interviews were first-rate.
dsc
(52,172 posts)maybe he was hoping I would be straight, who knows. But despite my lack of interest in the pictures I found the articles to be rather fascinating. I remember that it had the only interview with Daniel Ortega to name one example. For those who aren't pushing 50, Daniel Ortega was the leader of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua when I was in college.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,411 posts)which makes it still less "mansplaining". A man saying to men that a woman did a great job but without making it about her being a woman, or it being about gender at all? It's as far from "mansplaining" as you can get.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)This whole "explanation" is basically about making the statement that the people who didn't find the "stay home" (and slave rape) lines funny are just too stupid to realize it was all satire. That is a pretty arrogant attitude, and tends to be found among men who think it's cool to look at women as sex objects (the reason Playboy exists) and think women are too stupid to understand things.
Folks that didn't find those lines funny get that it was a comedy skit. We're not stupid, thank you. We just didn't find it funny.
Fey seemed way too sincere about imploring us to stay home for it to be funny, particularly since she is not known to engage in street protests herself. And does anyone really think a joke about raping slaves merits a hardy guffaw?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,411 posts)At no point did he say that it was women who disagreed with him. He is agreeing with a woman, Tina Fey.
I get that you disagree with Fey, but if Carson had written what you have, then it really would be 'mansplaining'. He would be a man telling a woman what was or wasn't acceptable to say about rape.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)I don't think it is a coincidence that Carson is a man, and his tone, and the fact that he published his piece in Playboy. But women can mansplain too, just like women can be sexist and discriminate against other women.
JimmyCarlBlack
(1 post)No, mansplaining is being condescending specifically to women. Nothing in the OP's post even hinted that he was speaking specifically to women.
Second, your point is not in response to his point. You keep saying "my point isn't that people don't get it's satire, my point is that it's simply not funny." Beyond what should be the obvious which is that funny is in the eye of the beholder and it's not up to you decide what's funny for others, there are in fact thousands of people who have criticized this skit by taking it at face value and not realizing that it's satire. Just because you may have realized it was satire (which you didn't find funny as you've reminded us over and over again
) doesn't mean that everyone else did. The OP is responding to the existence of many, many responses to Fey that took her words literally and thought she was actually calling upon people to do nothing but eat cake. Go do a little google search if you don't believe me.
Not everyone who disagrees with you and explains why is mansplaining. To use that term when it doesn't apply is just going to create a boy-who-cried-wolf dynamic.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)A man joined the site just to mansplain that to you!
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)Thanks for pointing that out, DesertRat!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,134 posts)90-percent
(6,834 posts)The Indian of the group. welcome to du.
-90% Jimmy
obamanut2012
(26,181 posts)And, this has nothing to do with mansplaining.
The link is in OP is dead on.
People are embarrassing themselves attacking Tina Fey over this. IT IS SATIRE.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)I like Tina Fey. That doesn't mean I have to like everything she does or that I don't have a good sense of humor or that I don't understand what satire is.
It really is stunning how angry some people are over folks not finding a joke funny.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)Here's two other posts in this thread.
One where I say her other lines were funny:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9491531
And one where I say I don't disagree with Fey, I just think a couple of her jokes weren't funny:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9493331
So is that why so many people are so worked up over some of us not finding her "stay home" line funny? They think we're attacking Fey?
Demit
(11,238 posts)There's no correct way to respond to humor. You can lay out what you don't think is funny, and why, but you can't tell other people that your reaction is right and theirs is wrong. That's all. Not everything Tina Fey does is funny TO YOUyes, I can live with that.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)C'mon.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)So NBC did let her say that.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)You'd have to ask them why they thought that was reasonable.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The Sally Hemmings bit was off but the rest was pretty damned funny satire.
gordianot
(15,253 posts)The very existence of these disaffected self proclaimed white
Males who embrace victimized is an existential threat to civilization. Ignore Nazi's at your own peril much like an American white male version of the Islamic State.
Their numbers may be small now but the hate they represent is real. This is something that Tina Fey or any of us for that matter has ever experienced before. Binge eating ignoring the problem is probably how this will happen. Confronting them on the street feeds the hate and violence, they seem to enjoy it. Having a Fascist Demagogue for President obviously has consequences and Trump is counting on that to survive. I wish I had an answer other than I will never become a Fascist Racist myself nor will I ever vote for a Republican who are ultimately responsible for creating the monstrosities growing among us.
Brainstormy
(2,381 posts)is not funny? This kind of satire is immensely useful. Better than bullets for changing minds. I can't believe all the colossal point missing going on over this skit .
gordianot
(15,253 posts)Tina Fey like the rest of us does not know how to deal with it I do not condemn her. Humor just does not seem to work this is not a funny moment. Now the Spanish Inquisition after several hundred years may be funny. We do seem to have suffered from "Springtime for Trump in America".
Brainstormy
(2,381 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)In fact, I'm pretty sure there's a straight mathematical inverse correlation between someone's ability to laugh at themselves, and the amount that they are full of shit.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)MichMan
(12,002 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)action himself, hated it and it bothered him my Dad liked it. So go figure.
MichMan
(12,002 posts)I think it was very telling just how people took things a lot less seriously back then in a time when WWII wasn't really that far removed. While I was a child at the time and didn't fully understand the genocide, I now think it was very interesting that people who lived through the war years could accept this show without getting all bent out of shape, as they understood that it made the Nazi's out to be buffoons.
If TV execs proposed this today "Hey what about a comedy about a Nazi POW camp!" , there would be outrage, protests and demands that they be fired. It would never see the air.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Saw too. I know he had friends blown up right in front of him, had life long PSTD. But he didn't want me to worry about him, so he mostly joked about it. He joked about his bullet wound came from me biting his leg. After he'd been shot, he watched German soldiers kill downed prisoners rather than take them prisoner. He pleaded with them in a good natured way in the few words of German he knew and they did spare his life. Yeah, the prison camp was probably a relief for him.
femmedem
(8,210 posts)I protest, I campaign for Democrats, I donate. And I stress eat. I thought it was hilarious.
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)knocked on hundreds of doors for Democrats and donate what I can but I still thought Tina's skit was hilarious. It is funny in the same dark way that graveside jokes are funny to nurses and ambulance crews who deal with death day to day. It apparently is not for everyone and will not be appreciated by the faint of heart.
Link to tweet
"If I encounter a white supremacist, I'll follow Tina Fey's advice and make sure he gets the sheet caked out of him." - Jay Kuo (@nycjayjay)
solara
(3,836 posts)Killer stuff. For me, this was a brilliant piece of satire. Biting, scathing, insightful and very funny.
I don't always laugh at satire, especially political satire, and I don't always get all of the points being made. But I admire and embrace the artfulness and the teaching aspects of it.
Tina is brave and original and very talented.
Just my two cents.
G_j
(40,372 posts)she is as sharp as she is hip.
Paladin
(28,283 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)Too bad some people can't see beyond 2-D literal interpretations.
K & R
samnsara
(17,658 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,773 posts)at least she got people talking about the problem.
marybourg
(12,648 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)This is a known issue with people gaining weight form stress eating since the election because of the stress of the Trump era. My sister's doctor use that exact terminology when talking about many of his patients putting on some weight.
I thought the cake hit that mark on top of it being a 'white sheet' cake.
People are so used to be outraged all the time that they miss the message in satire. Whether one finds it 'funny' or not is one thing. but to see people accuse her of some of the stuff they are is ridiculous.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,249 posts)judesedit
(4,443 posts)judesedit
(4,443 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)much attention.
IronLionZion
(45,628 posts)when they generally ridicule whatever is happening in current events and make jokes about everything and Tina Fey is absolutely brilliant at it. Yet this one video was supposed to be serious?
Anything on SNL is NOT serious. Her bit reminds of when DUers (like me) have posted links to Trump rally tickets and encouraged people here to NOT sign up for as many free tickets as possible so that there would be empty seats. Or like during prohibition when former wineries would sell grape juice with yeast and other ingredients and tell people DON'T do these things or you will end up with illegal wine.
SunSeeker
(51,797 posts)Or at least some of us who didn't think it was funny. And it's not because we don't like Fey or want to attack Fey. Those lines just did not make us laugh.
Don't know why so many here got so worked up over some of us not finding Fey's "stay home" line and slave rape joke funny.
samnsara
(17,658 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,791 posts)All comics have to find their niche and serve up the funny knowing they won't reach all demographics. They live dangerously, but they make us look at ourselves and help keep perspective.
When comics make fun of women, I laugh along when it's a universal truth or frustration about how women act. I draw the line at insulting women for their appearance. But that's my line. Everyone finds theirs and gets to decide when to move on.
My take on her sheetcake was that he's making everyone crazy. That's all. She was mirroring my insane feeling in my head when I turn on the TV and someone says "President trump." I could be driven to eating sheetcake. I get it. She's never been one to tell anyone what to do. Others get into the meat of the policy. She just made fun of Palin's stupidity, not her policy.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)"Proposal, A Modest."