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Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
8. I disagree, Gandhi knew that he was going to get beaten up
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:18 PM
Aug 2017

He took the morale high ground.

Weapons have no place at a protest.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
9. Good for Gandhi
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:28 PM
Aug 2017

There is absolutely no law, no rule, no holy writ, that says a person can't defend themselves if attacked. If Gandhi chooses not to, that is his choice and his right and I respect that. That is not my way. I choose to defend myself if attacked. And that is also my right.

Learn to respect that as well. We should not have to be beaten and assaulted just to conform to your ideals of protest. I respect your choice if that's what you choose to do. Respect me and my right to self-defense as well.

Coventina

(27,223 posts)
11. Gandhi also wasn't facing Nazis. He was facing the British.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:33 PM
Aug 2017

The British were racist and treated the Indians horribly, but they weren't Nazis.

The British at their worst were not as evil as the Nazis at their best.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
13. I gotta disagree about the Brits at their worst vs the Nazis at their best
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:20 PM
Aug 2017
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html


When peaceful protesters defied a government order and demonstrated against British colonial rule in Amritsar, India, on 13 April 1919, they were blocked inside the walled Jallianwala Gardens and fired upon by Gurkha soldiers.

The soldiers, under the orders of Brigadier Reginald Dyer, kept firing until they ran out of ammunition, killing between 379 and 1,000 protesters and injuring another 1,100 within 10 minutes.

Brigadier Dyer was later lauded a hero by the British public, who raised £26,000 for him as a thank you.

Coventina

(27,223 posts)
14. Hogwash. There was a major inquiry into the massacre.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

And it was condemned by the British government.

Only those in favor of the Raj thought Dyer was a hero, the British public as a whole despised him for it.

If Nazis had done such a thing, they would have been praised for it by Hitler.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
16. 379 to 1000 protesters killed?
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:48 PM
Aug 2017

The Nazis would kill that many in a few hours, every day, for years on end, in the extermination camps alone. That's not even counting the millions of battlefield casualties they caused. And that was official state policy. The British massacre was an aberration done by a rogue and sadistic indidual, not a part of official state policy.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
5. It's the truth and we should not allow ourselves to be associated with violent Antifa extremists.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:01 PM
Aug 2017

Antifas did come armed for battle. Not smart, but very (very) stupid for liberals to think these nuts are on "our side."

Antifa helps the Nazis. They should be condemned and driven away from peaceful protests.

Ms. Toad

(34,126 posts)
17. Not so easy to drive them away.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:52 PM
Aug 2017

I have a friend in the Charlottesville who was working diligent for at least the run-up to the event with a muti-faith group to try to ensure folks on our side were peaceful, but they were unable to make a dent in the Antifas insistence on both presence and willingness to use violence as a tool. She was very disheartened.

forgotmylogin

(7,539 posts)
6. If you reserve a site for a "peaceful demonstration"
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:02 PM
Aug 2017

And then load in your torches and your shields and your guns and your swords and your sticks and your bats...

That's not a demonstration, that's holding a piece of property by force.

Solly Mack

(90,800 posts)
7. Racism is violent. You don't counter protest a celebration of hate without protection.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:03 PM
Aug 2017

Doesn't mean you're looking for trouble. Means you're trying not to get harmed. I'm sure Fox and other enablers of racism would love it if people stayed home and never protested against hate. That would make the haters feel as if other people agreed with them.

But you are talking Fox, so...



kacekwl

(7,026 posts)
12. Why can't we have a protest without
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:33 PM
Aug 2017

confronting the other side ? Why go looking for them ? We can't protest in a separate location and get the message across ? Seriously is there a reason ?

spanone

(135,924 posts)
15. that's all they got? so how many people did they kill? or injure?
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:27 PM
Aug 2017

and where did they hide their cache of weapons?

utter bullshit as we've come to expect from faux

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