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WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 01:15 PM Aug 2017

Joy Reed made An Interesting Comment Yesterday...

On "Meet The Press" she stated that the statues which are the focus of the protesting were not erected just after the Civil War. It would have been completely inappropriate and considered a traitorist act. They were erected during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s to send a message to African Americans. It was clearly meant to intimidate a segment of our population. I thought that this was an excellent point.

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Joy Reed made An Interesting Comment Yesterday... (Original Post) WiffenPoof Aug 2017 OP
Not entirely true - many of them were erected around the turn of the 20th Century The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #1
She's partly right... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #2
The "modern KKK" was fueled by the Leo Frank case obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #8
Well, Let's Just Say.... WiffenPoof Aug 2017 #3
They probably were, to some extent; but an awful lot of that The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #6
They all were. Its just that some were erected in 20s to intimidate and some in the 1960s. SweetieD Aug 2017 #9
An interesting interview about the context in Virginia. MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Aug 2017 #4
Thank You....NT WiffenPoof Aug 2017 #5
Don't...We all love Joy around here... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #10
A relevant topic and worth discussing. 35 erected in North Carolina alone since 2000... lostnfound Aug 2017 #11
She was incorrect obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #7

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,974 posts)
1. Not entirely true - many of them were erected around the turn of the 20th Century
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 01:18 PM
Aug 2017

by organizations like the Daughters of the Confederacy, during the heyday of the KKK. A few are disturbingly recent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_and_memorials_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

Wounded Bear

(58,772 posts)
2. She's partly right...
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 01:20 PM
Aug 2017

many of them were erected in the early 1900's, when there was a resurgent KKK movement, perhaps inflamed they the early film Birth of a Nation, which rather gratuitously glorified the Civil War from a Southern Perspective.

KKK, of course, dates from the 1860's growing right out of the War itself and propagated among mostly Confederate veterans. Mostly, it was relegated to the rural south in its early days.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,974 posts)
6. They probably were, to some extent; but an awful lot of that
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 02:17 PM
Aug 2017

was also going on in the earlier 20th Century. They were lynching people then.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
9. They all were. Its just that some were erected in 20s to intimidate and some in the 1960s.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 02:20 PM
Aug 2017

Same goal.

 

MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy

(58 posts)
4. An interesting interview about the context in Virginia.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 01:48 PM
Aug 2017
https://thebaffler.com/interviews-for-resistance/white-supremacy-charlottesville

About the statue, it notes:

The Stonewall Jackson statue, located in Justice Park (formerly Jackson Park), was funded by Paul Goodloe McIntire and unveiled to the City of Charlottesville in 1921, during a Confederate reunion. The Robert E. Lee Statue, located in Emancipation Park (formerly Lee Park) was presented to the city in 1924 during a two-day gathering of the Sons of the Confederacy, during which the city also saw considerable KKK agitation.


Earlier than suggested, but the origins are certainly interesting.

Wounded Bear

(58,772 posts)
10. Don't...We all love Joy around here...
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 02:38 PM
Aug 2017

but she's human. Her mistakes are not intentional, and hardly indicative of anything.

She's still great, and I'll bet that she'll put out a short apology for getting the date right. She was definitely right that those statues were not from Reconstruction, but were definitely erected as white supremacist icons.

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